Was Bloom right when he said Hamlet is the ultimate protagonist and every work, past present and future is derivative of Hamlet?
>>25207526That was Stephen you fucking retard, Bloom only wanted to fuck the actress playing Hamlet. And did you get shit mixed up? All I remember was Stephen saying how Shakespeare self-inserted as the ghost of Hamlet's father.
>>25207534Cry bitch
>>25207534B-bait?
>>25207555 —The play begins. A player comes on under the shadow, made up in the castoff mail of a court buck, a wellset man with a bass voice. It is the ghost, the king, a king and no king, and the player is Shakespeare who has studied Hamlet all the years of his life which were not vanity in order to play the part of the spectre. He speaks the words to Burbage, the young player who stands before him beyond the rack of cerecloth, calling him by a name:Hamlet, I am thy father’s spirit,bidding him list. To a son he speaks, the son of his soul, the prince, young Hamlet and to the son of his body, Hamnet Shakespeare, who has died in Stratford that his namesake may live for ever.Is it possible that that player Shakespeare, a ghost by absence, and in the vesture of buried Denmark, a ghost by death, speaking his own words to his own son’s name (had Hamnet Shakespeare lived he would have been prince Hamlet’s twin), is it possible, I want to know, or probable that he did not draw or foresee the logical conclusion of those premises: you are the dispossessed son: I am the murdered father: your mother is the guilty queen, Ann Shakespeare, born Hathaway?
people love creating traps for themselves. they love any excuse to become immobilised and stop thinking, to reduce everything back to their one master-key idea - i suppose out of laziness and lack of imagination. anyone into gnosticism and mysticism seems particularly prone to this feebleness.
>>25207547He thought you meant Leopold Bloom. Actually I think he was just trolling.
>>25207572Yes, I’ve read Scylla and Charybdis. It’s a brilliant chapter though I probably should have read Hamlet beforehand. But I don’t believe OP is talking about Leopold, but Harold.
>>25207555anime poster in the pynchon threads who always tries to derail them, he also posts those gaddis and pynchon hate threads
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>>25207609Oh, yeah he’s becoming somewhat of a thorn in my side. He only seems to have knowledge of Ulysses, and not very much of it.
>>25207573Spot on
>>25207534>>25207555>>25207575Last time I mentioned Bloom (Harold) in a thread this guy did the exact same thing, started prattling on about Ulysses, its a troll.
No. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
>>25207526Bloom has some sensible opinions, some silly opinions, and some sensible opinions pushed too far. This is an example of the last, I would say.Hamlet is an interesting character because he's very specific but also very universal. Most people when they read the play identify strongly with him. Not so much "he's literally me!" but more "yes, I understand him".For what it's worth, here's my idea of how / why this works:Hamlet is obsessively aware of the difference between his inner self and the exterior world. He resents having to deal with the latter, because he has very limited control over it, compared with his control over his own consciousness (although he doesn't have as much control over his own consciousness as he imagines).Everyone is aware of this basic "me / not-me" conflict. It's something we all have in common with Hamlet. He just worries about it more than most of us.
>>25207706He is kinda literally sorta a little bit me though, I have obsessive thoughts too that plague me though I’m not faced with his dilemmas,
>>25207706>sensible opinions pushed too farThis. He’s so confident in this opinion it makes him look pretty insular and a bit immature. He’s right in the sense that Hamlet is probably the greatest literary character, but to make the bold claim he did is like saying you haven’t actually read that much at all, which I think we can judge that Bloom did.
