Cosmere ranked editionPrevious >>25214536>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>>25221167Rolling eyes at yet another Sanderson OP.
>>25221170Who would you have preferred, anon-kun?
>>25221167Cursed ass tierlist wtf
Gentleman Jak?Hero. Waxillium “Dawnshot” Ladrian?Fop.
>>25221167Sanderson is a combination of everything wrong with modern sff>Bloated and milked series >Dogshit prose>Retarded contemporary millennial dologue>Magic system>Modern politically correct politics>Created for the soul purpose of being adapted into a movie/show/video game to follow in the footsteps of writers whose works read more like screenplays: King, Gayman, Martin, etc.I missing anything?
>>25221172Brent Weeks, Brian McClellan, Will Wight, Robert Jordan, N.K. Jemisin, Evan Winter, Mervyn Peake, Patricia McKillip, Guy Gavriel Kay, Steven Brust, Michelle West, Robert Holdstock, or literally anyone else.
>>25221181I I've only read Aloy of Law so far. He better plow the sister.
>>25221196>Evan Winterbasedthink the third book is coming out this year? Another year and he's gonna feel like another rothfuss.
>>25221195Magic systems are not inherently bad for fantasy. Brandon Sanderson like magic systems however are.
>>25221172literally anything else
*is the only stormlight character to make it out the first era still based*
>>25221199Care to elaborate? Maybe you'll convince me otherwise.
>>25221195>Created for the soul purpose of being adapted into a movie/show/video game to follow in the footsteps of writers whose works read more like screenplays: King, Gayman, Martin, etc.Lol come on now
>>25221199They're fine when he does it, but the copycats just pollute the genre.I do think authors will be moving away from that kind of thing, though. The Suneater author just said he's got a Fantasy book coming out that is trying to get back to the roots of the genre and away from that kind of magic system stuff.
Sanderson has plans to write about a space-age band of mercenaries that live on after death. He said they’re based on Glen Cook’s Black Company
Started reading A Game of Thrones while I was taking a break from Words of Radiance and I dont know if I can go back. GRRM says more in 20 pages than Sanderson says in 100 and his characters are a million times more interesting and likable than Kaladin, Adolin, and Shannon could ever be
>>25221201Erm, hello?
>>25221212Skyward was cool sans the ai sidekick. Couldn't read the second book though. Too deep into ya.
>>25221212>He said they’re based on Glen Cook’sit better have a hot brunette milf like Lady or i'm not reading it
>>25221221Sando goes for books without mentioning sex and then you have shit like Warbeaker, Yumi, and Mistborn era 2 where he just cannot stop discussing the breasts of women in exquisite detail.
>>25221204What about Sanderson's magic system makes you consider what you would do with it, while you are standing in your kitchen washing dishes?Ask yourself this same question about avatar the last airbender, or full metal alchemist.
>>25221212This is like anime artists learning art from previous animes instead of art classes
>>25221226
>>25221167i just finished the final empire and i want to fuck vin's feet, are there more barefoot ladies in his other works?>>25221224i will now read warbreaker
>>25221237With all those calluses?
>>25221224Am I so much of a coomer that the two of the books where he does this are in my top 5 Sanderson?
>>25221181Wayne was so much better than Wax.I think it's funny that I, who brought Cosmere to /sffg/, am partially responsible for Bakkerfag being an anti-Sanderson thread maker. Not that there aren't many reasons to dislike Sanderson but those of us who frequent the general know that faggot is incapable of any discussion.
>>25221238of course, makes it more grippy
>>25221237You aren't even prepared for how horny Warbreaker is. There is a major character whose main trait is having ridiculously large and perfect breast that contrast with her slim figure.
>>25221263While I am thinking about it, maybe Warbreaker was the only Sanderson we got where there was a femMC getting fucked regularly/daily early on.
>>25221269No? Did she even get fucked at all?
>>25221270Wasn't Siri getting regular dick from Susebron right away? Silent awkward dick but still.
>>25221270Uh yeah? you missed the part where Siri got addicted to having sex with her god-king husband?
>>25221270https://coppermind.net/wiki/Summary:Warbreaker#Chapter_44
>>25221272>>25221275>>25221277I remember her having to present herself all night and he just layed in bed all night.
>>25221292He would silently stare at her lol
I wanted Vivenna and Vasher to fuck>"b-but muh age gap!!"so?
>>25221212I mean, if you want Cook's take on military SF it exists.
I'll be damned if any of this fantasy slop you fags are reading even has one actually good waifu.
what the hell, wemby a Sanderson fan...
>>25221405Character sliders maxxed out to opposite ends.
>>25221405dude looks like some alien creature from one of his bookssanderson involved in NBA what the actual fuck
>>25221411>dude looks like some alien creature from one of his bookspoor bastard's getting covered in prosthetics to play the gay parshnigga in bridge four
>>25221214>GRRM says more in 20 pages than Sanderson says in 100 and his characters are a million times Eh, theres a reason GRRMs books are 1000 pages
>>25221415ASOIAF books are, but the rest of his novels aren't. And then there's the fact that he was primarily a short story writer for decades. You do actually know Martin didn't make his debut with A Game of Thrones, right?
>immediate GRRM defenderGo back to your general, faggot.
>>25221460>here's a writer who primarily wrote short stories for three decades>LOL ALL HIS BOOKS ARE 1000 PAGESAnon, you can criticize the fat lazy fuck for any number of things, but you need not lie. Nor need you pretend to be a shitposting troll when you get embarrassed by a factual error, this is an anonymous image board so no one will be able to connect the mistake to your person. Just let it go little bro, you did an oof so take your L, sit down and do heckin' better next time.
Ok I guess Kingdoms of Death isn't so bad.
>>25221460you seem spiteful
>>25221470>constantly shits on commies>Hadrian has his first real encounter with le heckin' based tradcathsIt's alright so far
>>25221467I read more books than you and I don't care about GRRM as an author.>>>/lit/grrm>>25221471Aww is this Bakkerfag protecting his other favorite author LMAO
>>25221475>if I shitpost even harder, that'll convince them I was le ebin troll all along!But you're not, you're just embarrassed over being called out on a factual error. There's no way for you to escape this situation by continuing to respond, it's like quicksand where you only sink further the more you struggle. Your only path forward is to disengage.
>>25221477>I'm new to 4chan AND>here are all these facts about your personal lifePsychotics like you are why self-defense laws exist.
>>25221473>>constantly shits on commiesdoesnt sound like a well written book assuming its as reductive as this reductive greentext suggests...
>>25221167What the actual fuck op you black as fuckThats mine all i read from the cosmere, i am reading RoW and its way better than oathbringer for now, i really hope it doesnt have 300 pages of slog like oathbringer did, I am never reading elantris
>>25221405Did he take that before or after fucking Sanderson's wife?
Reading Red Rising makes think even i could write a book someday.
This shit sucked so bad at the very beginning, but I'm about a fifth of the way through and it's actually not too bad.
Anybody here ever read The Long Earth series? How was it?
>>25221576How do I get a GF that supports my non-existant writing career?
>>25221529What a valuable conversation this is!
>>25221629The Red Rising pipeline is tolerating book one and getting memed into book two, which you enjoy enough to keep going. By the end you're attached enough to the characters to appreciate their escapades in book one.
>>25221224Maybe I should read Warbreaker instead of WoK. I always smirk when Sando mentions brothels in Roshar because I can't imagine anybody having sex in that world from how sterile it feels>>25221237Footfags? In MY general?
>>25221473Just wait until Syriani explains Cielcin gnosticism between bouts of torturing Hadrian for 150 pages
>>25221679I read the first one. I didn't dislike it, but it was a bit slow. There's a fine line between comfy and boring.
250 pages into Will of Many.The plot is fun, but the character writing and emotions as flat as a femcel. Which is generally a problem of modern fantasy.
idk is this is the right thread to ask. is there any books on eternal consciousness topic? something like in Stephen king the jaunt?
>Speaking in terms of science: most change is evil. All change increases entropy, and all entropy is loss.I'm not sure if Hadrian is scientifically illiterate, or if Ruocchio is.
hey halo guy, what’s the best halo book?
>>25221900If you mean horror fiction, ask in the general.
>>25221415Yes, because there's a fuckton of characters and events. GRRM wrote himself into a corner with that in that people expect every minute thing to get resolved or mentioned.
>everyone praises those sophisticated but overlong British space operas from the 1980s>no one remembers Samuel Delany's sophisticated AND short space operas
>>25222251I mean, he did win Hugo for Babel-17. Jointly, but it was a win still.
>>25222262Nebula, not Hugo. Fucking brainfart.
>>25221727your fault for being reductive.
>>25221929Everybody loves to use the entropy meme in this way. So much so that I barely even remember what entropy originally was supposed to mean, learned that shit in like 10th grade and havent thought of it since.I hate when people try to project human biases onto the world and act like its profound that they can see their reflection in the water, because that means le nature...is looking back at me...woah...deep. Its so meaningless.
>>25221473I knew there was a reason why that writer is a hack.
>>25222305Commies bead = hack?
>>25222358Yes :)
>>25221172Professor George Ronald Reginald Martin
>>25221405The villain's loyal pair of henchmen
>>25222379based
>>25222429who's the villain?
>>25222443
>>25221172>>25221200Bakker
>still reading Kingdoms of Death>get to the part where Syriani is throwing a buffet>when Hadrian says it can't stand against the Empire's strength, Syriani demonstrates "strength" by ordering one of its followers to jump to its death, which it does, unquestioningThis scene was lifted from Conan the Barbarianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgN1sLcAQnw
>>25222524are you mentally ill? what kind of person reads books to look for shit like this? nigga just read da fuq, essence over form.
>>25222534>STOP NOTICING!No. I will keep you all updated on Ruocchio's plagiarisms in the future.
>>25221900Bakker
>>25221629That's how I felt until I got to Golden Son and saw that he randomly just got much better at writing.
>>25221859What would you say are some series with good characters and emotions?
>read The Hard SF Renaissance>the best stories are by non-American writersSo much for American SF.
>>25222572NTA but Le Guin's Earthsea.
>>25222572Bakker
I'm relatively unread in fantasy/sci-fi. I'm about to finish A Dance with Dragons and I'm looking for an epic feeling series to get into. I'm considering the Wheel of Time just because it's classic and appropriately epic but was wondering if anyone had any recs. 3+ book series ideally. Open to any sort of fantasy but generally prefer on the grimdark side of things. But the most important is the feeling of an epic sort of saga.
>>25222581Bakker
>>25222575Interesting. Been hearing good things about this.>>25222576kys
>>25222570And then he does it again in Iron Gold
>>25222585This is why I'm always shocked when people who liked the first three dislike Iron Gold.
Okay the guy replying bakker to everything, got a smirk outta me
>>25221475> I don't care about GRRM as an authorKek I guarantee that this anon is a certified Red Rising and Joe “Lord Grimdark” Abercrombie connoisseur.
>>25222581Robin Hobb's Realms of the Elderlings.
>>25222581> But the most important is the feeling of an epic sort of sagaYou can’t go wrong with Memory, Sorrow and Thorn on this count. A nice combination of epic and traditional with the beginnings of what would become grimdark (it is not grimdark at all but it has some gritty elements). Aside from obviously LOTR, which I assume you’re not interested but it is THE fantasy book.The First Law trilogy is a fun ride but personally not my favorite. It is very grimdark, though.
What books go well with this soundtrack?:https://youtube.com/watch?v=8JfsyfLzmDM
are sffg the shonen, capeshit and souls of books?
>>25222390>Ronald Reginaldit's Rolkien Rolkien actually
>>25222563Realest nigga in this entire thread
>>25222676>le epic bacon humorgo back
any SFF books with this feel?
what feel?
a bakker feel...
>>25222795>>25222799>>25222800samefag newfag not knowing how to quote his own posts
but WHO is the king of /sffg/?
>>25222808We will know when they publish books, then do an interview and talk about /lit/ and /sffg/.
Finished Gridlinkedgood but not super
Ok, I loved the first three Earthsea books and I thought the third ended at a fine place.But I decided I might as well try the fourth since I thought the others were really great. However, the intervening 20+ years between publication dates really seems to have done a number on the story.First, what makes the original trilogy unique is the folkloric, almost mythic prose, which is executed really well and feels fresh in a market dominated by Dune-style internal monologue. The first quarter of the book is almost all internal monologue though. Also, hardly anything has happened.I get she wanted to make the story about feminism now, but the medieval setting seems like a weird, almost shoehorned setting for modern feminist concerns of "I can't be CEO (or head sorcerer)." Plus, there is a powerful enchantress mentioned in the first book and then another powerful sorceress welding what is said to be the very advanced magic of shape changing shows up as a key challenge in the first book, while in the second women run the whole religion, but now this seems retconned out, and the only new men introduced are a domestic abuser and then two Hollywood misogynist trope types. Is this the focus for the remaining two books too?
>>25223000The Books were always feminism.
>>25221224I was physicaly cringing for the whole first 150 something pages where the 16 year old mc spends basically all of it naked? Like what the fuck was all that Sando? A virginity inspection? Did we NEED that on the page?
>>25223022I don't see how. Anyhow, I have no problem with feminism, the problem is that the book seems totally different from the earlier series, and the feminism parts are clubbing you over the head.
>>25223000I love LeGuin but it seems to me she quietly resented Earthsea the longer it went on and she became more and more feminist wine aunt as she grew older
I don't read books written by Jews.
>>25223125Who else don't you read books by?
>>25223126Gays. That's it. My only two criteria.
>>25223128What a sad life you must lead.
>>25223132Are you gay or Jewish or both?
>>25223134That's the best comeback you have? Sad and pathetic.
>>25223168Double the victim card, that's pretty good. Not sure if the homosexuality is enough to counteract the Jew when interacting with Palestine loving Leftists, though. You wouldn't happen to be the resident hardcore fedora tipper too, would you?
Iris, by Andrew Gates -- #1 of The Color of Water and Sky.After the nations of the world nuked each other, mankind fled the toxic surface to city-stations at the bottom of the ocean. A couple centuries later, the Atlantic station is on its own and hasn't heard from the other stations in centuries. A couple million people live here, including Iris, a 30-something young woman starting her first job teaching middle school "surface history", a hot topic that many parents think is a hoax since man has always lived at the bottom of the ocean.Meanwhile, a top-secret investigation proceeds into a prototype submarine that was destroyed by enemies unknown, and Iris gets dragged in as a consultant on what on the surface could have possibly destroyed it.This is the first self-published book I've read, and unfortunately it shows. Descriptions are basic, there's a couple grammatical mistakes and typos, and interactions get very repetitive.Iris and the other characters spend a great deal of time worrying about how they look, how others look, and what people think of them. Mixed-race relationships are banned in order to "preserve our heritage and cultures", but she (an Icelandic) is attracted to the middle school science teacher (a Greek), and things happen.Most of the book meanders through Iris starting her job and her childhood friend Trace being an idiot, with the existential threat of "what's out there?" only a minor background thread. At the end of the book, a lot of it remains unknown, and blurbs for later books in the series seemingly have very little in common with this book. Apparently there's a reason this book was in the "FREE" pile.2/5
>>25223128It should be the other way around if anything. Having two criteria for who do read than don't.
>>25223189Seems more like a thriller than anything else.
>>25223217Yeah, probably. I haven't read many of those, but I'm always surprised how large the mystery/thriller section is compared to SFF at libraries. It's usually at least twice as big, but I have no idea who's reading that slop. They're not talked about online nearly as much.I went into this one blind, partly to unbias myself, but mostly because hardly anyone has talked about it online. It's nothing special, so I can see why.
>>25223175> buzzword buzzword buzzword kek, u really are a retard.
Malazan reigns supreme
>>25223125You're missing out, genuinely
A gorgeous, atmospheric debut fantasy that reimagines the Jewish myth of golem in a tale rooted in history, folklore, and sapphic romance—perfect for fans of Katherine Arden, Ava Reid, Hannah Whitten, and Naomi Novik. The forest eats the girls who wander out after dark. As the healer’s daughter, Malka has seen how the curse of the woods has plagued her village, but when the Ozmini Church comes to collect their tithes, they don’t listen to the warnings about a monster lurking in the trees. After a clergy girl wanders too close to the forest and Malka’s mother is accused of her murder, Malka strikes a bargain with a zealot Ozmini priest. If she brings him the monster, he will spare her mother from execution.When she ventures into the blood-soaked woods, Malka finds a monster, though not the one she expects: an inscrutable, disgraced golem who agrees to implicate herself, but only after Malka helps her free the imprisoned rabbi who created her.But a deal easily made is not easily kept. And as their bargain begins to unravel a much more sinister threat, protecting her people may force Malka to endanger the one person she left home to save—and face her growing feelings for the very creature she was taught to fear.
>>25223031> the feminism parts are clubbing you over the headMany such cases
>>25221167>Loved Wind and TruthActually insane. That's one of the worst books I've ever read.
Marlon James ahhh zesty af And he writes like the QUEEN of /sffg/
>>25223000>Women badTrips of truth.
>>25223253>JewishThanks, but I'm with Palestine.
Give me some SFF books with edgy main characters
>>25223388What about Lebanon and Iran?
>>25223415Book of the New Sun
>>25223420I will now read your series.
>>25221201>Has a kid trapped in the ghost dimension with a 20 year old schizophrenic motherHe’s fucked
I just got to the Ares reveal. I didn't expect it.
>>25223616dude does twist very well.
>>25223602With the way sanderson has been writing how people treat Shallan's batshit character, I doubt he'd even allow it to matter.I wish he would let someone, anyone look at Shallan and be like "what the fuck is wrong with her and why is everyone acting like this is normal"but of course he can't do that now, because he might offend irl batshit people.
>>25223415The Real Story, Angus is a sadistic rapist.
>>25223616who? what? book?
>>25223420I will now not read your series.
PKD is the only author I want to read
>>25221900
>>25223649Red Rising series
>>25223737brother...havent got that far in the danny greene video yet, im guessing ares is some red or some bullshit
>>25223415BleakWarrior
>>25223616You should've.
>>25223676Is he a good writer?
>>25223828Yeah, the bestest
>>25223415B-Bakker
>>25223884lol
>>25223415" “Who am I?” the blackness asked.“Cnn-Cnaiür,” he gasped. “M-man-killer . . . M-most v-violent of all men . . .”A slap, open-handed as though he were a slave.“No. I am your *end*. Before your eyes I will put your seed to the knife. I will quarter your carcass and feed it to the dogs. Your bones I will grind to dust and cast to the winds. I will strike down those who speak your name or the name of your fathers, until ‘Yursalka’ becomes as meaningless as infant babble. I will blot you out, hunt down your every trace! The track of your life has come to me, and it goes no further. I am your end, your utter obliteration!”Then torchlight and commotion flooded the darkness. His earlier cries had been heard! He saw bare and booted feet stamp in the mud, heard men curse and grunt. He watched his younger brother do a bare-chested pirouette into the mud, saw his last surviving cousin stumble to his knees, then topple like a drunk into a puddle.“I’m your *Chieftain!*” Cnaiür bellowed. “Challenge me or witness my justice! Either way, justice will be done!”Curiously numb, Yursalka rolled his head through the muck, saw more and more Utemot gather about them. Torches sputtered and hissed in the rain, their orange light bleached white by sporadic flashes of lightning. He saw one of his wives, wrapped only in the bear pelt his father had given her, peering in horror at the spot where he lay. She stumbled toward him, her face vacant. Cnaiür struck her hard, as one might strike a man. She toppled from the pelt, fell motionless and naked at her chieftain’s feet. She looked so cold.“This man,” Cnaiür thundered, “has betrayed his kinsmen on the field of battle!”“To free us!” Yursalka managed to cry. “To release the Utemot from your yoke, your depravity!”“You’ve heard his admission! His life and the lives of all his chattel are forfeit!”“No . . .” Yursalka coughed, but the numbness was reclaiming him. Where was the justice in this? He’d betrayed his chieftain, yes, but for *honour*. Cnaiür had betrayed his chieftain, his father, for the love of another man! For an outlander who could speak killing words! Where was the justice in this?Cnaiür extended his arms as though to grapple the thundering sky. “I am Cnaiür urs Skiötha, breaker-of-horses-and-men, Chieftain of the Utemot, and I have returned from the dead! Who dares dispute my judgment?”The rain continued to spiral down. Save for looks of awe and terror, none dared dispute the madman. "
>>25223189your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25223415Guyal of Sfere
I'm looking for decent stories with protagonists that have a strong sense of justice and zero sexual desire. Something about Paladins that are treated as powerful heroes rather than naive, spineless idiots or psychopaths appeals to me. I hate how modern heroes can only be either strong or moral. Antiheroes feel childish to me.
>>25224112Redwall
>>25224112Solomon Kane.
>>25223125I can't even think of any sffg books written by jews or gays
>>25224220>any sffg books written by jewsthe bible?
>>25223415Every male female relationship in Second Apocalypse is this image lmao
>>25224112Red Rising kind of has this.
I can’t believe people still talk about ASoIaF in the current year. It seems more like a meme that people have to have an opinion on GRRM not finishing Winds of Winter.
>>25224249Darrow doesn't have a strong sense of justice at all. He's less of a paladin and more of a Rebel. A romanticised Rebel, obviously, but he never rises above an antihero.
>>25224244>Every male female relationship in Second Apocalypse is this image lmao>>25223415>Edgy Self-Insert Boy>Naive Helpless Sexy WomanAchamian + Esmenet?Achamian is a whiny middle-aged cuck, who keeps crying first about his dead apprentice, then about apocalypse, then about Esmenet being taken from him.Esmenet is hardly naive, and from third book onwards (after her spectacular career rise) is siccing a bureaucratic apparatus on people like a rabid dog.(" “Well enough,” she replied. “Have them flayed and posted.”The ease with which these words fell from her lips was nothing short of nightmarish. One breath and these men, these piteous fools, would die in torment. A breath that could have been used for anything: a moan of pleasure, a gasp of surprise, a word of mercy …This, she understood, was power: the translation of word into fact. She need only speak and the world would be rewritten. Before, her voice could conjure only custom, ragged breaths, and quickened seed. Before, her cries could only forestall affliction and wheedle what small mercies might come. But now her voice had *become* that mercy, that affliction.")Ikurei Xerius + Ikurei Istriya?...lol, seriously?Cnaiur (or Kellhus) + Serwe?While technically yes, this is more of a deconstruction at how disturbing this is.Cnaiur is a blackpilled embodiment of the collapse of meaning.Kellhus is a tunnel-visioned biorobot.And Serwe is an example of an abuse victim who had been so consistently beaten down throughout her life that her only way to reclaim some sense of agency and control over her life is to convince herself that suffering and being a concubine breeding sow is actually a super-important role, given to her by divine providence. (contrast that to Esmenet, who gets from Kellhus feminism 101 speech, because she's intelligent and actually useful)Achaimian + Mimara?Mimara is not naive and is a True ProphetSorwheel + SerwA?Sorwheel is a whiny indecisive schizo, fighting off divine possession.And Serwa is a half-Dunyain, who can beat down a dragon.
>>25224220Robert Silverberg
>>25224220Harlan Ellison
>>25223300that tier list is clearly bait, anon. Legit kek'd when I first saw it
>>25223300Is it really that bad? Like worse that oathbringer and rythm of war?
>>25224456Even many people who liked and defended Rhythm of War were unable to do the same for Wind and Truth.
Four of the best authors on the planet…
I'm looking for a very particular kind of plot. I want a story where an older male teacher takes on a younger female student, and grooms her into being his romantic partner. Do any anons have recs?
>>25223940Oh yeah I remember this stupid early arc. It was pages if dialogue like this that made me initially not like Cnauir, what a simple character he needed to be in these specific contexts for Bakker to make his stupid le subversive point.I mean Cnauir didnt actually become more complicated but he became more interesting as soon as he found Kellhus, because he actually introduced new understandings and filled in gaps previously not known
>>25224304>Esmenet is hardly naiveretard
>>25223949Still not Yev. You're losing your touch. No one likes an indiscriminate replier. Show some discernment.
>>25224527Day and night, lonely anon tries to free his mind at night,At, at, at night,He keeps asking for the Lolita fantasyBut lonely anon can only put his hands on me,Trying to stroke away the pain with a bodypillow,He wilts away in the darkness, a drooping willow,He wishes his name was Humbert Humbert,A literary paedophilic parodic hyperbolic,So crumble the weed and let’s get chronically bubonic, Day and night, lonely anon would lead on Mama Haze,The spark of his loins would set ablaze the days,He fishes for Dolores Haze, Lolita, plain Lo,He wants a nubile bitch, an underage hoe,Day and night, lonely anon tries to free his mind at night,He wants to steal away the children away from sight,At, at, at night, lonely anon wants to loosen what is forever tight,He wants to upturn the stars and wrong what’s right
>>25224631>she frequently makes terrible decisionsAs opposed to whom? Every POV makes terrible decisions, including Kellhus himself ("I should have killed him.")As for intellectual capacity, however, Esmenet is established to be very perceptive from the very first book:(" “Shouldn’t—” Esmenet began, but she paused when the two men looked at her strangely. “Shouldn’t the question be, Why have the *Scarlet Spires* accepted Maithanet’s offer? What could induce a *School* to join a Holy War? They make for odd bedfellows, don’t you think? Not so long ago, Akka, you feared that the Holy War would be declared against the Schools.”There was a moment of silence. Inrau smiled as though amused by his own stupidity. From this moment on, Esmenet realized, Inrau would look upon her as an equal in these matters. Achamian, however, would remain aloof, the judge of all questions. As was proper, perhaps, given his calling. ")By the 4th book, she goes into full literary analysis mode, which is by definition the opposite of being simplictic/guileless/credulous:("The poet was playing some kind of game—that much was obvious. Nevertheless, the elegance and imagistic splendour of the ensuing story quickly swept her away, and she decided to overlook what was at most a gesture to impertinence. What great artist failed to punish their patron? Afterwards she would decide that the insult was rather clumsy, no more subtle than the slit gowns worn by the Priestess-Whores of Gierra. Had Nel-Saripal been a greater poet, a rival to Protathis, say, the attack would have been more devious, more cutting—and well nigh impossible to punish. *Monius* would have been one of those deliciously barbed works, cutting those with the fingers to touch, and baffling the palms of all the others.But her misgivings continued to plague her. Again and again, during whatever thoughtful lull her schedule permitted, she found herself reciting the line: *Momemn is the fist in our breast, the beating _heart_... Momemn... Momemn...* At first she took his reference to Momemn at face value—perhaps because of the way the city and its convolutions encircled her apartments on the Andiamine Heights. Nel-Saripal, she assumed, had restricted his symbolic mischief to the latter half of the formula: The literal Momemn was the metaphoric heart. But the substitutions, she realized, went deeper, the way they always did when it came to poets and their obscure machinations. Momemn wasn't the heart, it was the *heart's location*. It too was a cipher...Momemn was *her*, she finally decided. Now that her divine husband had taken the field against the Consult, *she* was the fist in her people's breast. She was the heart that beat them. **Nel-Saripal, the thankless ingrate, was calling her a thug. A tyrant.**")
>>25224527fbi.gov
>>25224249Darrow has had like two hot wives and he would die for both of them. How is that no sexual desire?
I like jack vance who are some others like him? I tried gene wolf but not quite what I was looking for
>>25224772Michael Swanwick is kind of a postmodern Vance.
>>25224374>>25224375>>25224375
>>25224772Matthew Hughes and Michael Shea
>>25224682I'd give you a lengthier response if I trusted that you could actually understand it. So instead I will tell you to go search up tv tropes and look for the "informed ability" trope. Because the things you think count as evidence, are the exact reason a catalogue of tropes exist, because there are a certain class of people that engage with media, and writing on such a surface level, that they do not understand what is actually going on with the writing on a foundational basis, they do not understand all the tricks writers play to cheat having to actually write well.I would also implore you to search up a concept called "lampshading". Because quoting "evidence" from the book that contradicts previously implied principles, does not erase the poor writing, it just means the writer tried to patch it up cheaply.Seriously I am trying to be as nice and respectful to you as possible, because I genuinely respect and commend how unfathomable it is that you always have a perfectly ready relevant series of quotes. I respect that effort, so if you do the two things I asked you to do, I will believe that you respect my effort too, and engage with you just as honestly.I read all your quotes, I have a counter argument for everyone of them. I just dont believe you'll get it without the right foundation.
gotta admit, towards the middle Will of Many has me completely hooked. its flat in terms of characterisation, but very well crafted in terms of plot architecture ... so far
>>25224112David Gemmell. I personally love his Jerusalem man trilogy. MC is like a cowboy paladin
>>25223415GAYgive me SFF books with THIS feel?
>>25224304I mean I did reply that mostly in jest.However it is true that the women are always vulnerable and helpless in Bakker. That is just the setting. Even Serwa has to be saved by Sorweel at one point. Oh and yes they are all sexy. Even the granny can get it.
>>25224527Bakker. Actually.
>>25224838What the fuck is this appeal to 'tv tropes' are you some kind of retard? Speaking of class? class? Your judgment on what is good or bad writing comes from if it's listed as part of some sort of 'bad writing' category on tvtropes.org...? This is cattle class behaviour.
>>25225335If you don't have an argument you can just say that and move on.
>95% flashback>not even pretending to have an endingThe world was cool, but how does anyone say that you're just supposed to read this first book?
>>25225342There is clearly an argument. However I guess... Maybe because it's not listed on tv tropes you can't parse it?
>Ah shit guys... I just found out Kafka played into the 'Youngest child wins' trope. Fuck. To think I once respected this guys writing.
i will NOT read bakker
>>25225369Ginny Weasley
>>25225369>>25225355Be nice to the Bakker-critic. He's genuinely autistic so you shouldn't be a bully. He can be annoying at times, but he will occasionally make a valid point
>>25225393I can't help it. Especially not after >>25224631 and >>25224838 These are insanely embarrassing posts. Everything about it just screams low literacy. Bakker-critic needs to go read some 'real' literature to adjust his brain to how good writing actually works. I already know he dosen't have any credentials as a critic.This is just the cherry on top. His foundations is tvtropes.org. He isn't comparing it to other works of literature because he lacks the foundations to do so. He is functionally illiterate. Probably a /v/ tranny at heart.
>Conan the Barbarian meets Dawn of the DeadSomeone read pic related and then report back if it's any good.
>>25221672I’m about 2/3 of the way through now. The book is okay. The ambience it elicits and the imagined feats of engineering are better than the story so far.
Bros...
>>25225472roast that dumbass best to just make fun of people like that and ignore anything they try and say
>>25225638How much money this nigga got?
Don't forget to report and ignore underage newfags like >>25223949 who actively contribute to off-topic discussion and have been spamming off-topic for over four years.>>21323327 (Dead)>>25222626>normalfag can only imagine other megapopular authorsLOL what an uncreative abortion reject>>25224112Pic related.
>>25225472A rare instance in which a frogposter is not acting profoundly retarded. You are correct in that Bakkerfag came from /v/.
>>25225472He found 4chan during the 2016 wave and has been shitting up the joint ever since.
Read a real book. Stop consuming fucking useless garbage.
>>25225692Anon, that post was making fun of Bakker-critic, not Bakkerfag. It should be obvious even without context. Not a good look for anti-Bakkers
>>25225682It was only $250.
>>25221215he got power cucked and WILL lose in the end like ALL evil doers
>>25225692Anon, that frogposter was the Bakkerfag.
At least ebook page spammer finally fucked off.
>>25225812No, he's still here and has recently posted? Can you not tell his posts unless there's an image attached?
>>25225814Shut up, tranny
I am about to run a shilling campaign on TikTok to get people to read Rage of Dragons, but there is no fanart to use. I'm serious, it all sucks. And if I use AI, they're gonna call it slop.
>>25225811this. frogposter tried to adhominem, discredit the source of the argument, not the validity of the argument itself. might be tu quoque too
>>25225834Based, guess you better get good at drawing.I thought I was the only one here who's read that.
>>25225854The plan is to get enough people involved so pressure is put on Winter to get the next one out. He's had it too good for too long.
>>25225854There are several who have read it ,including me.
>Sanderson wrote and stuck to the boring and imbalanced magical systems of Allomancy, Feruchemy, and Hemalurgy, just for the sake of how they might possibly be cool in Mistborn books 11-13 in 2042Un-fackin-believable
Reading this as I listen to dub is the most relaxing experience, highly recommend everyone read Marlon James.
>>25225912Who doesn't love gay hyena gang rape?
>>25225922Aren’t the hyenas lesbians with pseudopenises? I got into Marlon James because I want to read from other cultures. I’m bored of New England American and British authors.
>>25225927He's not really another culture.
"Rape, torture, murder and other dehumanizing acts propel the narrative, never failing to shock in both their depravity and their humanness. It is this complex intertwining that makes James’s book so disturbing and so eloquent."The same could be said of Bakker.
>>25225946He takes from European myth but it is syncretised with African stories and folklore. It’s supposed to be vibrant rather than monochromatic, and there’s a place for all cultures in this work.
https://reactormag.com/2026-hugo-awards-finalists/Hugo nominees are out, thoughts?
>>25225950It’s just the same magazines and publishers dominating the awards. Well done to the authors, but it kinda sucks Tor gets all the novellas and then Neil Clarke complains about it, when he always wins short story awards for Clarkesworld. It’s just an incestuous pit and I think someone here should make a pro-rate magazine to make a stand against this ubiquity of the same four or five powerful editors or publishers.
>>25225955ntaYou may not realize that TOR and Clarkesworld win because they're free to read online. Several other pro magazines exist, but they have to be paid for. Since it's a popularity contest of course the free to read win because they're the most read by far.
>>25225950Jackson is going to win again. Maybe he'll even win again with the third book. Not that that will reduce the griping about Jemisin's three consecutive wins.
>>25225971TOR’s novellas aren’t free from what I can tell. Neil Clarke gets assmad they always win novella awards because he’s trying to win them.
I appreciate Lord Dunsany being included in the charts, but he is in there not nearly enough.
>>25225950>Hugo, GirlThat's a funny name for a podcast.
There are good books, and then there are GOOD booksThe last book I read that was truly good was the Lord of LightI need something new that really hitsRecommend meI've read all wolfe and vance books
>>25225971https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250357472/automaticnoodle/TOR charge $13 for their ebooksIf you want to get the most money out of writing, just send novellas to whichever literary agents or submissions portal takes Tor’s novellas
>>25225976Thats true. Their free stuff is under Reactor now, though there are a few that are both free and sold standalone. The difference in that case is that novellas range from 17,500-39,999 words. The standalone novellas from TORDOTCOM tend to be on the higher end of that, closer to novels, while Clarkesworld is at the much lower end. The novel reading is much larger than the short fiction reading audience and TOR is the largest sff publisher. So it's another case that Clarkesworld simply isn't popular enough and there's not much that can be done about that unless reader preferences change.
>>25225984>page count 176I don't know what the word count is in that, but it must be nearing the minimum length for a SFF novel as per established standards and consensus. Otherwise, yeah.
They came. Also finished Hyperion.
>>25225950>thoughts?I think these awards have been irrelevant for a few decades.
>>25225982Ursula K. Le Guin.
>>25225884>>25225870>>25225834>One in every two thousand women has the power to call down dragons... One in every hundred men is able to magically transform himself into a bigger, stronger, faster killing machine...>Winters is winner of the Reddit/fantasy award...>African-inspired epic fantasy...Holy... So this is... Kamalacore... This is blm meets Sanderson...All I have to say is please, please fuck my wife
>>25226012how much did it all cost
>>25226216He paid a lot of shekels. At least 200 new Israeli shekels.
>>25225811Frogposter here and no I am not the Bakker fag I swear.
>>25226012They came and so did I.
Someone gives a suggestion to K.J. Parker to write a trilogy about a fantasy medieval memory master similar to Ramon Lull, Giordano Bruno, etc., pretty please? It would be rad. Especially if those memory techniques result in MAGIC.
was he right about Tolkien?
>>25226235Just post his quote on /tg/ if you want (you)s.>>>/tg/97905461
I'm reaching a breaking point. It might be time to give up. I already took a step towards what is necessary. Tomorrow barring no distractions, it will be decided.
>>25226238but it was already posted there so i will not get any of (you) if i post there
If you don’t think Bakker is a hack after finishing The Unholy Consult then you are retarded.
>>25226254Just wait a month.
>>25223000Help, now the MC is internal monologue ruminating on how her son never calls...
>>25226266sounds like a shit son (me)
>>25225950The age of white boys is over.
>>25226305nice ragebait retard
>>25226339Name one white male author in 2026
>>25226361Sanderson
>>25226369Even if we include him, and ignore the fact he has the Mormon mafia behind him, he is an outlier. White boys are a minority now! Kek!
>>25226369You said name oneHe didYou got BTFO
Thoughts on pic rel? I love SCP.
>>25226394forgot to upload pic
Whiteys be demons, yall!
>>25226361Andy WeirJoe AbercombieBrian Lee DurfeeJohn RingoMark LawrenceMyke ColeJohn R. FultzJim ButcherLaird BarronJohn LanganJohn C. WrightJonathan MayberryD.M. RitzlinHowie K. Bentley
>>25226435Most of these were established names 10 years ago. Which of these debuted last year or this year? 0.
>>25226255I thought so after finishing thousandfold thought, but unholy consult was better
>naomii have a 16 year old son and the father is the guy who destroyed earth>holden:)
>>25226361Christopher Ruocchio looks exactly how I envisioned him.
>>25226740Hes a loveable little chud
>>25226791I often treat with him harshly but truth is, I would't keep reading him if he wasn't good. And he is. God bless him.
>>25226827Hi Chris, why are you so fat?
