I learned to enjoy labor for labors's sake late in life. I wish I had learned it earlier, I would have been way, way more successful. I never knew I was actually competent at anything but whoa, buddy, I am. Scarily component. I would be capitalism's best friend though I don't really care for capitalism's effect of society as a whole.

I have a feeling I'm missing your point, though.

>>25205740
Competent* my bad

>>25205740
Yeah, perhaps you are. Are you familiar with the theory of labor alienation?

Zizek is often a very loosey goosey guy. Let's think about this for a moment.
>What if, like Žižek said, duty to enjoy is the primary duty in capitalism because it legitimizes the system?
What is he even saying here. A duty to enjoy? Were is that? I have never seen anybody talk about this duty. Is he talking about the pursuit of happiness in The Decaration of Independence. Maybe he should've been more specific and clarified what he was talking about. Currently in the text I have no idea what kind of duty he is talking about. How can something be a duty if we naturally want to be happy? Is he implying that every duty that legitimizes the system is the primary duty in it? This implies the existence of secondary duties. Why doesn't he expound on the general duties of capitalism and show how they arise? ANSWER ME YOU SNIFFLING BASTARD WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT.

>>25205747
Does sniffing trigger your circumcision trauma?

>>25205754
Yes.

>>25205744
I am not. Something about what you posted just resonated with me. I'm answer enough to learn about it though.

>>25205771
Smart* enough. Well, I think I am smart enough, anyway.

>>25205755
Then to break it down, he takes "enjoy" specifically from the slogan "Enjoy Coca-Cola" and notes it is an imperative, also it's tangential with the favorite term in French philosophy, "jouissance" which is distinct from "plaisir". He also writes in the Sublime Object of Ideology on his research in therapy and finds that one of the biggest sources of guilt people have is enjoying when they shouldn't (almost always something like feeling happy about feigning illness to skip work), or NOT enjoying when they should with things like sex or festivities or gifts or even shopping.

And the very way clinical psychology is structured literally posits unhappiness as the criterion for illness. If a way of thinking makes someone unhappy then it can be regarded as a malady, whereas if it doesn't then it cannot be (unless it makes them harm others). So as Foucault noted, in filling the void of confession, psychotherapy needs its own harmartiology; that harmartiology is structured around unhappiness. Furthermore, ideology (ways of thinking that make the prole or pleb not identify his interests with those of his class) is closely linked with happiness, one might say happiness is the fuel of ideology, e.g. we have a cup of coffee in a coffee shop which we are impelled to enjoy, I think Starbucks even draws smilies and writes aspirational personal messages on their cups--they do this in bulk, by the way, not for each customer--so we feel very positive and happy about our consumption. As we consume our coffee we also consume ideology: we are not a pleb or a prole but a man enjoying his coffee in a coffeehouse with all the ideas associated with that image. These are actually jobs, or rather "duties", in capitalism. Capitalism does away with all duty in the traditional sense because they represented obligations to a different ruling class. The ruling class today, the capitalist class, has their own duties.

>>25205773
>>25205771
You can just google labor alienation, the AI summary gives a good overview. The crux is that economic production requires two things, labor and nature (nature here is a process like labor, not matter). Labor is never performed by an individual, it is a joint-effort that involves participation even from those who have been dead for a thousand years, from countless people. Humanity is extremely unique in that we are a superorganism, like termites or ants, and unlike other primates, but our complexity created a new emergent phenomenon: the individual, a being built from language and culture and society. But under capitalism, the individual is taken to proceed all else, and his labor is not regarded as a unified process of society and time and nature, but as a thing. Value itself is turned into a commodity which alienates his being from its source, like tearing a plant violently from its soil. He becomes a part-time robot, and because there is no such thing as a part-time man, his humanity is constantly harmed causing him mental anguish and a sense of nihilism and loneliness, and the only way he can ever feel at home is by adopting bourgeois cynicism which preaches he must never think in terms of a class and only in terms of his individualism

https://youtu.be/keXB9DuhaH0

Or he will have to adopt bourgeois pessimism which teaches that the misery inflicted on him is sad but just how existence inherently is and can't be helped
https://youtu.be/7XTbyb7kSrI

Commies fucking love to latch onto that one brief Camus quote as if smugly dismantling it out of context of the rest of the essay is a disproval of absurdism as a whole

>>25205800
Checked and thank you for the info. I'll be reading about this for the rest of the day, I'm sure. Maybe I'll have a more defined opinion by tonight. If the thread is still up, I'll swing by and discuss it with you. I have a milquetoast intellect but it's rapacious sometimes. I think so, anyway.

>>25205810
Camus sort of chose to latch on to the myth of literal hell as pure labor alienation, as his metaphor for existence. It is very unwise, even apart from the bourgeois individualism. Nevertheless the issue isn't Camus so much as the role Camus now plays in capitalism, which you dislike the examination of.

>>25205811
Intellect is two parts curiosity and one part mental effort, except for the noticably neurodivergent.

>>25205816
one of the main reasons why "one must imagine sisyphus happy" is because he himself rebelled against the gods, risking their punishment and cheating death for a chance to live life on his own terms. At least read the fucking essay if you're going to talk shit, it's like 100 pages.

>>25205819
True but I'm very neurodivergent. It's mostly helped me in life. I wish I had knew it sooner so I could have actually used it to my advantage. Not to Lord over other people but to get ahead, sure. I would be sitting pretty rn if I had just let myself shine. I was so afraid of seemingly like I would overshadow others and it bugged TF out of me. I don't think I'm better then anyone and I will never think that but I have individual traits that would have helped me immensely if I had just let them out. I honestly wish more anons would let that side of themselves poke out sometimes. It works serve them well. None of that fear is helping them. NONE.

>>25205826
Name of the essay? Excuse my ignorance.

>>25205836
Myth of Sisyphus. It's a beautiful essay about confronting and overcoming nihilism in a courageous and intellectually honest way. For some reason wikipedia Marxists like to misunderstand it on purpose just to seethe, believing it's about learning to love wage cucking like the ridiculous OP, when it's about nothing of the sort.

>>25205826
Yes, I know. He status of labor alienation is therefore posited as radical freedom. However I concur with Žižek in that a meaningful individual rebelion to absurdism would be Bartleby the Scrivener, not Sisyphus

>>25205832
Being neurodivergent is a handicap as often as it is a boon to intelligence, and tends to be mythologized for class purposes as a sort of capitalist equivalent to being descended from a god in antiquity, or being descended from William the Conqueror in British aristocracy or from the Mayflower etc. It is some sort of biological-yet-abstract barrier between classes. It has long been the butt of comedy in skits like, "He's crazy." "Oh no, he's loaded." "Ah, sorry, I didn't know, an eccentric millionaire."

>>25205734
slavoj, of all people, knows what it means to enjoy unhappiness

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Dog loves pulling the sled.
Critics of Aristotle in shambles.
Some love to serve, the most horrid thing you can do is convince such a nature that this selfless longing is unnatural to them. As if there was some universal-particular good of a size that fits all.

>>25205875
Dogs are not humans. Labor alienation rests on the individual, which is not an innate, instinctual biological phenomenon, but an emergent property of society requiring things like language and culture. Dogs have feelings and are capable of mental and physical grief but not of anguish caused by labor alienation.

The extremely obvious truth is, if humans loved doing work, enslaving them would never have been done historical.

Finally, I do not think you have read Aristotle. His idea of a natural slave is a hypothetical that might apply to some humans today but those who would qualify for it would be unemployable. I mean humans who can just use a few words and can't understand language better than dogs can.

>>25205875
aristotle, ever the model athenian, ignored the structural element completely. natures are servile because they are bred to be servile, natures are noble because they are bred to be noble. he who owns the means of production also owns the means of reproduction

>>25205841
Ah ty for the info. I'll get right to reading it if I didn't read it in my youth already. I've forgotten so much over the ensuing years. It might be like reading it all over again, hell idk.

>>25205747
Have you ever felt in a bad way at work or work-related gatherings and did not bother or manage to totally suppress your outwardly manifestations of your internal condition? You'd know what happens. The duty to enjoy is a very intuitive concept

>>25205851
Yeah. Honestly stopping giving a shit about what other people thought of my intellect really helped me. Either they will understand me or they won't. 99% don't but when that 1% does? It's kind of magical, not going to lie. I find myself most at home here on 4chan of all places. I can really let my vocabulary shine and I can bury most trolls in fallacy arguments. It never helps board or post quality but I do get them to stfu occasionally. It's a dirty job but sometimes got to do it. I'm not sensitive but a lot of posters here are, so I feel somewhat protective of them, as gay as that sounds. Idgaf how gay it sounds lol I'm just a protective person, period. I'm a father so it just came with the territory.

>>25205888
And humans are not monoliths. I'm daredevil who loves to walk on the precipice of life and death. While others drive 50 on 60 road.
It's intrinsically christcucked to have this levelled view of humanity. Blank slatism is just creation from nothing/dust with extra steps.

>>25205905
Might shock you that in a litter of bred pups there are still outliers that contradict the intent of the breeding, even if the average pup is like their parents.
This relates to male Bell curve reaching both ends of the extremes. Nature will force full expression across a nature. That is: no matter how many centuries of breeding and nurture there will be slaves. There will always be the weakest, even if you levels all humans to be within an inch of each other in height, those on the lower end of that inch will sit on the other side of a chasm of intuited difference and inferiority.
The future child will bully their peers for differences we today couldn't even perceive, like pros in sports still bow to their elite, though for everyone else both are demigods.
Hierarchy is inevitable. We love it.

>>25205936
Dogs will never be fungible with humans, you sound like Polonius blithering

>>25205937
Fungible with humans? What?

>>25205945
You are suggesting if something can be proven to apply to dogs, it follows it applies to humans. By this logic you should be content and perky eating dogfood your whole life.

>>25205962
Nta but I follow what you're saying. I just thought fungible meant replaceable.

>>25205966
Fungibility is an economic concept crucial to capitalism. On the ine hand, every individual in liberalism is posited as sovereign and unique but also fungible and interchangable. The first is the justification of labor alienation, the second is the process. Capitalists themselves are not fungible, only labor.

Here a capitalist argument was used by examining the way dogs are, and saying it supports capitalism by subtly substituting dog's nature for the individual's nature. But the whole point of the individual as an emergent property in the superorganism of humanity, is that he ISN'T fungible, his consciousness of his individuality and identity have the social function of being able to think unique thoughts and be in unique ways which is what gives society limitless potential. But labor alienation makes him something fungible, and this tension with his being qua individual, makes him feel as if there is friction between his own existence and existence itself

>>25205996
That's quite the conundrum. Any way around it or are we just stuck being this way? I want to believe the fomer is true (that there is a way around it) but I'm not will versed in this enough to know for sure.

>>25206016
Well personally I gamble for a living. It makes me a part of the capitalist class but I don't want to be a wage slave. I just have to be like Indians and show humility and thanks to my prey for supporting me

As a society, the only way out of it is through the abolition of the distinction of class between owners (and their representatives, upper managers) and labor.

>>25206067
Gamble like with crypto or actual gambling games? Curious how viable that is. I'm fucked on the money front.

>>25205914
I'm autistic

>>25206168
If you know you're different why do you put emphasis in your own lived experience to criticize social commentary? That's stupid

>>25206150
I play poker I am study quantstive analysis to be able to create proprietary programs to sell to finance comapanies as well

Poker is viable if you have a very strong work ethic to study it, and the capital. Around 6k if you have a job to support yourself with as well, or 6k plus enough for you to live on for a year if you have no other job. You have to study the math a lot and look at your hourly makings annually rather than session by session, because you can go for weeks or more just losing money or hardly making anything and that must be taken into account with months you do very well. If you are making a profit of even eight bucks an hour within the first year, you can consider yourself an outstanding player. If you want to make more than that, it's a lifestyle

>>25206327
Hm. I'm pretty damn good at Texas hold em but I never thought I could make anything off of it

>>25206312
You're super wrong

You don't need commie word salad to know Camus was a retard who didn't understand the message of Greek Myths.

>>25206579
You can make a living out of any popular game if you are in the very best margin, but the difference between a very good poker player and a professional is as wide as the margin between a very good basketball or chess player and someone who makes money playing basketball or chess. With similar amounts of practice involved

>>25206622
I know you prefer weiner but there was no salad there

>>25206650
Huh. The games I play have nebulous endings at best. I doubt I'll ever make more than 20 bucks with them.

>>25205754
Odd I saw this post, NTA but I have autism and that sound bothers me to all hell.

>>25205996
>individuality and identity have the social function of being able to think unique thoughts and be in unique ways which is what gives society limitless potential.
Only someone who's never interacted with the average person (or most of the world) could ever delusionally believe this.
Tabula Rasa is a greater fantasy than the belief in fairies and trolls.

>>25207223
This has zero to do with tabula rasa, which is a liberal doctrine used to predicate the fungibility of humanity. This has to do Hegel's ideas which Marx built on: the individual is a dialectical creation. You would not even exist as an identity without the language society made you in

>>25205734
I find most general complaints about capitalism are trivially applied to other socioeconomic systems.

I'm not really sure why the majority of (young) communists seem to think communism means they get to work 6 hours a week doing art therapy
someone still has to work in the nail factory and clean up the bodily fluids of the elderly and feed the animals at 3am

>>25205734
at some point you gotta accept your life and make the best of it

>you must
this nigga is SPOOKED
do what you want

>>25207334
This is a meaningless statement since to find something is a certain way to say decrees x to be the case through fiat. E.g. a court can unilaterally decree someone is doing something even without them being present or charging them with it, by saying, "The court finds x has done y." This does not require the court to find x guilty of y, which is a seperate procedure

>>25207338
I'm not sure why capitalist keep insisting on imposing the capitalist distinction between creativity and labor, onto communism. Snall children do no distinguish between play and work, they will always be excited to help with chores. This is because they have not yet been subject to labor alienation, which us what distinguishes work and play. Once we are introduced to that, work triggers angst, because we dread the alienation it involves. I had a friend who told me ger first thought on waking up for a workday wasn't food or drink or anything but "please kill me." That isn't just "work" that causes that, it's labor alienation

>>25207348
Whence your wants?

>>25207358
or maybe there are neurological differences between infants and adults you stupid faggot

>>25207391
I am not talking about infants, I said small children, toddlers. And children often grow to hate work long before adulthood. This isn't because of some sudden neurological change that tells them labor is negative. That is why they take to sports despite it actually requiring enormous labor.

>>25207404
Sorry my bad yeah you're right toddlers and adults are neurologically the same

communism is when I'm a baby :)

>>25207415 What age and what development are you referring to? You are actually referring to some real neurological change that makes humans suddenly adverse to productive work and distinguish it from play? Or are you playing a game of your own?

>>25207434
Do you still find jingling keys intellectually stimulating?

>>25207421
This. Say what you want about Camus, he pretty much solved the problem of life for 99% of the population, the remaining 1% being mentally ill pseuds.

>>25207448
>he pretty much solved the problem of life for 99% of the population
no he didn't, subhuman camus tranny

>>25207441
I find classical music intellectually stimulating. But aversion to physical labor has nothing to do with that, plenty of men who hate work find great joy in repetitive motions at the gym. You haven't even hit on WHY children like work, and it isn't intellectual stimulation: it is participation with others.

>>25207468
Do you think children would like cleaning blood off the floor of an abattoir for 8 hours?
You are deluded about what work is

>>25205734
>duty to enjoy is the primary duty in capitalism
Capitalism allows you to protest and complain all day. The bourgeoisie has been funding professional complainers like Zizek since the 60s. One can argue that capitalism is more succesful than other systems because it allows the masses to throw a fit.

>>25207473
>Capitalism allows you to protest and complain all day.
you think people didn't protest and complain before capitalism? you think philosophers didn't critique the system they lived under before capitalism?

this is bordering on "capitalism invented money" levels of retardation

>>25207472
Don't you patronize me, cocksucker. I have actually slaughtered live animals and cleaned up. Not for wages, just to cook with preparing for a wedding. It isn't bleak at all compared to actually doing it for a living, and the whole process is a lot longer than eight hours, including flaying the animals which is the most laborious part. And it was a beautiful experience doing it with friends for a beautiful occassion.

A child wouldn't like doing ANYTHING for eight hours, but sure, ues, hosing down blood from slaughtered animals is something they love when they see adults doing it.

>>25207473
Capitalism does inherently permit freedom of assembly, strikers were fired on for a long time. The bourgeoisie has been funding death squads to kill organized labor in south america since the 70's

>>25207489
>Slaughtering an animal for a wedding
>Working in an abattoir
These are 2 separate things

>>25207498
The main difference is one involves labor alienation. Even if I did a hundred hours of that work, it would grate on me less than one day working in a slaughterhouse with labor alienation

>>25207501
They are fundamentally different tasks that achieve different outcomes
'Labour alienation' is a completely arbitrary concept with no empirical basis at all, it is purely theoretical and it's theoretical basis is shaky at best

>>25207517
Labor alienation is an economic reality which is caused when value itself is treated as an alienated commodity, which is fundamentally incoherent and requires us to see ourselves as things

>>25207520
>economic reality
Prove it

>>25207557
what aspect of it do you want proof of? or is this just one of those low effort trolls to derail a discussion with semantics?

>Alienation has profound political and moral dimensions. Capitalist property relations negate human freedom. For Marx, this negation is rooted in the principle that a person's labour properly belongs to themselves; its expropriation by another is the basis of exploitation and the loss of freedom.[78] Politically, the modern state is an "illusory community", an "abstracted social power" that stands over and against atomised individuals.[79] While formally guaranteeing "equal rights" for all citizens, the state serves to protect private property and thus sanctions a lack of freedom in real terms.[80] Human activity within this framework becomes "forced labour" under the yoke of another.[81] Morally, alienation overturns human values. The system subordinates "being" to "having"; the "sense of having" replaces the full range of human senses.[82] Money becomes the "universal galvano-chemical power of Society", the ultimate mediator that "transforms fidelity into infidelity, love into hate, hate into love, virtue into vice".[83] The supersession of alienation, therefore, requires a radical political project: the "emancipation of the workers" which coincides with "universal human emancipation".[81]

do you disagree with this basic premise that capitalist labor as a system requires economic coercion? do you disagree that this coercion supercedes all other forms of social organization? do you disagree that laborers who see no personal benefit from their labor except "money" are simply prostituting themselves, and just like a prostitute will inevitably end up disillusioned by the coercive system rather than the labor itself? or do you believe that a prostitute's dislike of selling sex isn't intrinsically linked to the act of selling labor? what's the issue that confuses you exactly?

>>25207520
We are things howeverbeit

>>25207629
This is just "money is evil man" hippie nonsense
My point is that 'economic coercion' is a loaded term and by definition exists in communism too, you have to work for a society to function and work means menial repetitive and physically demanding tasks. What personal benefit does a cobalt miner see from his labour under communistic that he doesn't from capitalism?
>Well because he's part of some gay coop the work will be fun!
This is what labour alienation boils down to and again there is no evidence at all to support this

>>25207658
>This is just "money is evil man" hippie nonsense
your unwillingness to engage with the material is not an argument.

>What personal benefit does a cobalt miner see from his labour under communistic that he doesn't from capitalism?
he owns his own labor

>This is what labour alienation boils down to and again there is no evidence at all to support this
Marx's theory of labor alienation is not solved simply by ending Capitalism. Socialism and early stages of Communism have labor exploitation too. But as workers develop more agency and power over their labor, they become empowered and gain a sense of self and pride in their work.
It's literally just comparing a guy who is self-employed(in the actual sense and not the corporate "contractor" loophole) vs a guy who works for someone else whom he has no connection to. Would you rather run your own burger shop or work for McDonalds? Would you rather run a burger shop with your friends or work with a bunch of strangers whose only connection to you is having the same employer? Would you rather have a job where your work directly benefits you or a job where your work is only rewarded with a "good job" while Shekelstein reaps the profits? If you're not being disingenuous it's pretty fucking obvious why laborers are miserable under Capitalist labor organization, and it's not because working is inherently miserable.

>>25207671
>But as workers develop more agency and power over their labor, they become empowered and gain a sense of self and pride in their work.
Again this is a massive assumption with no actual evidence to support it
>Would you rather run your own burger shop or work for McDonalds?
Both of these are possible under capitalism
>it's not because working is inherently miserable.
Unless you're a literal retard or a child (I know you deny the neurological differences between children and adults), a lot of work is just shit and boring to do

I'm not even arguing against communism, I'm saying dumb young communists like you believe communism means you won't have to do real work anymore

>>25207557
>>25207633

OP here: I will respond in about an hour. Please add any other question if you like until then

>>25208000
Have you told your parents that you're gay?

>>25205734
read fucking marx
if the capitalist bourgeoisie cannot provide more than subservience and starvation then they are not fit to be in charge. yes, pretending starvation makes you happy is the aim of the capitalist system as it corrupts everything.

you dont really seems to have any question.

>>25205747
lol bro. ever just wanna stay home or go for a walk in tha park but you cant cuz wage slavery?

its not that hard.

read the communist manifesto. its a challenge from a literary pov, but its short and might help clarify things.

>>25208031
>communism won't be meet the new boss same as the old boss
What a grand and intoxicating innocence.

>>25208031
no way, tranny. i am magawoo: always. We are a brotherhood, littermates

>>25208081
>hasnt read the manifesto

>>25208115
when the revolution comes, you wont be put against the wall cuz 'magawoo' is pretty funnny

the rest of maga will be on their knees, as is required by justice.

Alright

>>25207557
Under the current scheme of the basis of value, it is said to derive from an individual (remember, liberalism premises everything on the individual, including its law in the incoherent social compact). But if this were the case, liquidity couldn't possibly exist. We depend on collectivist appraisal of value. But what is value? When society, prior to money or any other considerations, values x above z, what does that mean?

It means x demands more from society to come into existence. But I am not talking about individual's labor, I am talking about the average labor society takes to produce something. Marx is extremely particular to emphasize that the ltv has zero to do with individual labor, it is social average labor. Society does not value based on how hard it is for bob or joe to create something, but based on socially average labor. So value at its core is appraisal of labor. In order to lubricate exchange, we have standardized units of value called money. This is where labor alienation under capitalism begins: labor, value itself, is purchased by money. Value itself is treated as a commodity. Adam Smith showed that even when gold is used as currency, more gold currency doesn't make a country wealthier, is just decreases the worth of gold, be ause gold's value is in how much labor a society requires to obtain it, and when a goldmine puts out thrice its expectation, it just makes the socially required labor less

This forces man into opposition with his labor, which is NOT a commodity, it is his identity and being, or, to use a poetic term, soul. He must labor under the implicit understanding that his being is not his, that what he does with it is someone else's property. This is not about his being qua individual either because labor is a very social activity, even when you are working alone just like if you are reading alone you are relying on society's language and means of communication. This cuts away his sense of participation in society, because that participation is no longer a property of his being

>>25207633
By thing I mean lacking subjectivity. A pure machine

>>25208134
One day those bankers and industrialists and merchants and their cops and soldiers will rise up and take the power back from the corrupt laboring class

>>25207489
>south america
Idc what happens in the third world. The revolution is going to happen in the West.

I always feel bad for people who really believe that their preferred meme ideology/political system is going to finally dethrone the elites who specialize in subverting every such system to their ends and make everything copacetic. Never once in human history has this been the case but they just can't let go of the dream.

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The thing I don't understand is why do chuds oppose Communism so much when they aren't even bourgeois? if you really think the system will be no different from Capitalism, then what do you have to lose? You're just some poor incel faggot that slaves away for Shekelstein for a below-subsistence wage. Might as well abolish the present state of things if your life is gonna be this miserable forever under Capitalism.

>>25208175
we all read animal farm in high school buddy

>>25208175
they can't like capitalism because the people they don't like do like it

>>25208182
Orwell was a faggot snitch who helped British intelligence services infiltrate British labor groups.

>>25208171
The elites subverted communism, it's called the New Left, yes

I have to ask, do you honestly believe that throughout history the ruling class has never had to eat shit? And that upheavals and changes of systems don't happen? Is this the usual dishonest argument that industrial capitalism is the eternal reflection of eternal human nature that must always and forever be, and wanting or fathoming something else must never, ever be done?

>>25208175
>then what do you have to lose?
Your life? What a stupid question.

Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes

>>25208193
How is Communism a threat to your life exactly? Are you bourgeois?

>>25208199
NTA but my family is, yes. Textbook.

>>25208204
well I can understand why the bourgeois would oppose Communism, just like a slaveowner would oppose abolitionism. this question doesn't apply to you.

>>25208190
Based.

>>25208199
Tfw sparrows are tools of the bourgeoisie

>>25208211
This is more opposing resentful people wanting to kill me and take my shit.

>>25208219
>my shit.
what makes it yours? did you build it?

>>25208211
You sound like a Soros shill.

>>25208223
Soros is literally an enemy of Communism you illiterate kike.

>>25208222
Kamala will never be president lil troon buddy

>>25208224
Nice deflection. Globalism is the same no matter what shade

>>25208222
>just let us kill you and take your shit
Nah.

>>25208134
>on their knees
Kind of like your mom when food is scarce in the house?

>>25208219
see: no one has read the fucking manifesto.
its like a century of shit talking marx out of fear
fear of what?
the people
what democracy fears the people?
a fake one. hello USA.
here we are
marx is pro- people, pro-democracy, anti-taking your shit - he goes out of his way to discuss this.
read the fucking manifesto
but its a bit literary, so maybe dont
fuck you

>>25208259
no, she stands and uses a vacuum
you poor sad son of a bitch

>>25206619
Oh yeah? You're even wronger than I

>>25208271
>if you ain't read the heckin manifesterino then FUCK YOU
You sure this is good for Le cause, redditor comrade? You seem a bit emotional, like a woman

>>25205734
>and if one does not?
Then be unhappy I guess. This might come as a shock to you, but most people want to be happy

>>25208483
youi seem a bit dickless, like a magat.

READ THE MANIFESTO