Islington edition unironicallyPrevious >>25200011Here we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy. The recommendations are deprecated, but we don't have anything newer.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25207054I am going to find Bakkerfag and beat his physical vessel until he can never operate a keyboard, electronic or computational, ever again.:)
>>25206311it gave me a 6 outta 10. hah!but to be fair, i already went through many revisions
>>25207102oh wait it gave me a 8 outta 10 once i gave fed the whole plot, not just excerpts. yay.
>>25207088Godspeed, Anon. Godspeed.
IslinGOD....
>>25207102>>25207129I love AI gaslighting
>>25207054I just finished the finished the first foundation book (audiobook), I like the idea of science as someone telling me how a future might look, but I am not really interested in science itself to be honest and Im not that much scientifically literate. But I found it wasn't as intimidating as I thought it would be, and it didn't really feel as "sciency" as I expected, I thought I would need to understand physics concepts but no, it was much more similar to fantasy than expected.I enjoyed it.
>>25207142*I like the idea of science fiction
>>25207129>>25207140How come we're all Nabokov-level writes but can't get published?
>>25207140Now do it with grok and the blunt prompt from the previous thread. May be a reality check
>>25207054Is LOGH /lit/ or /a/? it had an anime adaption but it started out as books
>>25207146Getting high ratings for plot summaries isn’t that difficult, even with Grok or “be harsh” prompts. The prose and execution in detail is where good story ideas go to die.
>>25207054what are sff books with cute older women?and who is the cutest sff author?
>>25207146we dont'. AI analyzes your writing against everything it can "read". Nakobov is only 1 book out of 10 billion books. It's the outlier. While your book may be half way decent, compared to a bunch of fanfiction, blog posts, shit posts, reddit posts, web novels etc, your prose and books may be elevated much higher than normal. Even though it's very bad compared to even mediocre writers
>>25207156I fed it my whole short. The "goblin pits" one. Grok gave it an 8/10.
is the 'red rising' trilogy worth it?my local book club is doing it so I wonder
>>25207172More like REDDIT rising.
>>25207158Quit reading with your dick.
>>25207088BIG if TRUE
>Sauron>Sauron's manReally?
>>25207211Get over it, bitch.
>>25207214Shut the fuck up, newfag.
>>25207221You're the one BITCHING AND MOANING about fucking JRR TOLKIEN you tryhard lil' zoomie alphoid BITCH.You do NOT fit in.
>Errrmmm... Tolkien? That's a YIKES from ME big buggy bearModern trend started by contrarian redditor faggots.
>>25207172Yes absolutely, the second book is when the series really starts to shine through. Personally my favorite book is in the sequel series (4-7 whenever it comes out), Brown writing skills go improve quite a bit between 3 and 4.
>>25207224You sound upset.
>>25207151why not both
I wish there were western yuri novelsI tried reading some western girls love, like Lyremouth Chronicles, and it was pretty good but the whole "everyone is bi and only backward barbarians are straight and it's a little weird to have a preference rather than be bi" was kinda.....gayWestern authors have this defensive faggot mentality and chip on their shoulder and make it into a political screed or social commentary instead of just a cute romantic adventure story with swords and sorcery.
>>25207211Tolkien is for children so he kept it simple.
>>25207290>cute romantic adventure story with swords and sorcery.As far as I know that doesn't really exist in Japan either for yuri.
>>25207296It's not unheard of.
I am once again asking for recommendations for books similar to The Reverie by Peter Fehervari. Doesn't have to be another 40K novel; in fact, I would prefer if it is not.
>>25207054>generic normalfag FOTY image
>>25207295dayummm...
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h6m9sHoly fucking shit is this the most cringe writing ever? I spoonfed the timestamp for the types who complain about that, you dont need to listen that long. Anyway I don't even think Hunger Games or Later Harry Potter ever got this cringe, astonishingly.
While I agree that the series isn’t good, watching a goddamn 7 hour review when you haven’t even read the books yourself is just as bad
Well you're all wrong because Red Rising is great
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h40m8s"He is fast, I am faster" any writing experts have any idea why I hate this sort of combat dialogue so much? Why my eyes glaze over despite listening to the dialogue not reading? Theres got to be a writing concept that encapsulates why this just feels like nothing. This is all the combat dialogue (that he actually quotes so far)
Uh-oh, Bakkertranny has changed tactics back to spamming about Reddit Rising
>>25207428And not just that, but has a homosexual attraction to Daniel Green on top of it! Oh the humanity!
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=1h52m52sThis reeks of that convenient deus ex machina bullshit you often find in shonen anime and classic YA. So boring, whats more disappointing is that this summary even with direct quotes didn't elicit any surprise that it would be anything other than YA level slop writing
>>25207054So janitory won't let me beOr let me be me, so let me seeThey tried to shut me down on SFFGBut it feels so zesty without meSo come on cracker, Bakker on your lipsFuck that, Malazan on your lips and some on your zitsAnd get robotic, 'cause this shit's about to get AsimovianI just reset my wifi router (Fuck you, JANNY)
>>25207457You can't rhyme for SHIT
>>25207461keeeeeeek!
Saw a cisgender, heterosexual male complain about the sexualization in The Dresden Files.How do I respond while sounding as mad as possible?
>>25207483Is that Mike Mignola art in the top left corner?
FUCK the Culture series is good
eeeermm jade legacy thoughts?
>>25207483Why does a series like the Dresden Files, clearly for the cisgender heterosexual white maleHave such generic highschool library slop looking book covers?
>>25207483
>>25207510I find myself at a loss for words
>>25207510Give a quick rundown on this image. I'm seeing it everywhere lately. New zoomiealphoidian maymay?
>>25207483>complain about the sexualization in The Dresden Files.there really isn't, the books are written from the POV of Harry and every time a new character appears he will give them a quick look and comment about how they are dressed the same way you do in real life, he does it with male and female characters, in one book he thinks that a male character has beautiful eyes and people aren't going around saying harry is a faggot so i really don't understand the complaints.
>>25207529It’s what the average 4chinz user looks like
>>25207546Big if true
>>25207529>moderator for some twitch streamer>she doesn't stream for 5 days>he goes to her house, demanding entry>plot twist: it's not her house, the people living there have no idea who he is or why he's trying to gain entry>he believes the streamer girl is being molested by her father and held prisoner against her will>seeks to rescue her with force>the people living at that address continue to have no idea what is happening
>>25207529https://youtu.be/TM2kkxzL0G8?si=XVnFyZ8s9XlTI4fhSome schizo guy thought he was Harry Dresden from the Dresden Files and wanted to get Victor
>>25207529me when i'm reading bakker and it's a gayrape chapter
>Sandals with socks>Trenchcoat >Anime shirt>Literal chud faceThis has GOT to be some kind of publicity stunt, surely.
>>25207569No, he just got done with like 5 felonies
>>25207483my issue is that Dresden is Jim Butcher's self insert power fantasy, and every single woman is described as beautiful and they all want to fuck him, and then he 's constantly getting cockteased by his best friend's daughter that he's known since she was a baby.Jim Butcher is a terrible writer who stumbled into great worldbuilding (Chicago but without black people)
>>25207595>and then he 's constantly getting cockteased by his best friend's daughter that he's known since she was a baby.You say that like it's supposed to be a bad thing.
>>25207211His NAME was SHARKEY
Hello po/lit/icians, please recommend me a fantasy or sci fi book to read. Ideally something fun and not super dense. Bonus points if it's not overly reddit like weir or sanderson tend to be.
>>25207627I am once again imploring you to consider Walter Moers
>>25207627Ringworld
>>25207628Interesting, thank you. >>25207631I tried it years ago and couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again.
>>25207648Ringworld Engineers is the best book in the series to be honest.
>>25207054did anyone here like the second book?
What are some non-Western fantasy books worth trying out? Non JRPG, please.
>>25207828Reverend Insanity
Any philosophical SF/F? Hard mode: no Bakker
>>25207628>>25207627Seconded. Walter Moers is amazing. I’d also suggest very early fairy tales like The Princess and the Goblin. Tailchaser’s Song is also a good standalone from Tad Williams that is highly entertaining.
>>25207158>>25207627See >>25207483
>>25207147>bro stop using the ai that says your stuff is great>use another one and instruct it to say your stuff is shitI’m beginning to lose my sanity with how people treat these fucking things. It’s a glorified toaster, why are you telling it to do aesthetic judgements at all? >My car told me I was a great person and the best driver today. My toothbrush has never seen cleaner teeth! My toaster thinks my bread preference is the best!What kind of NPC behaviour is this?
>>25207832Is that the one weird chinese fetish story about a guy who turns dudes into women so he can lust over them without feeling gay?
>>25207483It’s a noir detective meets Buffy the Vampire slayer schlock. The “dame came in wearing a low cut dress” part is aping noir conventions.
I'm currently writing a series of fantasy novels, but each novel is a standalone story with different characters in a shared world.Basically an anthology, how fucked am I?
>>25207996This sounds like my japanese hentai hentai.
>>25208005A hentai where the MC fucks personified hentai dvd's.
I watched The Hustler last night, starring Paul Newman. I noticed that my favorite William Gibson short story (Dogfight) is a ripoff of it, with a holographic arcade game standing in for pool.
>>25207991When Socrates said "the unexamined life is not worth living", he was talking about people like this.
>>25207991The fuck does a pile of bfloat32 matrices have to do with a toaster>>25207896BotNS, blindsight/echopraxia (mild infohazard IMO but good)
Which author made the best magic system and why is it not Brandon Sanderson, but Steven Erikson’s Warrens?
>>25208094I really hate the magic system trope, it's just steampunk-scifi. The point of magic in fantasy is that it can't be fully systematized or understood the way that physical laws can be.
>>25208094I’ve read the entire series, and I still don’t understand how the magic system works. It really feels like erikson doesn’t care much about it either which is fine. All I can remember is that there are ancient warrens, young ones, and even younger warrens created by Icarium. That’s pretty much it
>>25208003That was a really popular format for paranormal romance back in the day Just make all your MCs tomboys who get tamed by gigachad
>>25207627A very fun trilogy that is on the shorter end.
>>25208003Like the other anon said, it's non uncommon in the UF genre. Kelley Armstrong's Otherwold books come to mind.
Serious note: does Bakker suffer from depression? His entire series seems to be tinged with sadism and nihilism, in a similar way to Dostoevsky, and I think it speaks of a successful sort of pessimism, like realising that hoping for better things is a suicidal trap. Bakker is seen as a philosophy bro, but I think he takes the question of suffering seriously more than other people. He thinks about the interiority of it.
>>25208317Yes, he suffers from depression due to his unfulfilled homolust.In my experience with depression, I tend toward that sort of nihilistic materialism even though I know the arguments against it. Depression's a bitch.
>>25208160Because it is a soft magic (btw I hate Sanderson for making this magic terminology shit popular). Anyway, the only "hard system" thing about it is that Warrens have certain aspects/flavors, that's it. There are no 'rules', conditions, restrictions, limitations (except for outside influences, like otataral) etc.
>>25207627David Gemmell. Pulpy fantasy with good action, solid characters, and engaging but succinct worldbuilding.
>>25208094I don't really like either of them, for opposite reasons. Sanderson's systems feel inherently contradictory. He tries to set them up as a fundamental force in his settings, like something natural, but all his power systems are extremely rigid, precise, and numerically symmetrical in a way that feels obviously fake, artificial, and arbitrary. The weird thing is how nobody in any of his settings ever comments on this incongruity. Why does this supposedly natural phenomenon adhere to a perfect square number grid of arbitrarily delineated forces and powers with extremely specific rules for using them that only apply to human beings?Well cause they were all made by Shards, as it turns out, which isn't a satisfying explanation at all. Why did the shards make their power systems so needlessly convoluted and yet also extremely limited? Why make power systems at all? Maybe he'll answer these questions some day, but I doubt the answer will be satisfying because I'm pretty sure the meta-textual answer is that he did it because it seemed cool to him and worked backward from there. But it just feels tacky to me. As for Erikson, one gets the sense that he invented the Warrens, Holds, etc as he went. The rules for them change, or more accurately, are expanded upon, as the Malazan Book of the Fallen continues. He never explains how they work at the outset which allows him to gradually elaborate on different aspects of how magic works as needed, but usually without a great deal of exposition and without establishing any real rules or limits. I've read the entire 10 book series of Book of the Fallen and have a lot of knowledge about the Holds, the Warrens and Elder Warrens, their connection to K'rul, and the cosmology of Malazan's world, but I couldn't neatly summarize how it all works because I'm not sure Erikson knows how it works. He throws just enough out there that you get a SENSE that there's some larger cosmic order, but if you actually try to piece it together it feels like putting together a jigsaw puzzle where most of the pieces have had their notches trimmed off. Sure it "fits" but only with a lot of assumptions and hand waving.It's not even that Erikson doesn't give you enough to go on, he gives you plenty, he fucking buries you in arcane lore, it's just not coherent. Parts of it fit together, but if anybody out there has a "grand unified theory of magic" for Malazan it's probably at least half fan fiction.
>>25208362> Why make power systems at allAs a learning tool for cognitive behavioural therapy
>>25208345There's a sense that there are rules though. There's lots of shamans, witchdoctors, priests, etc that have rituals and rites and such to invoke power. We see it several times. How these rituals work or why they exist at all is naturally never explained. You get the sense that a lot of it is just tribal superstitions attached to power, but then you have stuff like the Ritual of Telan which again is never explained, but is obviously not just tribal superstition but something incredibly powerful which endures hundreds of thousands of years, somehow, according to rules which are never stated.
