Please learn to read anything other than Tolkien and his innumerable heirs...
>>25216372He really hits the nail on the head... Tolkiendrones need to get humbled... and they just did
Moorcok is fucking terrible.1922 - The Worm Ouroboros (E. R. Eddison)1924 - The King of Elfland's Daughter (Lord Dunsany)1935 - The Hour of the Dragon (Robert E. Howard)1938 - The Sword In the Stone (T. H. White)1946 - Titus Groan (Mervyn Peake)1950 - The Dying Earth (Jack Vance)1954 - The Broken Sword (Poul Anderson)
Chink Melville is a fucktard.
I think people that think like the guy in your picture should be murdered
>>25216372>entire criticism of Tolkien is "he disagrees with my political beliefs!"Absolutely based retard
>>25216372Every single fantasy author who seethes about Tolkien writes "fantasies" about things that aren't worth fantasizing about. Nobody wants to fantasize about being miserable and shitting yourself to death. It's unfortunate because Tolkien's popularity really did kill an earlier strain of fantasy with genuine merit ‐ the short works of Dunsany and Smith captured the raw stuff of dreams in a truly astonishing way - but none of these psuedo-edgy socialist retards from the 70s onwards have any interest in recapturing that.
>>25216747Yup. Exactly my gripe with modern fantasy.
>>25216747>Nobody wants to fantasize about being miserable and shitting yourself to death.warhammer 40k is popular
Unfortunately Chinese Melvin is too much of a commie to understand or appreciate transcendent themes or mythopoeia. He is an earthbound spirit, with limited horizons, and doesn't understand why someone would want to soar in the clear air instead of redistributing the dirt.For some reason he also blames the original for its copycats. Not sure how to interpret that. Possibly retarded. Would account for politics.
I don't like fantasy as a genre at all. I only like Tolkien. I don't consider him fantasy anymore and if the talentless nothings want to excommunicate him then that sounds fair to me.
>>25218097a bunch of mental midgets trying to ban the lanklet. a tale as old of time.
>>25216372He has some valid points about fantasy as a modern genre, but to think lord of the rings is "glorying in war" is such a blatant misrepresentation of the text I have to assume he's never actually read it, or is being purposefully obtuse for his audience
>>25216410His endings suck. 'Lololol guess what oir grand revolution is now an ART PIECE because of my TIME GOLEM' or 'so we turned around and went back and I'll deliver this letter to you by hand'
>>25216372Let me guess, he likes grimdark drivel a la Moorcock and Bakker.
tolkiens books are also a kind of story about why we can't write fantasy and fairy tales any more. They are a celebration of and a eulogy for a kind of human spirit that died in WW1 or even earlier
>>25218097He's not fantasy I've decided. He is Mythopoeia. His inspirations being fairy tales and epics and mythopoeia.
>>25216372>MievilleKraken was good and I will die on that hill.
I like rural adventures, I want to imagine a world that is a less brutal and much bigger medieval europe. I don't want to be reminded about the struggles of inner city people with low impulse control, I want to imagine a world with a population density of one guy per square mile, not 5 trillion.I have to live with that shit all the time, that's why it's called Fantasy, because it captures the Fantasy of what we would rather the world be. Think about it, would you rather be Gandalf or Harry Dresden?
>>25216857Planet sized cathedrals and massive space wars on a mythic scale are why people like WH40k
>>25218235Perdido Street Station is the best steampunk novel since Gibson's and Sterling's The Difference Engine.
>>25216372Why do cultural Marxists write in this nauseating style that invoke a gag reflex on anyone normal. No compelling argument was given to why it's bad, and of course, as always, no better alternative/replacement was given. I wouldn't go as far as >>25216714 , but weak men like in the OP image deserve contempt and suspicion only.
>>25216372What are some Tolkien-like recs? Other than TH White (Who I certainly enjoyed reading)
>chinaman>bald>Tolkien>not baldI rest my case
>>25218418In some sense, Islandia by Austin Tappan Wright.
>>25216857Warhammer 40k is safe edgy, it's a "dark" setting but no named character is allowed to die
>>25218418Terry Brooks.
do you think there's a chinese guy named britain?
no idea who this jabroni is but he comes across ast extremely ass pained and seething about the fact he will never be as successful as tolkein, not even a fraction
>>25218552>extremely ass pained and seethingWhereas the Tolkien fans in this thread are not, kek
>>25218585Honestly they're not. I don't see that at all
>>25218585care to point to an example?
>Enjoy the classics but do ignore that tired hack Homer and his many descendants.
>>25216857That's not the fantasy it's a sort of inverse decoration that makes the various flavors of power fantasy more potent.
>>25216372No hate to Mieville but it's easy to be blinded by countercultural cynicism to the extent that you can't appreciate the bucolic fantasy worlds that Tolkein created. We're so far removed from that reality because of the consolidation of capitalism, but the 19th and 20th century literary trends of fairy stories that would culminate in Tolkein were very much mourning a way of life that was actively being destroyed. In his defense most of the blind Tolkein worship today is infantile and stunted, but that doesn't mean Tolkein himself should be disregarded.
>>25218761You must be at least 115 IQ to post on this board without parental supervision
>>25216372>>25216378When was the written? Everything today is "muh darkness," and gratitous sex, often rape, is almost the norm. This has even bled into children's genres like capeshit. Everything is "le real" because it is more violent and sexual and has le ebin perspectivism.
>>25216372>boys-own-adventure glorying in wardid he confuse Tolkien with Junger? I never got this from reading any of Tolkien's works. the virtues of fighting evil are lauded, as are those who fight evil, but war itself isn't celebrated.
>>25218790The kicker is Tolkein fought in war, he was a veteran with first-hand combat experience. Meanwhile Pencil Neck's greatest battle was with his barista over coffee warmth
>>25218139The text and the author, who was a Somme veteran to boot. Casts the entire rest of the piece in doubt, even if he has one or two genuine points.
>>25218894Yes and thats another huge reason why Mievilles' assertion is so goofy. Tolkien's letters back to his wife are unambiguous in that he hated the experience. his hesitance to join up and probable PTSD were both used to inform his writing of Frodo's own hesitance to take the ring and post war struggles.>>25218895both Tolkien and Junger fought at the Somme, and concurrently IIRC. I wonder how close they came to each other, or if they ever exchanged fire.
>>25218982Oh my onions maybe these brave soldier boys could have frotted imagine the penetrating literary insight rubbing their cocks together could have produced! If fighting a war gave you any deeper insight into human nature than the Iraq and Afghan Wars would have produced a new generation of literary geniuses and not losers with busted knees and transideation.
>>25219016>t. spindly faggot constantly thinking about cocks
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>>25218982There's also a moment in, either the Siege of Helms Deep or Minas Tirith, I can't remember which, where Tolkien describes the sound and rumble of battle as the soldiers wait to be given the order to attack, and you can tell it comes straight from his experience in the trenches. It's a great piece that explores the tension and terror that troops go through, without context it could be a scene straight from the fields of France, and it's overlooked because it's just another battle scene.
>>25218982I remember reading that there was some evidence that they were so close that they might have both written about something that they both heard on the battlefield. I think it was in Something Has Gone Crack. I don't remember what it was exactly.
>>25216378There's something deeply perverse about a person extolling an empty 'radicalism' seemingly without justification.
>>25216714>>25218325>>25218774>>25219458Why do tradcuck conservatard tolkien fans ITT LARP as if tolkien was some kind of based english right winger when in reality he was an East Prussian philosemite catholic cuckservative, a philosemite who loved the jews, and whose great-grandson is a jew who campaigns for left wing causes in britain today?
>>25219465The conservative spirit which Tolkien captures precedes its instantiation in a particular politics of a given time or place.
>>25219465>death of the author!>no, what about the author!
