pic related
>>25222863Amazon is an American company with the duty to remove Anti-American crap from its marketplace. I wish more translated books and anything printed outside of The United States of America would be delisted from Amazon and sent packing. If you want to read French books you should have to read them in French, and buy them from French companies.
>>25222863>redditslop about some 60yo nerd blowing away a hippie with a shotgunglad this is being kept away from dumb, impressionable minds
>>25222863>While we cannot say for certain has taken this extraordinary stepWriters in the year of our lord 2026 AD.
>>25222863>some guy selling pirated print on demand sloppa versions of a text he doesn't have the rights to got delisted from amazon
>>25222863Liberal democracies outsource their censorship to other institutions/entities like corporations so they LARP as having rights and values that they have made functionally meaningless. This Western model of censorship has the additional flaw in that it's extremely hard to navigate owing to the pluralistic nature of Western society. Every group, even incredibly small ones, can push for the censorship of certain materials. It's nearly impossible to take all such groups into consideration regardless of how well-intentioned you are.At least in overtly authoritarian states like China, the source of censorship is clear (the state) and so are the reasons why something is censored. There also tends to be a linear path where a thing will be censored upon release and then be uncensored later. It's far rarer for the inverse to take place in China yet that seems to be increasingly common in the West. This is a frustrating position for us to be in because it means we have to exercise caution about an unknowable future rather than a knowable present.This invokes some notions from Deleuze, Guattari, and Foucault. China is effectively a society of discipline where the distinction between people and the state is clearly defined and so are the means of monitoring and punishment. There are no accidental wrongdoers in Chinese society. Dissidents are always knowingly dissenting. (Talking about modern China here, not Maoist China). In the West, which has become a society of control, the mechanisms of oppression are far more diffuse and are as often ground-up or lateral as they are top-down. In China, you can drink a beer with your friend and bemoan that the local government has no idea what they're doing. You know beforehand if your friend is the CPC or not and whether you can trust him.In the West now, there's always this tension. "Can I really trust you?", "Are you secretly waiting for me to say faggot or nigger so you can report me?" Because you never know, you're almost always self-censoring.
>>25222908What subreddits are you reading where ethnic cleansing is discussed?
>>25222938it's got quips in it like project hail mary
>>25222947Didn‘t ask that.
>>25222970yeah i was obviously responding to your implied premise that if a piece of media has ethnic cleansing in it it can't be reddit, which is wrong. most human communication between non-autists is in fact implicit
>>25222863It's dumb of Amazon to capitulate, but I don't feel very strongly about book "bans" on a retailer level. It's accessible via your library, the Internet Archive, and an infinite number of ebook formats. I have to wonder how true it is, though. The right wing grift machine was immediate and overwhelming, with the publisher using this controversy to push people to "preorder" new runs of the book.This is a 50 year old book, and this particular copy appears to be print-on-demand. What exactly are you preordering for $40? Why does every video covering this start with an ad trying to trick right wing authors into getting their books "published"? Smells wrong.
Awww does this twigger you little nerds?>nooooo not the heckin bookerinos!Burning of the Library of Alexandria BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
>>25222938/r/coontown
>>25222989>nooo you can't ban How To Have Gay Sex from elementary schools think of the children!!!>ummm who cares if amazon won't sell your chuddy book just download a badly scanned 120MB copy from Internet Archive sweetie
>>25222863I feel pretty good about it as a concept. Some things do need to be kept out of the marketplace of ideas. Execution however is dismal. Women, faggots, coloreds, Jews, and marxusts have virtually no limitations on their degenerate slop.
Most commonly not reading something is more significant than reading it. Particularly in the case of this book.
>>25223196T. le mangeur de merdeDon't you have to get your usual from Spyro or something?
>>25223181do you think banning a book about gay sex stops it or something? is your thought process that kids are unaware of being gay until given the knowledge by an external source? weird tangent.the book is 50 years old anon, you can buy a used copy right now for $5 if you need something that's not "badly scanned" - did you even check btw? there are half a dozen copies on IA, including in the original French, and this copy chosen at random is crystal clear. there are an additional 30 copies on Anna's. finally, my very liberal library system has 2 hardcopies and 1 Libby copy.If you've never purchased a book-on-demand reprint they're very poor quality and typically only used by self-published authors who can't afford better, or grifters hoping to trick a grandma on Amazon by selling an out-of-copyright book that you can otherwise get for near free.Let me know if you have any other questions.
>>25223208>Let me know if you have any other questionsUh yeah can I get uhhhhhhh number 3 with a coke and some barbecue sauce?
I believe in survival of the fittest. I believe this extends to books and thought. If whatever philosophy you've contrived or believe cannot survive the marketplace of blood and steel then the thought does not have any validity whatsoever.
>>25222863amazon got told by the jews to do that because they had camp of the saints in my recommended feed until a few weeks ago
>>25222916This
>>25222863Lul I just bought the thing on the audible sale. Better listen to it before it's gone then.
I'm glad I bought it when I did but goddamn it's unreadable garbage.
>Can't take for certain has
>>25223367the Jews very much agree with the message of this book and they're mad that it was banned while antisemitic books are still for sale
>>25222863Censorship is unamerican.Sure, chud shit like The Camp of Saints might trick some dimwits into subscribing to its hateful, xenophobic ideology but that’s just the price we have to pay to live in a democratic society with freedom of expression.
>>25222908being on 4chan and complaining about slop destroying impressionable minds is hilarious. you pakis work overtime
>>25224598it's hilarious to you because you're a retard who is amused by jingling keys
>>25224630>it's hilarious to you because you're a retard who is amused by jingling keys
>>25224840>argumentum ad wojakumi win the argument
Redditers deserve the worst in life
>>25222984>i was inventing premises to sidestep the fact that what I said was demonstrably retarded kthx>>25223170Banned for like ten years now
My university has started burning its archive of feminist gender and queer theory. Literally right on campus observable by students
>>25225176>read banned books!>NO NOT THAT ONE
>>25225176That's very obviously somebody pretending to be a caricature of a redditor though. >muh decent human being! Don't be a sucker.
>>25225195ok so what you were saying had nothing to do with my post at all? fine
>>25225215No it isn’t. /r/banned books is entirely like that.
>>25225226There's too many stock meme phrases for me to believe that's real.>decent human being >multiculturalism is our greatest strength >First Amendment only applies to censorship from the governmentI simply do not believe that such self-parody could be produced sincerely.
>>25224845sorry, you got owned. ad wojak > ad hom
>>25222863>Orban out>Straussoid euro-girlyman NGO conservaslop is subject to immediate damnatio memoriaeMagyarreich Wansui.
>>25225284ad wojakum is one of the most famous ad hominems
>>25225220What I was saying was very pertinent to pointing out your mental retardation.
>>25225332it was a non sequitur that had nothing to do with my post, as written. feel free to elaborate to the contrary
>>25225348Retreating to superficial pittances after being proven wrong on the essence of the book makes you a retard.
>>25225354>muf superficial "pittances"the style and prose of a book is its substance, fool. if joss whedon adapted jud suss it would be redditslop
>>25225213kek
>>25222930>"Can I really trust you"Can you really trust the chinamen?
>commies come to /lit/ to troll justifying banning books they don't like
>okay so this horde of subhuman animals is led by "the turd eater"... he's called that because he eats excrement... and he's coming for cool oak door...>bravo, bien joué, here is your grand prix de littérature de l'académie françaiseWhat the fuck is wrong with the French?
>>25225416Craziest part is, the book is actually mild compared to today's reality
>>25225374What percentage of the work do these remarks comprise in word count?
>>25225231I envy your optimism
>>25225448You know you could just look it up and see this particular poster is active in /r/askconservatives and /r/conservative instead of embarrassing yourself by falling for itSo much for ``media literacy''
>>25225285All jokes aside Orban falling is probably why the book is gone, a billion dollar European conservative NGO complex is being dismantled at this very moment. There were pundits in Budapest making 3x the average salary of actual Hungarians to shill conservatism in English. The appeals to liberalism and tolerance come flooding in after a decade of despotic parasitism.
>>25225440that's like asking what percentage of buffy is quips
>>25223208It's back on Amazon, you can ack yourself now.
>>25225176Is it beyond the realm of possible understanding for these people that open borders is not only a central pillar for capitalism, but that you can't just throw massive demographics around willy nilly? This is rhetorical question of course, because 90% these people are either whites with colonial guilt or thirdies who both hate Europe and think it deserves ethnic cleansing by mass migration.
>>25225465All the more reason to suspect this was a visibility grift. Shame right wingers keep falling for them.
>>25225465shan't be reading project hail genocide
>>25225375>>25225176huh, weird
Ok but before I buy…is it actually good?
>>25225653>costs $1kDo chuds really?
>>25225669I think if you aren't already a believer of race realism and stuff of that nature you won't enjoy it. Like I enjoyed it because I unironically believe if you just get rid of western European people and replace them with the Chinese and whatever else you'll end up with a hellscape absent of innovation or even a comparable standard of living to today. Someone I know who doesn't believe that read the book and thought it was overly masturbatory with that concept when all I thought was "Yeah that's what will probably happen."
>>25222893>Amazon is an American company with the duty to remove Anti-American crap from its marketplaceAmerica was explicitly founded as a white ethnostate.
>>25225595wtf i love ethnic gangs systemically raping children now
>>25223309The third world urge to vacillate between boasting about being a Nietzschean superman when they're on top and cringing in the corner crying about how they're a smol bean being terrorized when they're on the bottom persists.
>>25225725I think lil non property holders should shut their trap about this
>>25225741I think I don't care what a guy who wants to LARP as America's foremost mass immigration loving jingoist thinks.
>>25225725Source?
>>25222863Fret not, salvation is here.
>>25225754I own property and I agree with him.
>>25223208>do you think banning a book about gay sex stops it or something?Strawman. But since you think books about homosexuality have no effect on the prevelence of homosexuality, then why would it matter if they're banned? How interesting then that you'd be concerned about a "racist" book influencing the minds of others. Lying faggot.
>>25222930Solid critique of the West however you're a little too easy on China.There is still a good deal of factionalism and ending up on the wrong side of it can get you jailed or killed. The difference is primarily in it being clique/patronage based instead of the facades of moral argument.
>>25222863Anyone whose read it or heard about it knows its only being suppressed because it challenges the morality of the contemporary status quo.They want White Europeans to be mindless and to ignore the problem. The Camp of the Saints isn't a phenomenal book by any means, but it expresses these ideas coherently and in a way emotional normies can grasp the reality of the issue, and for that reason, they will continue to ban it until their aren't any White People left to read it, thus making it no longer a threat.>>25223191This. Marxist Judeo-Masonic crap needs to be banned for sure, because it is a sickness in written form. Camp of the Saints is a Cure for the sickness.>>25223309So the 70+% of women in the publishing industry deserve to stay there even though they didn't get there by merit? Explain to me how the enemy gets to use censorship and artificial inflation, but it's only considered immoral if we do it?>Are you using Guns in a Gun fight you hypocrite?>>25223473It's not great, but in contains a lot of information that is shocking to normies, and is therefor useful as a read. Can't say it isn't pushing boundaries.Read the reviews by normies, they don't say it's bad because they genuinely understand the quality of the writing, they say it's bad because emotionally it illicits a reaction from them, and that's what's important here.
>>25225595>>25225465>>25225634The book itself isn't something that the Jews or corporate media would want people to see. Odds are some reddit cuckhold got salty and deleted it, and some other lads at Amazon brought it back up.The reverse psychology trick only applies to content they would actually benefit from people seeing, but a book about disgusting foreigners and White Genocide is not Establishment Friendly by any means.>>25225669Not really, there are some halfway decent parts, but nothing to write home about. In the 1970s, most people didn't know about how Indians eat cowshit and fling it around their walls, so it was very shocking and important for their time, but for anyone whose familiar with the problems of modern immigration it is a rather mundane read.It does go into how Christian Morality is basically being used as a weapon against the White Man, and I think that made it worthy enough for me to finish reading to see what it concludes, but overall, it's maybe a little above mediocre.>>25225680My thoughts exactly. Probably really cutting edge for 1970s, but for us all the ideas are pretty familiar.If I didn't know about all the cow shit rituals in India, this book would have red-pilled me back in the day, but since I'm already familiar with it none of the shock of the story really lands, and I have the same reaction>Ya, they'll do that>Ya, that is something that they doI guess the book was pretty prophetic, and that works against it in a very banal way.The beuacracy and Christian morality parts are interesting, but again, only to somebody not yet familiar with how Christian Morality works against us.
>>25222916This is a new translation, dipshithttps://www.vaubanbooks.com/books/the_camp_of_the_saints_paperback.php>>25225669It’s kind of weirdThe biography of Raspail himself is great and he seems to have been a very interesting guyAlso the bit about how the previous translation was suboptimal because the translator was used to translating floofy poetry from French was interestingThe character sketches of the pro-invasion characters and their moral preening was illuminating, at least moderately But in some sense it’s being published after the cows are almost all out of the barn so it’s not really dystopian speculative fiction like Atlas Shrugged and Brave New World and 1984
>>25225885I actually listened to part of the Tucker interview he did for this and it's so absurdly transparent he's talking the same shit he did when he was "spiritual". Now he's exposed as a serial rapist so it's time for the Jesus swerve to grab the only audience more retarded than liberal druggies. He's almost cumming in Tucker's ear about how much he loooves Jesus and how you have to pray every second of every day or you'll sin, but it's okay because Jesus forgives, it's fucking OJ's "If I Did It" in audio form.
>>25224598Kek, gottem.
>these are the type of people telling you not to read Camp of the Saints:https://youtu.be/ImZKh3SqSmoIf you ask AI to tell you what style over substance means it should give you a link to that video.
>>25226007>This. Marxist Judeo-Masonic crap needs to be banned for sureCouldn't even make it one thread pretending like muh freedom of speech should apply to everyone. Had to air the grievance-fueled impotent power fantasy about owning the hecking libs to remind everyone not to feel to bad for the next wave of deplatforming. Say what you will about the plebbitors but they don't hate you for no reason.
>>25226668So books on tranny conversion, gay sex, pedophilia, and substance addiction, should all be free to circulate?No healthy society can allow for these diseases to spread. Libertarian free market ideals fail simply because they place zero restrictions. But yes, we should educate people more on why these things are morally false, because censorship without genuine education is doomed to fail.
>>25226007>Explain to me how the enemy gets to use censorship and artificial inflation, but it's only considered immoral if we do itThey used it and won. Nobody cares what the bones have to say when a war is through.w
>>25225176Perversely pathological framing of white countries as "non-diverse" and every other country as "diverse".
>>25225885
>>25226367to be fair it's not like tucker actually hides what his beliefs are
>>25225463Probably more, with less substance to round it out.
>>25223309>I believe in survival of the fittest
>>25222863>book suppression on the internetI think you mean profit suppression. There is no such thing as book suppression. The file type is .txt. you upload it on to the internet.
>>25222893>with the duty to remove Anti-American crap from its marketplacethis is not a duty that exists. a marketplace can stock whatever it wants (from legal items) and only the marketplace owner should have a say. if amazon don't want to stock and item that is well within their rights. bookstores the world over, for all time, have selected which books it will put on its shelf and which it doesn't want to stock. amazon don't need to explain their actions, but also it is certainly NOT a duty for them to refuse anti-american books.
