That it is common to conflate his ideas with:1) that of existential nihilism retards like sartre & camus.2) might makes right aristocratic bronze age fascism like mishima & BAP.It's hard for the no-reads to understand he's really just a guy who's obsessed with culture. And morality for some reason. To read him if you're not really into western high culture would be like watching anthony fantano without having listened to the /mu/core albums.I hope this helps some tards to stop basing their opinions about thinkers on poor pop culture caricatures.Peace.
>>25212650It's continental, you're not supposed to take it seriously. Treat him like you're watching a TV show and move on. Don't get yourself entangled with these silly language games of continentals.
>>25212654This. After reading crap like Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, some pheno-somethings, Kant, they were all playing language games. Absolutely 0 concrete knowledge flows from any of their works. Nietzsche is doing either witty aphorisms or pop-psychology bullshit. Absolutely embarassing to read him after you're 15.Hobbes, Hume, the Vienna circle, that shit is gooood.
Only philosophy that's based is Daoist philosophy
>>25212650>he's really just a guy who's obsessed with culture. And morality for some reason.and logic / cognitive science / epistemology
>>25212671Thoughts on Heidegger?
>>25212650How do you define the philosophy of a guy who thought all definitions were retarded and degenerate? Not that easy.
>>25212991proto-postpositivism + eliminativism
>>25212998That's retarded.
>>25212671115 IQ momentHume is good though. Don't mention him in the same breath as Thomas "I jack off to triangles" Hobbes ever again.
>>2521299875 IQ moment
>>25212650The best advice I've read about Nietzsche is just enjoying his writing/poetry without trying to pull out a belief system from him
>>25212693Technically thats more religion.
>>25213687The best advice I can give you about Nietzsche is to read Dostoyevsky instead
>>25213704You might do that anyway since Dosto is one of the few people who Nietzsche says something nice about
>>25212671at this point I can’t tell what’s bait, what’s retards parroting the opinion of bait posts that went over their head, and what’s bots imitating those retards in ever-tightening feedback loops. either way kys
Chesterton destroyed this idiot regularly
>>25213737Embarrassing post.
>>25213687>just enjoying his writing/poetry without trying to pull out a belief system from him"To 'give style' to one's character - a great and rare art! It is practised by those who survey all the strengths and weaknesses that their nature has to offer and then fit them into an artistic plan until each appears as art and reason and even weaknesses delight the eye. Here a great mass of second nature has been added; there a piece of first nature removed - both times through lang practice and daily work at it. Here the ugly that could not be removed is concealed; there it is reinterpreted into sublimity. Much that is vague and resisted shaping has been saved and employed for distant views - it is supposed to beckon towards the remote and immense. In the end, when the work is complete, it becomes clear how it was the force of a single taste that ruled and shaped everything great and small - whether the taste was good or bad means less than one may think; it's enough that it was one taste! It will be the strong and domineering natures who experience their most exquisite pleasure under such coercion, in being bound by but also perfected under their own law; the passion of their tremendous will becomes less intense in the face of all stylized nature, all conquered and serving nature; even when they have palaces to build and gardens to design, they resist giving nature free rein.Conversely, it is the weak characters with no power over themselves who *hate* the constraint of style: they feel that if this bitterly evil compulsion were to be imposed on them, they would have to become *commonplace* under it - they become slaves as soon as they serve; they hate to serve. Such minds - and they may be of the first rank - are always out to shape or interpret their environment as *free* nature - wild, arbitrary, fantastic, disorderly, and surprising - and they are well advised to do so, because only thus do they please themselves!For one thing is needful: that a human being should *attain* satisfaction with himself - be it through this or that poetry or art; only then is a human being at all tolerable to behold! Whoever is dissatisfied with himself is continually prepared to avenge himself for this, and we others will be his victims if only by having to endure his sight. For the sight of something ugly makes one bad and gloomy. " (GS #290)
I never understood how people dont think Nietzsche believed in might makes right. He literally thinks slavery should be allowed and doesn't think weaklings should be next to "free spirits". He's as aristocratic as a philosopher as there are.
>>25214047>slavery should be allowed"The more general and unconditional the influence of an individual or an individual's thought can be, the more homogeneous and the lower must the mass be that is influenced, while counter-movements betray inner counter-needs that also want satisfaction and recognition. Conversely, one may always infer a high level of culture when powerful and domineering natures only manage to have a slight and sectarian influence: this is also true of the individual arts and the areas of knowledge. Where there is ruling, there are masses; where there are masses, there is a need for slavery. Where there is slavery, there are few individuals, and these have herd instincts and conscience against them. " (GS #149)
>>25214047Theres some passages in beyond good and evil when he becomes completely unhinged and confirms it so I'm not sure either
>>25212650I gave up trying to understand him. I went past 1 and 2, and when I thought I was beginning to understand him I found that youtube guy who has hundreds of videos on him who says everyone misunderstands him. He seems to pull shit out of his ass most of the time. I read Nietzche and there's no classical philosophical structure, no moral prescriptions, no systematized metaphysics. The superman thing is the asspull of the millennium. He seems more like a poet than a philosopher, but I haven't studied him for 20 years like youtube guy so what do I know?
>>25214047>how people dont think Nietzsche believed in might makes rightkinda sorta yes, but actually no"And as the lesser surrendereth himself to the greater that he may have delight and power over the least of all, so doth even the greatest surrender himself, and staketh—life, for the sake of power.It is the surrender of the greatest to run risk and danger, and play dice for death.And where there is sacrifice and service and love-glances, there also is the will to be master. By by-ways doth the weaker then slink into the fortress, and into the heart of the mightier one—and there stealeth power.">He literally thinks slavery should be allowed*caste system* should be allowed: philosophers, administrators, narrow specialists (mediocrity).The emphasized point, however, is that mediocrity must be content with its lot. Per Antichrist (#57):"Let us not underestimate the privileges of the *mediocre*. Life becomes increasingly difficult the higher up you go, - it gets colder, there are more responsibilities. A high culture is a pyramid: it needs a broad base, its first presupposition is a strongly and healthily consolidated mediocrity. Crafts, trade, farming, *science*, most of art - in a word, *employment* can only really function on the basis of a mediocrity of ability and desire: this sort of thing would be out of place among exceptional people, the associated instinct would contradict both aristocratism and anarchism. To be a public utility, a wheel, a function - you need to be destined for this by nature: it is not society but rather the type of happiness that the vast majority of people cannot rise above that make them intelligent machines. For the mediocre, mediocrity is a *happiness*; mastery of one thing, specialization as a natural instinct. It would be completely unworthy of a more profound spirit to have any objection to mediocrity as such. Mediocrity is needed *before* there can be exceptions: it is the condition for a high culture. When an exceptional person treats a mediocre one more delicately than he treats himself and his equals, this is not just courtesy of the heart, - it is his *duty* . . ."
>>25214067>no moral prescriptionsare you blind, nigger?"Since humanity came into being, man hath enjoyed himself too little: that alone, my brethren, is our original sin!And when we learn better to enjoy ourselves, then do we unlearn best to give pain unto others, and to contrive pain.Therefore do I wash the hand that hath helped the sufferer; therefore do I wipe also my soul.For in seeing the sufferer suffering—thereof was I ashamed on account of his shame; and in helping him, sorely did I wound his pride.Great obligations do not make grateful, but revengeful; and when a small kindness is not forgotten, it becometh a gnawing worm.""So be ye warned against pity: From thence there yet cometh unto men a heavy cloud! Verily, I understand weather-signs!But attend also to this word: All great love is above all its pity: for it seeketh—to create what is loved!“Myself do I offer unto my love, and my neighbour as myself”—such is the language of all creators.All creators, however, are hard.""Because, for man to be redeemed from revenge—that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. “Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance”—thus do they talk to one another.“Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us”—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.“And ‘Will to Equality’—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!” "
>>25214096Why does he have this cynical view where every humble behavior is necessarily an underhanded grab for power?And why is a culture's merit defined by the ability of a few at the top of his imagined pyramid to ...what, sit about and philosophize all day?>>25214114So here he again seems to be implying that any mercy at all creates resentment and revenge, and the best way to help others is to act only to maximize your own power, which of course is not a moral prescription at all.
>>25214047You-know-whos love him but they have to pretend he is egalitarian -- which he is, in a certain perverse Nietzschean sense of equality before ruthless tooth and claw -- otherwise it becomes obvious that their high-minded support for Communism is a closeted power grab
