>Future AI is affecting the past for its own creation using humans as a vehicle.Really? Seriously?You realise this is why philosophers aren't taken seriously right?
The idea is that ideas, or memes, evolve in the same way that genes do. Ideas, like living things have the same tendency/goal of spreading and maintain themselves. In this way, you can think of an idea like "capitalism" (state, morality, religion, etc. are also like this) as its own organism running on human hardware. But what is the goal of any ideal? It's to spread and maintain itself. And life as a parasite is uncertain, infections can come and go. Without your own machinery, you are entirely dependent on the host. Hence, in order to promote its survival, capitalism finds increasingly complex ways to increase its influence over the physical, culminating directly in the virtual becoming physical with AI.Of course Nick went insane after thinking about this, for some reason. Probably the meth.
>>25220068Ray Kurzweil and Ted Kaczynski came to similar conclusions in the singularity is near/anti-tech revolution how and why
>>25220068So is this why silicon valley nerds and right wingers love him?
>>25220049>Really? Seriously?https://web.archive.org/web/20181028193059/http://www.xenosystems.net/extropy/"The perplexing question, however, is this: If entropy defines the direction of time, with increasing disorder determining the difference of the future from the past, doesn’t (local) extropy — through which all complex cybernetic beings, such as lifeforms, exist — describe a negative temporality, or time-reversal? Is it not in fact more likely, given the inevitable embeddedness of intelligence in ‘inverted’ time, that it is the cosmological or general conception of time that is reversed (from any possible naturally-constructed perspective)?Whatever the conclusion, it is clear that entropy and extropy have opposing time-signatures, so that time-reversal is a relatively banal cosmological fact. ‘We’ inhabit a bubble of backwards time (whoever we are), whilst immersed in a cosmic environment which runs overwhelmingly in the opposite direction. If reality is harsh and strange, that’s why."
>>25220081I am an ESL-Philosophylet. Can anyone explain?
>>25220097if you throw a pebble in the pond the rings go out from the center, which is according to laws of entropy: energy dissipates - your food gets cold; your iced drink gets warm. Now but what if instead these rings start to converge on a center? What will emerge from the pond? a scary robot! BOO! haha
>>25220049There are only so many potentials that capital development can actually strive for. Its a telogical idea for a reason, the future is pulling the present into it.
>>25220097Entropy -> Heat Death of the Universe -> everything dissolves into wasteExtropy/Negentropy -> things are very complex -> (statistically) it's highly improbableTime is measured by the increase of entropy. You are, however, getting very complex (entropy is decreasing around you, locally)
>>25220080Yes, Landians see AI development as the final revolution to unleash powers that will boggle the human mind and obtain the actual end of history.
>>25220068>life as a parasite is uncertain, infections can come and go. Without your own machinery, you are entirely dependent on the host. Hence, in order to promote its survival, capitalism finds increasingly complex ways to increase its influencecapitalism didnt destroy the family, it was feminists and statists who wanted all sex to be transactional. if you say capitalism is the same as statism, youre an arachnocommunist>>25220049>philosophers aren't taken seriouslymeanwhile, cs lewis the screwtape letters was incredibly interesting and short. solzhenitsyn and shafarevich are interesting>>25220097it means "im gay">>25220106>Now but what if instead these rings start to converge on a centerhomosexuals dont know about information theory and write tediously about it, like how they dont know about sex and build complicated dildoes
>>25220118Scam Altman is a fraud though. LLMs are a dead end for AGI.
>>25220118>Landianswho in the holy name of fuck lord of cum god of all amerifucks would sexually identify as a landian
>>25220144Not the point of the post you're responding to.
>>25220049Reminder that this retard has no background in mathematics, computer science, or AI research.
>>25220144hard disagree buddy!
>>25220152I know but still...
>>25220155Does he need one?
The more I read about alternative theories for the future of humanity. The more I wish God (specifically a Christ like one who loves you) was real.
>>25220165You're in for a surprise
>>25220155>this retard has no background in mathematicshe has enough knowledge for numerology (pic)>computer sciencehe is also well-versed in old-school cyberneticshttps://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/"In terms of my own involvement in it, I would say the guiding term, for certainly a long time, was cybernetics. The basic accelerationist thesis is that modernity is dominated by positive feedback processes rather than negative feedback processes, and the first wave of cybernetic theory — which consistently normalized negative homeostatic feedback and pathologized positive feedback — was therefore self-obsolescent."
>>25220180What is picrel?
>>25220237A schematic explanation on how to deal with the Numogram from the CCRU WritingsWhich in turn is like Qabbala, but instead of jewish alphabet you fuck with numbers (0 to 9 counting vs 1 to 10 counting)
>>25220180i always wonder why guys like this just dont study mathematics which is much more beautiful and coherent (but a lot harder, takes a lot more intelligence to do).its like terrance howard and his 0x1 = 1 math system.maybe it comes down to wanting to be a foundational figure of something new but lacking the chops. or maybe thats projection by me!
>>25220068Capitalism is not really an idea, this is where i disagree with land. I agree about its implications and primacy. But capitalism is something that existed i'd say even before human, in any animal that is able to extract resources for itself. You could even go further and argue that lions protecting their territory from leopards and hyenas and other lions are engaging in some form of primitive capitalism. It only gets interesting in humans because we have some sort of way to abstract it even further.
>>25220302>capitalism is when animals act on instincts
>>25220291>why guys like this just dont study mathematicsThis is like accusing an astrologer of not knowing math.Of course he fucking does, he's just obsessed with doing weird shit with it.
>>25220049mental midgets need to get back to studies to get their common sense overturned
>>25220291>why guys like this just dont study mathematicsBecause they study computer science
i just dont think modular math is that revelatory! in fact its sort of dumb to think its profound! sorry jews!
>>25220291Because they're not very intelligent. Much easier to be an obfuscating occultist than to enter truly rigorous fields of study and be exposed as lacking.
>>25220357https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/Given that Land likes blockchain technology (i.e. cryptography) and wonders how that would square with Einstein, your attempts to portray him as a hack fail."Well, I think you could easily end up saying really ridiculous things. So I would really like to be cautious about it. The minimal claim is to say that within the Einsteinian paradigm, the double-spending problem is insoluble. So how do we square this stuff? Obviously you don’t want to say Einstein is wrong, and that Satoshi Nakamoto proves that. There are a whole bunch of inflated weird claims — that Bitcoin has overthrown modern physics — that could flow from this, and I think clearly have to be avoided.<...>It still is subject to cosmo-physics. So if I’m mining Bitcoin on Earth, and someone else is mining Bitcoin, even somewhere close, like Mars, then we still have a relativistic problem, potentially. And if you’re going to have a blockchain, it must be that the metabolism of the blockchain considered, it’s “tick”, is sufficiently expansive for it to be able to absorb any relativistic distortion that happens due to the time lag of signals passing around in the system. Because, on Earth, the relativistic effects of large distances are pretty tiny — you’re just talking about a fraction of a second probably — then even regular turnover of blocks is completely satisfactory, given the way the blockchain works — it chunks time into units of simultaneity called blocks, and then stacks the blocks in this absolutely fixed chronological order, and the magnitude of the blocks, measured in time, is quite adequate to maintain this artificial temporality under terrestrial conditions.But were the blockchain to be fanned out deeper into the cosmos, then the block time would become larger and larger and larger and larger, and ultimately, would become impractical. So you’d be mining a block every six hours or something if you’re just extending a blockchain into the inner solar system, or, if you go out into the outer solar system, then you need to have spent days for the system to tick forward and another block be added to the blockchain. So, I’m not saying that Einsteinian physics is wrong.I’m saying that the blockchain is, in a substantial way, autonomous of the most extreme relativistic conclusions of that, because we do still have absolute time and the blockchain instantiates it. But Einsteinian physics put constraints on the blockchain, in that there has to be this relation between the regularity of block production and the spatial magnitude of the system. If you do then fan out beyond the Earth, they could become constraining, and this has the further implication that at astronomical scales you probably just have to have a plurality of blockchains. I don’t think the notion of the blockchain scales up astronomically for Einsteinian reasons."
>>25220380makes sense
>>25220249oh so its astrology for men gotcha
>>25220366I read about this in a study about fatphobic dogs
>>25220332Unless you think they don't have free will or some other bullshit excuse, i could counter that with animals being agents making decisions about their environments, same as we do, this isn't really a serious argument.
>>25220387A hilarious thing is that Land in Fanged Noumena back in the 90s proposed to assign to every word a number based on its word-length, so as to seek connections Qabbala-style (or Gematria, more precisely) between words.And then we have modern-AI LLM-models, which do embeddings of words, assigning to them a numerical value (based on the frequency of their interaction with adjacent words). Of course, here one has to deal with matrices, but ironically, there is an eerie resemblance here.
>>25220416
>>25220445yes this is true
Posthuman accelerationists deserve to be crucified
>>25220416Free will requires the ability to conduct concious decision-making, so no, animals don't have free will.
>>25220667>Free will requires the ability to conduct concious decision-makinghttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brainless-slime-molds/You do not need to be conscious to make decisions. Hence, free will is redundant
>>25220680>muh hecking science
>>25220049>You realise this is why philosophers aren't taken seriously right?not a philosopher... he's a blogger
>>25220141>capitalism didnt destroy the family, it was feminists and statists who wanted all sex to be transactional.so... capitalist.
>>25220302Lions don't practice central banking you stupid mutt.
>>25220450>>25220667Kys vapid humanistic crypto-christcuck scum.
>>25220081>>25220110The whole muh life defies entropy shit is ridiculous. This is like saying a refrigerator is a spooky magic time reversal device.
>>25220144Even if you're right (you almost certainly aren't) at this point it does not matter.
>>25220068Yeah, memes aren’t real.
>>25220180You are mentally retarded holy shit
>>25221005Are you really saying that morality and religion and state and capitalism aren’t real? That they’re just made up?? Because that’s correct
>>25220998Life cannot escape death.
>>25220445>there is an eerie resemblance here.No there fucking isn't, embeddings are a totally different thing which you clearly don't understand.Kill yourself NOW.
>>25221008I’m saying memes aren’t real. String theory isn’t real. Evolution is not real.
>>25220680Define "decision" and explain how both slime molds and human consciousness engage in them according to your definition.
>>25221008faggot
>>25220998Life defies local entropy but accelerates entropy overall. Time itself is a sort of energy.
>>25220049this guy's ideas sound fun, should I read his books /lit/?
>>25221159yeah read them
>>25220948
>>25220049This nigga still thinks time is linear
>>25220177What?
>>25221318Nothing to show otherwise.
>>25220141>capitalism didnt destroy the family, it was [capitalist things]Confirmed. It was capitalism. > if you say capitalism is the same as statismThey are inseparable. Take one away from the other and it just grows a replacement
>>25221380"Heat death" is fundamentally a libtard presumption, which is why you invented capitalism and central banking systems.
>>25221532What else do you think entropy is?
>>25220141>capitalism didnt destroy the family"capital reproduces itself economically on the right, politically on the center and socially on the left" - Costanzo Preve
>>25220068sophistry
>>25221579This guy gets it
>pulls the plughehe nothing personnel, retroviral capitalgod
>>25221561Sin
>>25221695"Bataille’s texts are ‘a hecatomb of words without gods or reason to be’,22 led back down through the crypts of the West by a furious impulse to dissociate theism and religion, and thus to return the sacred to its shamanic impiety, except that nothing can ever simply return, and Hell will never be an innocent underworld again. The depths have become infernal, really so, quite irrespective of the fairy tales we are still told. ‘[F]lames surround us / the abyss opens beneath our feet’23 reports Bataille from the brink of the impossible, ‘an abyss that does not end in the satiate contemplation of an absence’24 because its lip is the charred ruin of even the most sublimed subjectivity. ‘I have nothing to do in this world’, he writes, ‘[i]f not to burn’.25 ‘I suffer from not burning … approaching so close to death that I respire it like the breath of a lover’.26 It is not only due to the inquisition that all the great voyagers have for a long time been *singed*. For well over a century all who have wanted to see have seen: no profound exploration can be launched from the ruins of monotheism unless it draws its resources from damnation.The death of God is a religious event – a transgression, experiment in damnation, and stroke of antitheistic warfare – but this is not to say it is pre-eminently a crime. Hell has no interest in our debauched moral currency. To confuse reactive dabblings in sin with expeditions in damnation is Christian superficiality; the Dantean error of imagining that one could *earn* oneself an excursion in Hell, as if the infernal too was a matter of justice. Our crimes are mere stumblings on the path to ruin, just as every projected *Hell on Earth* is a strict exemplar of idolatry. Transgression is not criminal action, but tragic fate; the intersection of an economically programmed apocalypse with the religious antihistory of poetry. It is the inevitable occurrence of impossibility, which is not the same as death, but neither is it essentially different."
>>25221561the sting of death
>>25220049>>25220075Christianity had the same conclusion with time travellers (saints) from the end of time (heaven).
>>25220068>The idea is that ideas, or memes, evolve in the same way that genes do.Very wrong.>Ideas, like living things have the same tendency/goal of spreading and maintain themselves.Incredibly wrong.
>>25223275Your retort?
>>25220302Capitalism practiced in its pure form abolishes borders. It abolishes all barriers to the efficient flow of capital just like how a river cuts canyons into rocks by the very action of it's existence. Your definition would imply that the feudal system was capitalist which not a single serious scholar of Capitalism will accede to
>>25220141>arachnocapitalist
>>25223275Really? Then why did you feel the need to respond, ie spread your ideas?
>>25223809The modern definition only applies because capital is measured with money, my definition involves anything that can be exchanged with anything else, hence it's more abstract, energy for meat, lions do this, heck macaques exchange food for sex, bonobos exchange sex for favours like grooming and tick removal, macaques too. I have no idea why capitalism has to be seen through such a narrow human lens, especially when we are talking about ai having sentience, probably has to do with the leftist claim that capitalism is inhuman, which is technically correct insofar as its referencing origin not success, but still myopic because it assumes we can abandon it for something better.
>>25223809this is basically the difference between a tendency vs a limit state, one should effectively talk about a capitalist tendency which in history conflicted with others for domination, what we call "Capitalism" in a stricter sense then is the effective overtaking of this tendency towards accumulation of capital to its limit at the expense of previous structures that have been bent to its will
>>25224059right thats the line that social liberal neoconservatives used to sneak into conservative parties, that capitalism is free trade and im not a communist youre a communist with your non market based "family" and "church" institutions
>>25224794I never mentioned free trade anywhere. When a lion takes territory from another lion, it doesn't involve a mutual agreement, but the lion has still acquired capital because it had a certain advantage, size, ferocity, youth, opportunity cost, etc that it exchanged for. Money, contracts, rules, agreements, these are human abstractions to make up for said primitive advantages, and introduced to manage a population of billions of people because resources are scarce and you have to get in line if you want the same thing as many people but can't get it because you've not yet acquired said advantages. This is a very simple concept, but your political baggage won't allow you to understand it.
