When will he finish it? EditionPrevious >>25207054Here we discuss any kind of science fiction and fantasy. The recommendations are deprecated, but we don't have anything newer.>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg(Copy Pasted Slop so I could make this edition)
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>>25214544Incognito mode obviously doesn't remember them if you close the browser.
I'm not very far (reading very slowly and sporadically) so I don't want to judge too harshly but I'm pretty disappointed with the darkness that comes before so far. The earlier part with kellhus was a million times more interesting than this weepy cuck, his whore not-wife, and his faggot not-son. I trust that it gets better but it already feels like a slog reading about how much of a loser achamian is.
>>25214548that's a you problem.
The Magic Engineer, The Saga of Recluce, #3 - L.E. Modesitt Jr (1994)300 years after the second book and the founding of Recluce, Dorrin is exiled from Recluce. No one understands his obsession with technology and wanting to build machines, least of all his father, who is a member of the council that rules the country. His father fears that change will disrupt Order and bring Chaos, the two fundamental sources of magic in their world. Dorrin doesn't care and pursues his dream regardless. He and two other exiles are sent to a country ruled by Chaos. Thus begins Dorrin's rise as a smith, toymaker, healer, and engineer, among other roles. Chaos cannot abide Order, so it's only a matter of time before they come for him.There's a lot of killing, that happens during war, but for the most part Dorrin is a support character. He can fight a bit, but since he's so Order-linked, harming others and causing destruction is very difficult and painful. There are severe consequences for excessively using Order to destroy. Chaos magic has no restriction on causing destruction. The war isn't what really matters or what the book's about. Dorrin would prefer to avoid any involvement if possible in any kind of conflict. The vast majority of the book is simply Dorrin's daily life as a smith. There's almost nothing magical about that. That means making nails, forging farm tools, and whatever else the townsfolk need. Eventually he does more elaborate and extensive work with toys, building a house, and then a warship. I don't believe saying so spoilers much, as it says nothing about the character interactions, the plot, or anything else that would be usually be considered a spoiler. The purpose is to demonstrate why this may or may not be what you want to read. There's minimal adventure and battle scenes. The only ambition Dorrin has is to build stuff and muse about why the world is the way it is.I first read this over 20 years ago as a book I checked out from a local library with no idea that it was the third book. I always intended to follow up, but over the decades it became the series that I had the biggest mental block reading and I still don't know why. Hopefully that's over now and I can read the rest of the series, which currently is 26 books, without issue. I had also forgotten that it was specifically the kind of book that I had been looking for to read. I don't know how much of it is nostalgia and other factors, but it's so much better than the previous two books. I may be setting myself up disappointment for the future books in the series, but I'm okay with that. To further complicate matters, I apparently made up the two most vivid memories I had of the book, because nothing like either ever happened. I have no idea what I must've been thinking reading this for the first time, but I have a far greater appreciation for it now. This is exactly what I needed and wanted to read at this time.Rating: 5/5
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>>25214544i just bought the entire Mistborn trilogy because the female mc is barefoot, did i make a mistake?
I’ve posted a few updates while writing my first book last year. After about four months of querying, and just over a dozen full requests, I got an agent offer of representation.I’ve got the call tomorrow. I guess we’ll see how it goes.Thanks for all the support. I couldn’t have done it without you guys.
ANY SF NOVELS WITH GHOSTSESPECIALLY GHOSTS IN SPACE?!?!
>>25214690nice, hope it works out, let us know
>>25214552I was one of the biggest Second Apocalypse critics a couple months ago, and honestly I have few problems with the Darkness that comes before. Kellhus seems interesting at first, but the next POVs slowly carry their weight as things progress. Kellhus only seems interesting to a first time reader, because hes the first introduction, and the conditions of his journey, and his goals are the most shrouded in mystery, so theres an implied deeper understanding to find (there isnt, not as a character atleast, and no I dont care whatever plot twist bullshit bakker pulls out of his ass in the aspect emperor series) With Achamian, everything about him, his desires, his thoughts, his goals, and the purpose of his journey is on the surface level. But Achamians value is in filling in the world building, so he adds depth to the world, even if it isnt much depth of character.Esmenet is a completely pointless character for the most part, but she makes the surface level Achamian slightly more interesting by adding gravitas to his surface level desires, she gives them meaning and context beyond merely being a world building guide. Shes as surface level as him, but it makes Achamian feel just that bit more like an actual person.Cnauir is interesting for the insights on War, and the Dunyain that he offers, which completely destroys the mystery of Kellhus, and is basically where Kellhus' downhill trajectory as a character starts, because basically right after he meets Cnauir (despite the ironic point of Cnauir (atleast on the surface) being that hes not as easily manipulated by Kellhus) he starts mass manipulating everyone and everything to get his perfect way. And Bakker doesnt realize why this is bad writing, which is why Im guessing he pulls some bullshit in the Aspect Emperor series to subvert this or add another "layer" to make it interesting, but itll never be justified writing because it will always feel poorly established beyond vague hints and nods, like people seeing Halos on Kellhus.Which embodies the mystery box problem where you can just hint at something, then post hoc fill in some bullshit and voila, youve got an interesting story beat.
>>25214640The first Mistborn is fine, I hated the rest of the trilogy. They were a slog to complete.
I forgot to say. Darkness that Comes Before is fairly good. The Two books that come after, are shit. And the Warrior Prophet is one of the driest most unenjoyable books ever. I'm being hyperbolic but the whole thing really did feel like a waste of time till like the last 50 pages? A summary would suffice.
>>25214573Been meaning to get around to reading this series, genuinely sounds like everything I want in fantasy (just based off the first book)
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>>25214700xeelee sequence has the Silver Ghosts :-)
>>25214700Night's Dawn trilogy by Peter Hamilton
God Emperor of Dune fucking sucked. How do you write an entire book with zero good characters?
>>25214640Nah you'll probably have a good time. Only pseuds hate Sanderson.
>>25214819You are as embarrassing as the routine Wolfe/Vance/Red Rising faggot author's name/whatever else is FOTM normalfag niggers.
>>25214830and you're a faggot contrarian
>>25214832You're new to 4chan LOL
>>25214834Unfortunately, I've been here longer than you.
>>25214837>DUDE 4chan launched in 2016 LMAO
>>25214845kek you gottem dude
>>25214845you got here in 19
>>25214847>>25214856You will never fit in.
God I fucking hate sun eater why are so many current book recs so retarded and shallow
People make lots of comparisons here between Sun Eater, and TBotNS. Is that just becaude it's a story of a man telling the story of how he came to power?
>>25214913I'm not wholly into BotNS yet, I heard of it after I got started with SE. Apparently Dune and new sun were the most influential inspirations for Ruocchio. I'm going to guess it's because of the easy comparisons to be made between them. fictional memoir, theological features in the narration, science fiction backdrop, maybe even the violence of the story's events feel similar to some people. Seems like SE just misses in all the same places as the ender's game series.
>>25214955What about the prose? I'd say that the pose and narration style are the defining traits of TBotNS.
>>25214773>the Warrior ProphetIt is an excellent book on how an Evil Jesus hijacks the holy war:" “Witness is the seeing that *testifies*, that judges so that it may be judged. You saw, and you judged. A trespass had been committed, an innocent had been murdered. *You saw this.*”“*Yes!*” the man hissed. “A little girl. *A little girl!*”“And now you suffer.”“But why?” he cried. “Why should I suffer? She’s not mine. She was *heathen!*”“Everywhere . . . Everywhere we’re surrounded by the blessed and the cursed, the sacred and the profane. But our hearts are like hands, they grow callous to the world. And yet, like our hands even the most callous heart will blister if overworked or chafed by something new. For some time we may feel the pinch, but we ignore it because we have so much work to do.” Kellhus had looked down into his right hand. Suddenly he balled it into a fist, raised it high. “And then one *strike*, with a hammer or a sword, and the blister breaks, *our heart is torn*.** And then we suffer, for we feel the ache for the blessed, the sting of the cursed. We no longer see, *we witness* . . .”<...>“Rejoice.”“Rejoice? But I *suffer!*”“Yes, *rejoice!* The callused hand cannot feel the lover’s cheek. When we witness, we *testify*, and when we testify *we make ourselves responsible for what we see*. And that—*that*—is what it means to belong.”Kellhus suddenly stood, leapt from the low platform, took two breathtaking steps into their midst. “Make no mistake,” he continued, and the air thrummed with the resonance of his voice. “This world *owns* you. You *belong*, whether you want to or not. Why do we suffer? Why do the wretched take their own lives? Because the world, no matter how cursed, *owns us*. Because *we belong*.”“Should we celebrate suffering?” a challenging voice called. From somewhere . . .Prince Kellhus smiled, glancing into the darkness. “Then it’s no longer suffering, is it?”The small congregation laughed.“No,” Kellhus continued, “that’s not what I mean. Celebrate the meaning of suffering. Rejoice that you *belong*, not that you suffer. Remember what the Latter Prophet teaches us: glory comes in joy a sorrow. Joy and sorrow . . .”“I s-see, see the wisdom of you-your words, Prince,” the nameless knight stammered. “I truly *see!* But . . .”And somehow, Achamian could *feel* his question . . .*What is there to gain?*“I’m not asking you to see,” Kellhus said. “I’m asking you to witness.” Blank face. Desolate eyes. The nameless knight blinked, and two tears silvered his cheek. Then he smiled, and nothing, it seemed, could be glorious.“To make myself . . .” His voice quavered, broke. “To m-make . . .”“To be one with the world in which you dwell,” Kellhus said. “To be in a covenant of your life.”*The world . . . You will gain the world.* "
>>25214977>how an Evil Jesus hijackshijacks the entire plot and everyone's wives too
I've read the first two discworld books and they were decent,good even.I really don't get how these books are considered as a "must avoid" in the series.
>>25214552>but I'm pretty disappointed with the darkness that comes before so farIt will become great on reread, once you've accustomed to the context
>>25214573your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
