>>25221184
perhaps they are writers who are taking note of the type of writing they would like to create

I take notes in a separate notebook. Stuff along the lines of:

"Chapter One: <Title>

Plot: the protag joins the army
Charac: Sgt. Flint comes off as stern but also fair
Style: KJV-esque 'x and y and z'
Theme/concept?: four seasons mentioned, four books at the library, four soldiers playing cards
Backdrop: the bootcamp's name seems to evoke West Point
Etc."

>>25221184
Look up what a "note" is.

>>25221184
it's all just like hearts and underlines and "yes!" or "love this" and they do it because reading is performative for them and they photograph it for instagram

>>25221184
List some of the fiction you have read, we should be able to find a few books that I can prove you to be an uncomprehending retard with.

>>25221227
Sometimes I see them point out metaphors or alliteration, like you're instructed to do in junior high english

>>25221230
Calm down foid, feeling called out are we?

>>25221227
It's called soul you wouldn't get it

>>25221242
>deflects away the challenge
I am not feeling called out in the slightest, just figured a very direct and tangible demonstration of why would be the most effective way of answering the question. List some books, unless you already know the answer.

>>25221209
...why?

>>25221230
The most recent for me was The Fifth Head of Cerberus. But a better question; Why the fuck are you acting like reading fiction is a school assignment? Do you have autism?

>>25221184
Yeah

>>25221227
you moron, it's like underlining anything that resonates with you, except girls often like love hearts too. so they also put a love heart next to it. it's crazy right? ever been in a female's bedroom? they decorate everything. shelves, phone case, laptop lid, even fucking lip balm containers.

and no, they don't do it because it's performative, they do it because they enjoy it and enjoy sharing the things they enjoy. fucking dumb ass incel

>>25221184
to translate it into foidthink

>>25221271
When I want to do this I use a bookmark (usually a strip torn off of junk mail so as to be #sustaimable) rather than fuck up the book with annotations.

>and enjoy sharing the things they enjoy
Yes, the purpose of it is to perform in front of others.

because foids are performatives and seek approval all the time, they are also the only ones who take photos of the book they're currently reading. And their notes are such nonsensical phrases where some character said an 'impactful' statement

>>25221242
If this thread and the others like it are anything to go by, the men here are especially resentful when confronted with any indication that women might be engaging with literature more deeply than them.
>women read more books than men?! uhhh it's all smut!
>women are active note takers when they read? pfft performative!

>>25221184
Women are stupid.

>>25221280
>they are also the only ones who take photos of the book they're currently reading
There used to be a lot of threads here with people showing off their latest hauls especially from second hand book shops. I'm sure that's different for some reason though.

>>25221251
Women don't have souls.

>>25221281
Buddy I begged several exes to be into anything deeper than internet lolcow cancer. You completely fail to understand men.

>>25221227
>because reading is performative for them
crazy talk. if anything, reading is performative for men (#notallmen). they're the ones that will only read off of lists instead of just whatever they want, calculate the prestige ROI of a book before reading, and can't fathom why someone would want to underline a favorite passage.

>>25221260
The art of literature is not in the act of reading.

>>25221279
>than fuck up the book with annotations.
annotations improve books

Why wouldn't someone tag favorite sections of books they love? Sometimes I think the posters here don't actually like to read.

>>25221286
>they're the ones that will only read off of lists
Lmao women read primarily the same YA romantasy slop on the NYT bestseller list.

>>25221286
>they're the ones that will only read off of lists instead of just whatever they want,
I read nonfiction to learn new ideas, hence lists of books that are related to things I'm already interested in are a great way to find books full of interesting things. Your presupposition that reading must be an act of self affirmation says a lot about you
>calculate the prestige ROI of a book before reading
No one outside of a very particular type of child does this. Again, the fact that you confuse the male tendency to seek out "great literature" for this is extremely telling.
>and can't fathom why someone would want to underline a favorite passage.
That is not what we're discussing in this thread.

>>25221281
the thing is that these men genuinely believe that women cannot engage with literature deeply at all. the thing I don't understand is why it would matter to them if women could or couldn't? replace it with anything else and it just sounds bizarre
>there's no way that slovakian is reading deeply!! performative!!!!!
??

>>25221296
mmmmm, you sound like a poseur and a virgin. enjoy your two years of reading before you give it up for something easier like video games and porn, scrote.

>>25221298
They don't actually believe it. They just need it to be true because if it's not true then one quickly realizes it's men more than women driving the general decline in culture.
>>25221294
Not true. Lots of women are into Jane Austen and the Brontës which is why their works are always fueling new screen adaptations.
While I've met many men who only read fantasy, even the biggest fantasy fans among women tend to also find the time to branch out somewhat.

>>25221289
That's the most miserable thing I've ever heard.

>>25221290
I almost only buy used books and I've never enjoyed or gotten value from annotations except when they're really stupid or super dense for the first 15% of the book and are then totally absent (in which cases they make me chuckle).

Am I just smarter than all of you ladies?

>>25221301
If you ever look at men's reading lists or shelves versus women's, you can tell. Men's are very rigid, always the same prescribed books, whether they're sff flavored or "great literature."
They wouldn't know what to read if reddit and/or Harold Bloom didn't tell them. They read Moby Dick and then expect everyone to suck them off even though we've all read Moby Dick too. Meanwhile even the romantasy hags are mixing in classics, contemporary lit, manga/comics, mystery, and horror into their reads. Probably because they genuinely enjoy reading.

>>25221299
I grew up reading classics and shit, I continue to do so because it's fun and interesting. I don't understand people(?) like you who treat reading like some hallowed vocation in itself divorced from particulars.

I'm glad my superiority is causing you anguish though, don't cut yourself too deep tonight.

>>25221302
>I almost only buy used books and I've never enjoyed or gotten value from annotations except when they're really stupid or super dense for the first 15% of the book and are then totally absent (in which cases they make me chuckle).
Like any of us are selling our beloved annotated books. I have books on my shelves that I've annotated and have gotten other people to annotate alongside me. They'll be with me until I die. Idiot.

>>25221302
So the art of painting is looking at pictures? it has nothing to do with painting?

>>25221304
reddit spacing

>>25221303
hahaha yes and they post on bookshelf detective on reddit to ensure they are projecting the image they want. wow immaculate taste! probably haven't even read half of them

>>25221312
I wouldn't know, I don't go on reddit.

>>25221314
it's a place where people go to pretend to not post their own bookshelf and say 'what can you tell me about this guy i'm about to fuck?' based on a picture of the bookshelf. and the comments are usually people saying 'omg is he single' or 'wow i'd love to be friends with the person!'

>>25221303
I completely agree. I've had guy friends try to get back into reading do this exact thing. They don't even pick up something that sounds interesting to them. They choose whatever is short and has sufficient acclaim. Then they get bored, fail to understand it, and give up. If they manage to finish, then they usually download a 'default' interpretation from somewhere online and completely sidestep any personal or unique engagement with the text.

>>25221301
Jane Austen is one of my favorite authors but she wasn't exactly Tolkein or Tolstoy. Also I've never met a woman under 40ish who enjoyed her books.

>>25221303
Are you making this up or do you live in some bizarre South American country where these are people you know in real life. I've never met anyone who even begins to fit either of these archetypes. Men are stereotypically disposed towards history and nonfiction if anything.

>>25221306
Ah so you were just projecting your own subjective esteem of your own annotations onto any random markup anyone else might make.

>>25221309
Been here since 2012 newniggerfag. Not this board though.

>>25221308
Depends, art can exist only in a cultural context which gives it meaning and there is no culture without people—hence, an audience. I do think a single person can create art deeply meaningful to themselves and it is art in that monadic(?) context but generally speaking writers write for others. The *craft* of the art of literature certainly resides mainly in the creative process but at the end of the day if your work doesn't touch the souls of the intended audience in something vaguely like the way you intended then I'd say your art has failed: So yeah I suppose in a sense consumption of art is where the artiness comes from.

>>25221316
Oh you mean guys posting their Kafka-Joyce-Dostoevsky bookshelves and expecting everyone to fall over finding ourselves in the presence of an intellectual giant? Lol, they do that here too sometimes.

>>25221184
What the fuck is wrong with you? You're only allowed to insult men, you fucking douche canoe.

>>25221324
Reddit.

>>25221271
NTA but I wouldn’t call it performative so much as I would really childish, my wife doesn’t do this, but you younger women seem to, grow up will you. You’re sperging out like a retard.
>>25221290
How? Tell me without sounding like a dimwit with poor retention skills.

>>25221320
>I've never met anyone who even begins to fit either of these archetypes. Men are stereotypically disposed towards history and nonfiction if anything.
I've worked in a bookstore for like a decade, but I'm sure you know better than me. And yes, you're right about men mostly gravitating to nonfiction, but we're talking about novels here genius.

>Ah so you were just projecting your own subjective esteem of your own annotations onto any random markup anyone else might make.
No, idiot. You said you got these from used bookstores. So you're buying someone else's unwanted books - the school books they may have started making notes in before their work ethic gave up, books they began annotating before they lost interest either in the annotations or the book entirely. I have books with entire conversations in the margins, and you'll never ever see them.

>>25221320
>waffle
I never said or implied that reading did not matter, just that the art is not in the act of reading, which you just admitted is true. So how about you bring it back around to the point?

>>25221334
>I've wasted my time arguing with a poorfag wagie

>I have books with entire conversations in the margins, and you'll never ever see them.
If only your posts shared that fate.

Lotta simps, incels and women itt. Gotta love it

>>25221337
No I (while admittedly waffling because I've never really thought about it before) said that it's mostly in the act of reading, I thought that would be obvious when I said that art must be perceived in order for it to be art (or however I worded it).

That said, it's past my bedtime so it' sleepytime tea and no more 4channel for me.

>>25221339
I am a proud divorced incel

>>25221333
ohhh anon, I didn't know your wife the reader was the model woman of all women readers! I am a 30+ wife too so what does this mean? what does age or marital status have to do with any of this? I like underlining and I like love hearts. I'll be doing love hearts when I'm 80 too. Are you going to tell an 80 yo woman to grow up? I think YOU should grow up, retard

>>25221344
>admits to waffle
>waffles again
Unless you are now going to say the art is 100% in the act of reading so you can avoid addressing the original point and having to admit defeat or even engaging in discussion, that doesn't change anything.

>>25221346
Chill out troon, we're talking about real women

>>25221184
the same reason that Hegel stays on their shelf in pristine condition. concepts that revolve around hypotheticals instead of someone's imagination are foreign to the femoid mind.

>>25221359
fuck yourself anon

>>25221344
>I am a proud divorced incel
Good lad, no nagging women as your side = bliss
>>25221346
Hahahaha, funny post!

>>25221184
I'm currently annotating a book with the intention of putting it in a free little library once I'm done. I do it because it's fun and it helps me understand the book on a deeper level.

>>25221374
As long as you’re doing it well, and it’s a book that warrants annotation, that’s perfectly fine.

>>25221374
Notice this person just admitted to doing it for an imaginary audience. It's. All. Performative.

>>25221381
No one will ever know it's me though? I'm not attaching my name to it and I'm not taking photos of it. Why would you object to this?

>>25221381
How can it be performative if the audience is imaginary?

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>>25221381
well it sounds like a lovely project to me incel

>>25221381
what about the idea of performing for oneself? we all need an identity or a story to tell ourselves about who we are. it's the same way everyone here is performing as anon for anon. what compels one to behave this way? it's because we are our most important audience and if we don't have a story to tell ourselves then we just float around in nihilism - because what the fuck is the point of anything then? let anon be the anon who writes thoughtful annotations to release into the abyss. let the other anon be the anon who rolls around in his own filth on 4chan

>>25221184
they are performative

>>25221396
don't bother typing if you have nothing to contribute. nobody wants to hear from you.

Can’t we all just… get along? guys, love the women, women, love the guys. We need each other (as a collective at least) for reasons beyond procreation, you all know this. I love you all, may you all thrive xoxo (kisses and hugs)

>>25221184
they are grifting performers like their face

it's pretty funny when people proudly announce to the world how sexually frustrated they are

Anything involving physical books is performative - reading via your phone is a much better way to read.

Science H. Christ, my professors would beat your ASS for chudding this hard re the superior sex. This is why you dicks get circumcised as babies. Payback is a bastard.

>>25221397
OP asked and I answred: they are performative, why? Because they are indeed performative

>>25221395
also if you just swap out the word performative for something operational like 'connecting to a network of people', maybe you will understand one of the strengths of women, in that they are good at creating social bonds and it protects them from killing themselves in droves

Why does everyone on /lit/ fucking despise each other?

>>25221455
They don't, they despise themselves.

>>25221320
>Also I've never met a woman under 40ish who enjoyed her books.
As I said, her works are constantly being readapted for the screen. P&P, S&S, Emma, and Persuasion have each had adaptations within the past six years. That's unlikely to be the case if there's little interest among the cohort of women most active on social media.

>>25221455
It gets a bit tiresome when you see daily threads attacking women simply for existing. Then you realize that's more or less how a substantial portion of men secretly think but they simply don't have a safe space to say it.

>>25221184
They dont. Women are performative readers. They need to stuff an entire goddamn rainbow into their books to signal to others that they're capable of thought.

As someone who actually does annotate books, I can tell you I use zero fucking sticky notes, or tabs, or whatever the fuck they're called. They serve no purpose.

>>25221490
Yeah, well I feel the same way about women constantly attacking men, except they do it in public, in the media, the education system, the government, and in entertainment, because it's socially acceptable. So maybe stop being so fragile when guys make fun of your dumb habits.

was reading a book on psychoanalysis and cracked up when i saw the previous owner had written in the margins DREAMS = DOORWAY TO UNCONSCIOUS

>>25221500
if you're older than 15 you're embarrassing yourself

>>25221494
oh yes, since tabs serve no purpose to you, they mustn't serve a purpose at all! fucking retard

>>25221500
If you're tired of the gender wars then why would you import them here? That's idiotic. You're not even responding to the actual criticisms being made of men anyway. You're nitpicking about the act of annotating books. How is that not the most unbelievably frivolous and pointless complaint imaginable?
>So maybe stop being so fragile when guys make fun of your dumb habits.
Yes because men are always so level headed when women call attention to their behavior.

>>25221283
Lots of women browsing this board. They read more than man after all statistically so it makes sense

>>25221184
Not a woman, nor will I ever be one, but recently having used some cute colored bookmarks to readily locate the part in ISOLT dealing with Marcel's struggle with the grief he experienced after the illness and death of his grandma would have been neat
Instead all I could do was say to myself
>oh yeah there is some wisdom and poignant passages about halfway through book 3 of this one million words doorstopper that would have been neat to reread currently. Oh well

>>25221383
Everyone here is anonymous nut has never stopped anons from posting in pointless bookshelf threads or rate my hauls threads or avatar fag with jojo pics
Narcissist are simply weird like that

>>25221406
Never said I was proud of it

>>25221461
Ouch

>>25221469
Women like period pieces and cute dresses and those titles are in a feedback loop where they get an adaptation that makes them recognisable which makes people curious to check out the next adaptation to see what the fuss is all about which makes them even more recognisable and therefore ripe for a new adaptation and so on
Plenty of women in my group went to watch that new wuthering heights movie, very few had already read it, only one bothered to do so in preparation to it or afterwards

>>25221490
Oh grow a pair

>>25221511
Please explain the purpose of having 20 green tabs, 40 pink tabs, 10 yellow tabs, and 20 blue tabs all layered over one another. Any explanation at all will do.

>>25221512
>You're not even responding to the actual criticisms being made of men anyway.
Why would respond to baseless accusations that don't even apply to me?

>>25221512
It's important to call out women on their bullshit. Not doing so has led to this current matriarchal circus we're all trapped in.

Don't women do silly things? Like reading porn on the train and annotating it like it's a college textbook? It's silly no matter how you look at it. Maybe you should just laugh it off and agree "yeah, I guess it is silly," and move on with your day. But no, you have to have a meltdown as if someone just raped you and defend the actions of an entire gender in some pathetic act of tribalism. Because a stranger on the internet called out some silly behavior. Grow up.

>>25221599
They’re not a very self aware bunch. They’ll defend literally any retarded thing many of them do. Watch as I get a seething response to this post.

>>25221571
for this level of annotation, an example could be they need to write an essay. and instead of just googling or using chatgpt, perhaps they are trying to read the book and get lots of different examples to argue their case. the different colours can be used for different themes, characters...
another example could be they enjoy playing detective with a book and want to find all kinds of little hints for this that and the other. that's just how they like to engage with the book.
personally, i will start using tabs so i can be more prepared for the book club i started to attend. this week was the first one i went to and i just couldn't easily find the part i wanted to reference.
i just don't get how men can be so aggressively baffled by a different way of doing things.

>>25221490
Women aren't being "attacked" for "simply existing", they're being rightfully criticized for being agents in the destruction of Western civilization.

GOD I hate women SO much it’s unreal.
And this thread serves to fuel that hatred

>>25221756
oh gotcha. didn't realize writing a heart next to a good sentence was summoning the apocalypse. i'll stop now.

>>25221536
What exactly do you come to a lit board for? It doesn't sound like you like anyone sharing what they read at all, in the off chance it's purely "performative." What do you think people do here?

>>25221571
Tabs have only been useful for me when I've hosted online book clubs and had to write up prompts and summaries. I'd use different colors to mark different things, like yellow for a new character intro, green a potential discussion prompt, blue a quote to pull, red something to research further, etc. But they were very useful for that.

>>25221756
>women are using colorful bookmarks! The West has fallen!

>>25221804
>What exactly do you come to a lit board for?
Discuss literature
>What do you think people do here?
Make off topic /pol/ or /r9k/ posts

I buy used books almost exclusively. When i get one that has been trashed with a bunch of hearts and notes I know it's likely that whomever did the annotating has died and they push broomed the contents of her apartment onto the thrift market. I take it upon myself to tear a few pages out and send it back telling them it's incomplete so they burn it. If you do stupid shit like mark up books with meaningless garbage, do the world a favor and have them dump that trash in the hole you get buried in. It'll likely be big enough.

If you aren't taking notes, you aren't reading long enough shit.

>>25221815
>Discuss literature
Sure doesn't seem like you're doing much discussion. Seems like you come to whine everyone but you is performative. It's exhausting. People like you make every place they inhabit worse. Do the world a favor. You know what to do.

>>25221490
>It gets a bit tiresome when you see daily threads attacking women simply for existing
I usually think the "simply for existing" accusation is overblown, but attacking women for using bookmarks, especially on a novel frequently assigned in classes, is really next level sour grapes on a literature forum.
And a person marking up Stoner is probably a man anyway - acting like men aren't the ones rainbow tagging the shit out of books like Infinite Jest is new for this board. These r9k posters that have infiltrated everywhere are really the worst society has to offer.
I'm thinking about becoming a simp.

>>25221819
Don't buy used books if you don't want used books?

>>25221184
Perfomative reading for themselves, it convince the foid's mind that she understood what she read.

>>25221906
>Perfomative
I don't think you know what this words means.

>>25221909
oops
>>25221906
*r

>>25221903
Used like a book, not toilet paper.

>>25221896
I haven't used the word performative once itt, but it does seem like you feel attacked and would rather believe that you are fighting a battle against a solitary poster rather than the pushbike against your faggy behaviors and quirks being due to a general cordial and less than cordial distaste for your lame ways
This regardless of your sex btw. Stack threads and shelf thread here aren't any less gay than women posting their annotated slop on social media. If anything they are more excusable for women since I generally think less of them

>>25221902
>I'm thinking about becoming a simp.
You don’t have to hate women, it’s actually really asinine and self defeating when you focus your hate on half the world’s population. But don’t say this, because you look like a real fucking loser. Unless you’re joking, which I doubt.

>>25221271
Found the foid

>>25221925
I'm not reading all this incel.

>>25221953
>exhibiting signs of illiteracy on /lit/
Hmm

>>25221946
Probably a troon, performing femininity. Real women are all about the narrative of something, and perform caring. The troons perform the performing of caring.

>>25221953
He cooked your ass frfr nigga

>>25221227
Femgroids got offended by your reply

>>25221301
You equate the decline in culture to the percentage of people reading novels, which doesn't actually matter very much.

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>>25221958
refusing to read your schizoid slop doesn't mean i'm illiterate incel

>>25222096
One, I didn’t write it
Two, im not an incel, sorry. I know that’s hard to cope with, after all, how else will you be able to look down on a man calls you a retard?!
Stop acting like an emotionally stunted child please.

>>25222093
What a train wreck, I don’t care whether women or men do it, it’s fucking retarded

>>25222105
no one gives one solitary shit what you think about anything incel
not a single thought that has ever gone through that ugly, acne riddled head of yours has ever concerned anyone else, not even your mother

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>>25221184
it's an ephemeral habit that leads to poor digestion of the source material, the most obvious culprit being that if you want to read the book again, you're just re-reading your notes and not experiencing it as it was.

>>25222114
Who cares? It sounds nice to to have a map of your experience of a book to revisit. I don't annotate my books, but I think I'm going to start thanks to this thread.
Posters here are getting worse and worse.

reading this thread leads me to believe the average age of this board is now 14

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fuuuuuuuuuuck The guys in this thread are annoying. I never thought I'd side with foids but I'm starting to see the point of that 'let people enjoy things' comic. Who fucking cares what other people do with their books?

>>25222125
It’s both sides, honestly, it’s not a sex thing, just the people in this thread who are kinda immature. I’ve never really been for annotating myself but I think it’s fucking retarded how it bothers people here. And thus the defenders (if you will) are fighting fire with fire, which only gets hotter!

>>25222125
So you're saying that people should just be able to do whatever they enjoy without anyone saying anything about it? Then people can bitch about retarded scribbling in books and you should just keep your mouth shut about it.

>>25221209
nigga you are literally Komako from Snow Country

>>25221227
>man speaks
>underlined with note “um, problematic much??”

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>>25221184
Like everything women do, it's performative.

>>25221286
>noticing that foids behave like foids is "crazy talk"
Men read. Foids create jewtube channels to show off what they read and their "book hauls" and their annotated editions with 5 different colors of underliners and post-its, and their shelves decorated like christmas trees and with book covers visible like in a fucking book shop.

>>25222425
Which is why, as evidenced by proclaimed women in this thread also, they’re grown ass children.

>>25221286
These chuds needed a reality check.

>>25221284
More soul than incels objectively

>>25221184
same reason why they need to ask what's going on in a movie every three minutes

>>25222341
You enjoy bitching and whining about things that don't affect you?

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Ive only ever annotated for school and will NEVER do it again because it is useless. If I really like a line I will write down the quote or mark down what passage it is on my bookmark. But idk im really autistic about my book collection and would rather not ruin books I want to reread with underlining. I view books covered in citations the same as a foid covered in tattoos, it is tooworn for my use.
>>25221903
I only buy books that are read by gentlemen of good taste who know better than to desecrate their books with useless scribbling. However, it is very endearing if I find a little note written in the front cover.

lol at this thread. males are such bugs.

>>25222556
You will never be a woman

>>25221184
When I re-read a novel I always make little notations in the margins (on small post-its). It helps to focus my thoughts on a given quote or idea presented in the text.

because they saw and instagram post by some influencer that said "to learn and be like deep and stuff you need to take notes when reading"

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Test

>>25222577
men are useful for construction work and lifting things and that's it
put the book down and pick up a hammer

>>25221961
I'm a cis woman who was raised by only my father so I'm not that feminine in my communication but I love decorating

>>25221184
I've bought hundreds of books at thrift stores and the annotations are usually just people writing the meaning of a word or rephrasing the text in a way that sheds no light on anything

>>25222647
welcome to the party anon

99% of this thread is just a woman talking to themselves

>>25222909
you mean it's 99% OP (you) bumping his own thread by repeating "performative"

>>25222651
I did for 12h today so now I'm going to read book 3 of Anabasis.

>>25222040
I can understand why you would think that because my post was quite short. But my true feelings are that women are overrepresented in every aspect of culture, not just literature. If you attend, for example, a local play, you will often find so many women helping out either as actresses or stage hands that they're required to play the roles of men. Women are overrepresented in admission to degrees in the arts because women are so interested in these subjects that they're willing to suffer worse career prospects just to be able to study them. Women tend to be more common in language learning, both as students and especially as teachers. They tend to run the majority of book clubs, they actively take up traditional dance classes like ballroom and ballet, they're the majority of art gallery visitors (only by a small margin though). The list frankly goes on and on.

People here struggle with this point because they're wrongly assuming all men feel the same way that they do. But it's hard to overstate just how culturally uninvested is the average man. If you're posting here, you're quite literally among the 1% of men in terms of interest and dedication.

>>25221599
Why would I laugh it off when you're openly acknowledging that your intentions are to manifest political changes through your critique of 'silly things'?

>Because a stranger on the internet called out some silly behavior
Because your second sentence overtly gives away your intentions you cowardly manchild. Anyone with any sense can see that countless threads attacking women point to something far more serious. You know this too except you won't admit it except for when you stupidly slip up choking on your own rage.

>>25221756
Annotating books isn't destroying Western civilization. And as I've argued before, Women are more actively involved in preserving Western culture than men.
By the way, Western civilization includes feminism and their contributions to literature and philosophy. If you're against feminism then you're literally against the West and to any normal person you more closely resemble some insane Islamist than an actual Western person.

>>25222909
nope, there's definitely at least two of us in here - I'm writing about love hearts and the others are debating as best they can with what they're working with.

>>25221184
Isnt it enough to just write down the page number? Thats all my notes consist of.

>>25222945
there's more than 12 hours in a day incel, get to hammering

How do you read something like Gravity's Rainbow without taking notes?

>>25222651
The supermajority of scientific progress is due to men. The scientific method itself is patterned after male psychology and is fundamentally at odds with the way the median woman views conflict resolution. It would be even bleaker for women were it not for outright fraud and historical fictions (Lovelace, Perlman, that bitch with the black hole picture), and trannies getting counted as women. The role women evolved for mostly no longer exists, now you're just (by choice!) fucked up defective men.

>>25222909
Kek I suspected that too, she seems to be same fagging quite a lot. She's definitely not mad though, that can't be it.

>>25222992
Why are you pretending to not understand the point?
>Women are more actively involved in preserving Western culture than men
No they aren't, this is a lie predicated on your following horseshit definition that I'm about to btfo with facts and logic
>By the way, Western civilization includes feminism
In the same way it includes the Marquis de Sade, the Holocaust, and the firebombing of Dresden: All horrific aberrations whose only value is in cautioning us to never let our basest urges take control.

>and their contributions to literature and philosophy.
There are nearly none, for the standard definition of "contribution".

>>25223098
yeah cuz men wouldn't let women be educated. there's no difference between men and women's brains other than men are more likely to be retarded. the one and only advantage you undeniably have over women is the brute strength meant for manual labor and military service.
now quit yer yapping and go get that hammer you little bitch

>>25223111
why me take order from foid. i rape

can't wait for the iran war to really pop off so we can send some of the men to go die in it

>>25223116
please try it, i have a gun and stand your ground laws

>>25223121
you shoot not good i rape

>>25223111
>yeah cuz men wouldn't let women be educated.
100+ years of education and you're worse than ever
>there's no difference between men and women's brains
Objectively wrong, there's a significant average brain size difference (which correlates with intelligence) if nothing else and the brain doesn't 1:1 scale with physical stature. There are millions of other examples, there's insanely strong evidence for neurological sexual dimorphism.
>other than men are more likely to be retarded.
more extreme at either end and shifted rightwards a bit. So no.
>the one and only advantage you undeniably have over women is the brute strength meant for manual labor and military service.
Wrong again, most geniuses are male and male psychology evolved for dealing with the external world and reality. Female specific adaptations are literally irrelevant in 95% of the modern world. If you extrapolate current trends women will literally be extinct and homos will inherit the earth by 2150.
>now quit yer yapping and go get that hammer you little bitch
If you aren't trolling (actually trolling not "teehee I'm hiding my tardrage with a quirky facade") you're genuinely, hopelessly, retarded.

>>25223116
>>25223124
They like this kind of thing, the best way to evict foidroaches is to cut off their supply of attention.

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>>25221184
I'm male, but I used to annotate my fiction. Regret most of it. I have a few books that are now rare and out of print from when I first purchased them a decade ago - costly to buy on second hand market - and they have juvenilia scribbled all over them. Not worthless notes, but certainly unnecessary. It riles my tism, big time.

Leave your physical books unmarked, and annotate on e-books. Trust me.

>>25223129
nah, men are useless. who cares about a few extra iq points when the majority of you are retarded and even the smart ones just use their intelligence to play video games with colorful maps. now go get your hammer retard, we need some repairs done before we ship you off to war to be killed

>>25223141
yes less men easy rape

>>25223141
My work here is done. When you cut yourself later think back to how helpless you feel in this moment.

>>25223149
enjoy your night of playstation and jazz tissues, i'll be scribbling in my books and fucking a chad

>>25223153
lol, jizz* tissues

>>25223153
>Yeah I cut myself but guess what? I'm also a WHORE WHO LOVES PENISES AND STUFF
Actually loled.

>>25223178
were you under the impression that women don't love chads? i have some bad news for you
and the chad is my loving bf of many years so no, i'm not a whore but nice try faggot

>>25223184
>i'm not a whore
Not that anon but no chaste and mentally sound woman would slop around in the pig pen with anon like this. You're definitely not okay, whatever you are.

>>25223184
I don't think I've ever seen a woman psychologically destroyed to the point of larping as an incel stereotype before. I'd apologize but you're human cancer and deserve it.

>>25223118
Women are the jews of gender

>>25223184
>t. femcel

>>25223153
>and fucking a chad
he fucks you, you don't fuck him. you get fucked

interesting window into your penis envy though

Wow, a woman having sex and not being ashamed about it really sets the incels here off. What a weird way to respond.

>>25223267
Why did you stop writing in lowercase? We know it's still you. Are you pretending to be your imaginary boyfriend?

>>25223200
Hmm no, I relate to femanon and I understand why she hangs out here. It's just a preferred type of communication. I am a complete normalfag in real life but it can be a bit exhausting. The idea of going home and trying to act a certain way to fit in with more normalfags online is not acceptable to me - for example on reddit. I don't care if it's simiarly anonymous, it's just unpleasant to hang around. Online social reputations and everything that comes with it is very unappealing to me. As much as I hate mean incels (the kind incels are fine), at least I can breathe around them and not do this little online dance with words.

>>25221184
Arrested development.

>>25223269
no i'm lowercase person and i mix up my style so i don't get any fixated persons on my case. i also wrote 25223269.

>>25223281
>As much as I hate mean incels
>at least I can breathe around them and not do this little online dance with words.
They'll project a lot of their personal frustrations onto you, obviously, but they'll also call you out on your bullshit and double down when you do. Which is ironically healthy to experience in a culture full of oversocialized people who are constantly lying to one another. That's why she posts here. People need to be reminded how full of shit they are from time to time.

This is the least /lit/ /lit/ thread I’ve come across in quite a while and that’s saying a lot. Just a thought, maybe you boys and girl(s) should discuss literature and annotating you like and why without resorting to /r9k/ tier insults. How miserable do you have to be to spout such hatred to each other online? where in real life, if you happened to cross paths you’d likely get along or at least wouldn’t have this acidic relationship.

>>25223301
They're always some boring newfag trying to play faggot hall monitor.

Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>25223301
Go look at the catalog there are way worse ones. I can't believe the Sam Hyde thread hasn't been deleted yet. There are also a ton of obvious shill threads.

> miserable do you have to be to spout such hatred to each other online?
You have a very shallow understanding of life.

>>25223301
and yet here you are, contributing to the least /lit/ thread on /lit/ - if you were part of this you would know that none of us are feeling particularly acidic. or at least that's how I feel (lovehearts)

>>25223306
Nah I genuinely hate the femcunt (assuming it is one) but in a dispassionate way. Similar to how I feel when I smell dogshit.

Also you newfags know about sage right?

>>25223302
>>25223305
>>25223306
Direct your rage onto me then, if it makes you feel better.

>>25223316
Sublime reddit girldad post. Can't hate cringe this artful.

>>25223311
Part of me thinks it’s a troll but that could just be cope. Either way, yes, i genuinely feel this cunt should off herself. I highly doubt a bitch this angry, seething at men’s existence on 4chan has ever had a single dick inside her in her life.

>>25223316
Woah… a brave martyr, your reddit gold, kind sir.

>>25223326
Oh yeah I think it might be one, but I think it's probably just a miserable femcel piece of shit from lolcow or something trying to fuck up the board. The way she writes makes it clear (again, assuming it isn't masterful roleplaying) that she's seething with impotent hatred and doing everything she can to try and annoy us and look not-mad. I actually busted out laughing when she said "I'm fucking chad" or whatever, at that point I knew I won and she was probably shaking and huffing and puffing like a sperg.

>I highly doubt a bitch this angry, seething at men’s existence on 4chan has ever had a single dick inside her in her life.
Maybe her dad's, otherwise yeah lol.

>>25223316
Quixotic but I admire your spirit.

>>25223267
hi fellow woman anon

>yes, i genuinely feel this cunt should off herself. I highly doubt a bitch this angry, seething at men’s existence on 4chan has ever had a single dick inside her in her life.

how funny is this guy? how did we manage to upset him that much?

>hate the femcunt
>but in a dispassionate way

he has to make sure anon doesn't think he really cares.

how funny is it that they think we are the same person? hahahaha

>>25223347
>at that point I knew I won
You both spent hours baiting one another on 4chan. You're both losers.

>>25223356
Holy shit you are NUTS. No wonder you cut yourself and date an imaginary friend.

>>25223365
Man, you ARE retarded. They were right.

>>25223362
I've been cleaning my house in between posts, and why do you hate fun?
>>25223380
Who's "they"? The voices in your head?

>>25223365
the only women that will interact with you are 4chan women - but only to laugh in your face about how retarded you are - hehe

>>25223385
No you don't get it: I actually hate you. It isn't an enemies to lovers thing like in your books.

I wish 4chan still put number of posters at the bottom because I think this whole thread is probably just one person.
I didn't get the sense anyone was actually angry, just one bored person's different sock puppets trolling one another. I don't know why people are interpreting anyone as seething, but I can't really follow the melee so maybe I'm missing something.

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>>25223385
"4chan women" aren't "women" by any normal metric. They are profoundly mentally ill fuck ups. Do you understand how maladjusted a woman needs to be to resort to shitposting with spergs on 4chan? It's like 10 times greater an indictment that a woman is here than a male. She should have the social mobility to avoid this place.

>>25223393
ywnbaw tho bro

>>25223396
Bro I'm on your side but you've been here all day. Like I had a whole ass work shift and dinner after and you're still here.

>>25223401
I have a few other posts itt, but I'm not that guy.

>>25223396
What other place is there, exactly? I am active in my local library, I attend book clubs online, I have friends and family that I like to see often. Am I meant to be striving for the upper echelons of society? I don't care about fitting in with fancy people. I also don't care what you think, I'm just trying to paint a picture you might understand.

>>25223410
>What other place is there, exactly?
I don't know, one of your boring normie sites. Anon didn't go to the normie sites to try and talk, you went to anon.
>I also don't care what you think,
Haha. Fuck off, cunt. Of course you do.

>>25223392
I think there's just one woman but there are at least two men (judging by posting styles 4-5 IMO), one of which is me.

>>25223393
Next write out a two hundred and fifty word essay apologizing to us for being a woman(?). You can use hearts if you want.

>>25223421
there are a minimum of 3 women - love hearts (me), debater woman, fuck bf woman. I'm tempted to write out the essay. maybe it could form part of the 200 words anon suggested I could write in order to develop confidence in writing a book. but I am a little bit busy at the moment

>>25223418
Is it impossible for you to imagine that normalfag women use 4chan for the same reasons normalfag men use 4chan? It's fun

>>25223410
>I don't care what you think but here's a novel about my life and how normal and loved and outgoing but also quirky and special and a loner I am I don't care about what you think btw

>>25223432
Maybe, but at least one of you is definitely samefagging. I think the debater might have had a bpd meltdown and started age regressing.

>>25223437
Normalfags don't use 4chan, much less lit. No one here is median. It's 2026, we're old now and 4kek is dying.

Definitely at least 3 women or trannies. That is very obvious.

>>25223440
yeah so anyways, I'm trying to focus on reading books with styles I want to absorb for my own writing. does anyone here have a system for collecting passages of writing that really stand out?

>>25223437
Is it impossible for you to understand that the baseline ethos of 4chan has always been what it is to varying degrees, but is never going to inherently change? Holes bring with them to pathological drive to psychically terraform whatever niche community they arrive at into the same boring normie shit that they just tried to escape. This place will never be "gender inclusive". Actually cope.

>>25223448
since you're all fucking here maybe you could make yourselves useful

>>25223448
I get an ebook even if I'm reading a physical book and paste any passages into Obsidian.

>>25223452
Bro its time to log off

>>25223454
ahhh I'm really glad you're here. I have obsidian but I'm not sure how I want to categorise things and I don't want to make a big sprawling mess of passages. what is your system with organising within obsidian?

>>25223458
No. I refuse to have a normal one. Tism rights are human rights.

>>25223448
>>25223453
I just remember shit and ctrl f it later from a PDF version if I can't recall the page number or exact phrasing. If it generates something worth exploring then I write it out elsewhere. You don't need a "system" except maybe some bookmarks and a blank notebook or notes file/app or whatever if you want to get fancy. Are you retarded?

>>25223452
Trvthnvke

>>25223466
yeah I think it's just another barrier I'm creating to put off sitting down to write

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>>25222466
Who says anyone has to enjoy anything? It's the argument being made. Try to follow, if your position is people should mind their business then mind your business. Unless you mean that you should get to do whatever YOU want, and everyone else should do whatever YOU want as well no matter how inconsistent. In which case, no

>>25223461
I make a note per book and paste passages there, even if it makes one long note. The only time I do more than one per book is when I'm hosting online book clubs, then I make one note per week, but those notes also have summaries and prompts and much more info.
I only use Obsidian for books, so I just have folders for novels, non-fiction, short stories and so on. I start the note with author's name so they're grouped together.
The Zettlekastan cult will argue every passage should have its own note. You might want to look into that method, I don't really understand it.
I'm not good at keeping up with it and some books just aren't worth logging.

>>25222466
If<X> didn't "affect[sic] you" we wouldn't ever be talking about <X>.

>>25223464
The girls have all left and it's just you left carrying on.
I'm eager to hear others' notetaking methods.

>>25223448
>does anyone here have a system for collecting passages of writing that really stand out?
inb4 some random ideological seethe for daring to suggest it, but you could probably code a good indexing system with Claude. Tailor your referencing precisely how you want.

>>25223480
Delusional

>>25223476
awesome ty anon. I have heard of zettlekastan which sounds very freeing to begin with - only worrying about the one note at a time - but I think the grouping by author > novel seems neater in my mind. thanks

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They do it for social media. Any other answer is false

>>25223482
I've thought about bringing AI into Obsidian to have it.....? I don't know? Analyze my notes? Make connections i may not make myself? Even just recommend new books? I'm not even sure how to begin with this shit though. I'm barely functional with Obsidian on its own.

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>>25223489
I mean this looks rather pretty to me.

>>25223496
OK, cool, the girl who calls everyone retarded is still here but you've moved past this guy having a meltdown, so he should still log off and get some rest.

>>25223502
Are you black

>>25223502
???
I haven't engaged with him at any point. how many times do I have to say there are multiple women here and we're not all replying to the same things?

anon would be so disappointed in me... last week was my first week here and he said to ignore the rude people and just keep an eye out for interesting threads. I've spent how many hours now refreshing this thread... cringe

>>25223502
The only person who had a meltdown is the girl who cuts herself and she's, presumably, off enjoying her hobby as we type.

>>25223508
No. White but from Philly.
>>25223509
Got it. 3 girls, 1 guy at least in the arguments.

>>25223518
You didn't come off well desu. Just being straight with you.

>>25223523
I don't know who you are or who you think I am, and my definition of "well" is almost certainly opposite yours, so I'm not sure how to take this except as concern trolling. I think it probably means I did what I wanted to.

>>25223526
Ok.

>>25221184
if anything, this thread proves women do take notes on fiction more often than men, but they refuse to address and are offended by the question why. it's pretty funny I say.

alright well I think I'm ready to stop checking this thread today. thanks anon for the obsidian tips. I've just set a vault up called literature review and I will start with just a couple of my favourite authors and passages. then I will swap over to my current read. this will save me from having random notes floating around 10 different spaces for me to never be able to reference again. really appreciate it.

>>25223526
>you didn't look good
>>i did so! i did so look good!
lmao
>>25223535
multiple answers were given

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>>25221461
Very true, picrel applies to many on this board (self-hatred + ego + therapeutic performance)

>>25222986
You're a silly goose. :^)

>>25222093
That's awful, if there's more notation than actual text you should just write out your commentary on a separate piece of paper, or type it out as a word document. Speech to text (with page number and relevant passage) in the Notes app if you're super lazy

>>25221654
>different colours can be used for different themes, characters...
That's ridiculous. First of all, themes. Your porn books and Harry Potter books don't have themes. And even if you did read a book with actual themes in it, like I do, it wouldn't come up so many times that it would warrant 20 tabs. Most books I've read have a thematic climax, where all the events coalesce to the meaning of the book. This is the only part that really needs to be noted if you're taking notes for themes. It doesn't require 20 tabs.

And characters make even less sense. Having one color for all 5 or 10 or 30 main characters is a clusterfuck. How can you possibly tell which tab is for which character? And having an individual color per character is also ridiculous. If you've ever made a chart or a graph with too many data sets you've encountered the issue where you wind up with colors that are too similar, like a dark red and a light red. It creates a visual noise and becomes more of a hinderance than anything else. And even if you just somehow managed to single out just one or two characters and ignored all the others, what would be the point there? The main character, in most fiction, will be in every single chapter. Are you going to place a tab each time the main character says or does something important? You'll be tabbing every goddamn page.

Your explanation lacks validity. It lacks effort. You just handwaved away "oh these are for themes and characters" but how do you actually use them in a way that makes fucking sense? Wouldnt a note in the margin serve the same purpose without limiting yourself to a code of five colors?

>>25223625
Based Orson

>>25222453
Women don't know what objectivity is either I guess

>>25221227
Inceldom is as performative as Femininity

Man alone stands naked before the gods

>>25223541
>>multiple answers were given
literally never happened, all I see is "because they like it" answers and some females saying "retard" repeatedly as if it makes them fit within 4chan's environment.

>>25223625
Funniest part about this pic rel is that Welles was also arrogant. At times exceedingly so. He just didn't like that particular brand of arrogance, it didn't conform well with his.

He's insightful in his reading here, but he's also a bullshit artist.

>>25223648
if you're going to assume women only read porn and genre fiction - then there is no point in continuing with you and I'm not going to read the rest of what you have to say, dumb ass

>>25223666
99.9% of all my threads go undetected as being posted by a female. I'd say I fit in quite well. As for calling people retarded... if you're being retarded I'm happy to call you a retard. I've been using retard as an insult since I learned the lyrics to Ciara's 1, 2 Step

>>25223675
So you can't articulate how to actually use tabs in a way that makes any sense. Thanks for proving my point.

You know, I ignored the baseless accusation you made about using AI to understand a book. If you don't like having shit flung back at you, maybe you should lead by example.

>>25223680
you talk like a forth grader.

>>25223648
>Your porn books and Harry Potter books don't have themes. And even if you did read a book with actual themes in it
Every novel has themes, even bad ones, even books for children. That you can't name the themes in Harry Potter is damning.

>>25223666
If you can't understand why someone would want to mark a favorite passage, perhaps a literature board is not for you. And this is hardly female-only behavior. Real readers would know that. I recognize that you're just trolling and rage baiting, but you're making yourself look incredibly stupid in the process.
t. a man

I’ll be honest with you fags and foids, I kinda just a smidgen regret it when there’s a certain passage from a book I love and I don’t leave a little mark on the page to just go back to it and think “yeah that’s the stuff”. Though obviously I can always just read it again, I don’t see a massive issue with it.

>>25224073
there's no such thing as a "real reader", you're retarded and trying to project some arbitrary and stupid behavior onto this "real reader" thing to feel better about yourself, overall kill yourself.

>>25224048
give me a theme from Twilight.

>>25224102
Yes, there is such a thing, just as there's such a thing as charlatans who try to pretend to be more knowledgeable than they are. You know. Like you.
>>25224131
I haven't read it, but a vampire love story is inevitably going to explore the sexual tension between predator and prey, restraint arising from love, and what makes someone a monster. Again, that you can't pick these out is DAMNING. You've exposed yourself.
I'm not going to make the mistake these girls are making and waste further time on you. You're a fool and a shitty poster.

>>25224131
So like… there’s this girl and she’s just like me like sooo relatable and this hot vampire boy joins her school and it’s like really deep because she loves him and stuff but like she knows it’s wrong and then a cute werewolf boy comes in and it gets really crazy then so it’s all about indecision or something lol nothing your incel ass would know about shut ur virgin ass up

>>25224151
anon btfo. first time this dude has shut up.
>>25224154
proof that op was just samefagging even as his opp the entire time. what a stupid thread. and he accused others of samefagging. always projection with these retards.

>>25223648
>First of all, themes. Your porn books and Harry Potter books don't have themes. And even if you did read a book with actual themes in it
Question: what do you think a theme is if you think Harry Potter doesn't have any?

Let’s this horrendous thread die

>>25224635
Take your meds holy shit lol.

>>25225261
I'd also like to know what he thinks a theme is because wtf
>>25225261
>>25225306
Tell us what you think a theme is first

>gatekeeping a gatekeeper
reddit lel

>>25225652
definition of a theme pls, mr man. pls, before yr mom sends you off to school

>>25226453
I don't disagree with your original assertion that slop has a theme. I'm not the other guy. I just dislike the effeminate rhetoric.

>>25225255
A theme is a message that comes from the subtext of a story. Harry Potter has no subtext. It's all surface level. Also, themes are usually expressed through the changes in characters and setting. Harry Potter's characters don't change.

Now write a 2,000 word reply about why I'm oh so wrong, and I'll tell you what folder contains your Snapesnogger fanart.

>>25224151
Those arent themes. Do you even know what a theme is?

>>25226594
dude you are making yourself look really really dumb here

>>25225630
You are confusing me with at least three other people hahahahaha

Women are so fucking retarded. This thread is a monument to the obsolescence of your instinctional tools of social control.

>>25226821
litbro all your bros abandoned you because you're embarrassing them. whole thread has turned on you so stop samefagging

>>25226844
When was the last time you showered samefemanon. Be honest.

It’s not really a big deal guys, clearly you like to read books differently, you aren’t really arguing anymore so much as you’re calling each other retarded. Just chill out, will you? Though, I don’t think Stoner needs annotating (at least that much); to respond to that pic the OP has. But if someone believes it will help them enjoy/understand the book more, then knock yourself out. I don’t really care to address the actual question so much though as I don’t really care what or why other people do (that) with their books.

>>25226805
at least I can tell the difference between a theme and a motif.

>>25226870
FYI time they invoke "everyone", "others", or how you "look" they're trying to evoke a feeling of shame, exclusion, and isolation in you and to make you feel like you "don't belong" on /lit/—or at least in this thread.

Luckily we're mostly all autistic here so this shit doesn't work, but it's funny to analyze the manipulation tactics they try to use. If this thread had been an irl discussion several of them would have walked out screaming that we had "tried to rape" them in an effort to get other men to assault us.

>>25226870
no you can't those aren't motifs retard

>>25226844
No one “turned against” anyone, femcel
Also
>trying to shame someone on an incognito Mongolian legerdemain forum

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>>25226881
sorry but "sexual tension" is not a theme. It's a motif. You are embarrassing yourself and you are too stupid to realize it.

>>25226902
that's a different anon than me but notice you're purposefully leaving out a few key words in their statement because you're dishonest and not smart
everyone is fully aware of how stupid you are