>Jewry cannot create a new world; it can only draw the world’s new-made creations and relationships into the sphere of its industriousness, because practical need, whose motivation is private interest, acts passively and never initiates growth, only feeds on the growth of society.>Jewish Jesuitism—that practical Jesuitism which in the Talmud, as Bauer shows, deals with the clever circumvention by the world of private interest of the laws that rule it—is the chief art of that world.>What is stated as theory in Jewish religion, namely, contempt for theory, art, history and man as an end in himself, is an actual and conscious point of view, held to be virtuous by the man of money. Even the relations between the sexes, between man and woman, become an object of commerce. The woman is auctioned off.>The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the true nationality of the merchant, of the man of money.>The law of the Jew, lacking all solid foundation, is only a religious caricature of morality and of law in general, but it provides the formal rites in which the world of property clothes its transactions.>The view of nature gained under the dominion of money and private property is a genuine contempt, a materialistic degradation of nature, such as exist in Jewish religion, if only in fancy.>It is in this sense that Thomas Münzer complains that “all creatures have become property, the fish in the water, the birds in the air, the plants on the ground—the creatures, too, must become free.”>Indeed, the materialistic rule of the Jew over the Christian world has in the United States reached such everyday acceptability that the propagation of the Gospels, the teaching of Christianity itself, has become an article of commerce, and the bankrupt merchant deals in Gospels just as the enriched gospeler deals in business>Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand. Money degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal and self-constituted value set upon all things. It has therefore robbed the whole world, of both nature and man, of its original value. Money is the essence of man’s life and work, which have become alienated from him: this alien monster rules him and he worships it.>The God of the Jews has become secularized and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew’s real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange.>What is the foundation of the Jew in our world? Practical necessity, private advantage.>What is the object of the Jew’s worship in this world? Usury. What is his worldly God? Money.>Very well then: emancipation from usury and money, that is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the emancipation of our time.>Christianity sprang from Judaism; it has now dissolved itself back into Judaism.
>>25223772Some of these observations are situational, for example the Jews in Europe were often limited to allowable professions such as banking or theatre, there weren’t many or any Jewish farmers. The Jews were therefore restricted to being merchants. In saying that, there’s plenty of fair critique here, although I’d like to point out that the Jewish religion does, when being followed properly, go some way to tempering these traits
Wo wo, marx was an antisemitic nazi?That's not kosher im not longer going to call me a Marxist.
>>25223807The Rothschilds were fucking ENNOBLED by the Hapsburgs, Jews were hardly a victim class in Western Europe (where a Jew was Queen Victoria's favorite PM) and America (where a practicing Jew was the Secretary of State for the CSA) by Marx's time
>>25223772What's interesting about that essay is that the bulk of it is about American secularism and the development of the modern state. He noticed how religious America was even as that existed (in a contradictory way) with its official secularism which reduces religion to an individual matter. The perfect Christian state is not a so-called "Christian" state with a state religion as that has "a political attitude to religion and a religious attitude to politics.">Only in the North American states – at least, in some of them – does the Jewish question lose its theological significance and become a really secular question. Only where the political state exists in its completely developed form can the relation of the Jew, and of the religious man in general, to the political state, and therefore the relation of religion to the state, show itself in its specific character, in its purity. The criticism of this relation ceases to be theological criticism as soon as the state ceases to adopt a theological attitude toward religion, as soon as it behaves towards religion as a state – i.e., politically. Criticism, then, becomes criticism of the political state. At this point, where the question ceases to be theological, Bauer’s criticism ceases to be critical.>The political emancipation of the Jew, the Christian, and, in general, of religious man, is the emancipation of the state from Judaism, from Christianity, from religion in general. In its own form, in the manner characteristic of its nature, the state as a state emancipates itself from religion by emancipating itself from the state religion – that is to say, by the state as a state not professing any religion, but, on the contrary, asserting itself as a state. The political emancipation from religion is not a religious emancipation that has been carried through to completion and is free from contradiction, because political emancipation is not a form of human emancipation which has been carried through to completion and is free from contradiction.[...]>It is possible, therefore, for the state to have emancipated itself from religion even if the overwhelming majority is still religious. And the overwhelming majority does not cease to be religious through being religious in private.[...]>Political emancipation is, of course, a big step forward. True, it is not the final form of human emancipation in general, but it is the final form of human emancipation within the hitherto existing world order. It goes without saying that we are speaking here of real, practical emancipation ... The division of the human being into a public man and a private man, the displacement of religion from the state into civil society, this is not a stage of political emancipation but its completion; this emancipation, therefore, neither abolished the real religiousness of man, nor strives to do so.
pol tards want to blame jews for communism but the actual religious jews were against communism in the same way other religious people were, because commies are godless atheists
>>25223910Godless atheists who wanted to abolish money and private property.>Very well then: emancipation from usury and money, that is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the emancipation of our time.
>>25223807Poor Jews. They just wanted to farm. Their dreams of manual labour were devastated by the bad white Christians. I pity them. Who would like to make money while doing nothing at all? This is not honorable, and jews are noble souls that would never harm the community they lived within. They always respected local religion and customs. Poor souls.
>>25223826>>25223918I have a nuanced opinion on this. On the one hand merchants have historically been seen as the least noble of the professions as they do not produce things like farmers and they do not craft anything like tradesmen. The fact that almost all Jews in Europe were merchants, somewhat because that’s all they were allowed to do, in combination with merchants being seen as lowly or whatever way you want to put it, along with other modern factors such as the rise of nationalism, all these things have come together to over emphasise criticism of Jews. Then you have Zionists who will purposefully promote antisemitism in order to make Jews feel unsafe in foreign lands. It’s quite the soup.I think Marx is also writing from his own experience and perspective and with his own biases, and all of this has to be taken into consideration
>>25223904I haven't read this essay but I've read On the Jewish Question and he says the same thing there.
>>25223962Oh yes, modern jews are in straight line descendants of this ancient culture, it's not like they converted and used the Torah as an excuse to why they can't farm the land and why they can perform usury, that would be crazy to think. 109 countries didn't understand their comfortable lively hood is hard work of these sturdy people
>>25223962Guilds, which were what were excluding Jews and 99% of christians died with mercantilism, and certainly with the rise of mercantilism, being a merchant was not considered dishonorable. The East India Company was powerful.As Marx points out, Jews excluded Christians as much as Christians excluded Jews. Jews would not consider themselves the nation of those around them and if anything were even stricter against sharing a meal or pot or roof with them than vice versa. Jews had zero interest in being a part of the Christian community and were completely insular and saw Christians with at least as much loathing and disgust as Christians saw Jews. Jews often were taylors and cobblers etc, but for their fellow Jews. By Marx's time, many Jews did want to be so totally separated, and this led to the crisis of Jewish modernity, but that is quite a new stage in Jewish history because it is the advent of a secular Jewish identity.
>>25224021It's from On the Jewish Question. Maybe it's a slightly different translation.Basically, it's about the nature of the modern state more than Judaism per se. Bauer thought Jews could only be politically free if they gave up their religion because the modern state should be secular, while Marx is saying nah because look at the U.S., they have a secular state but there's still a lot of religion. We're all citizens under the law here (we're all "equal" under the law) but we're also market-oriented individuals who are divided among each other in the pursuit of money and our own egoistic self-interest, hence the "Christians" have also become "Jews" in a metaphorical sense, like the line about religion in America becoming a "trade." You see this all the time and there are conservatives who get disillusioned by it seek out thicker stuff like Catholicism because it has pre-capitalist traditions.>>25223962>>25224275What's interesting about this is that you don't get any transhistorical "essence" from Marx because what people "are" is tied to a specific social function which is produced historically and related to a mode of production, and the way I read that, Jews occupied that niche in the Middle Ages but that has since become universalized by the spread of capitalism worldwide, really. Makes me think Islamism is on its way out as this total alternative to Western influence. Islam will still exist and there will be "Islamic" governments like in Syria but in practice a "business Islam" is going to increasingly come to the fore as an ideological toolkit about how to do your mindset shift to create the deals. Like that's just everywhere now.
>>25224414Judaism is a very unique religion in that it centers around an eschatology where Jews own all the property in the world and goyim are subservient. Jews almost function as a class in it more than a race. This ideal is prefigured in the story of Joseph wherein he helps the Pharaoh take and own land from all the people of Egypt except for that of the priests, and thus pharaoh becomes a great capitalist, making a fortune collecting rent which he can reinvest, and Jews are given special status (as the Hapsbergs ennobled the Rothschilds).Marx saw Christianity as a Jewish rebellion against Jewishness. Christ and his rebellious followers reject these values and invert them. Paul preaches that "the love of money is the root of all evil".However, Marx also says that Christianity still appeals to the Tanakh for legitimacy and eventually that dialectical tension would have to be resolved. For most of its history Christianity got around it by simply only reading the Old Testament through the New as a lens, but eventually, sometime during the reformation, Christians tried reading the New Testament through the lens of the Old, and this finally resolved the tension by bringing Christian values in line with those of a secularized Judaism, which was vital for the rise of capitalism. The Christian is the capitalist, and he has the same values. The White Christian in capitalist imperialism too is a class more than a religion, he is the East India Company and so on. Christianity today has, like Judaism, been completely secularized, and secularized Christianity gets along perfectly with secularized Judaism, which is why very elite WASP capitalists see Zionist capitalist Jews as their kindred, and vice versa.
>>25223910It's an incoherent mess. They blame religious, zionist type Jews and leftist secular Jews interchangeably even now. Like, the state of Israel is somehow responsible for all their problems? huh? Soros type Jews hate Israel as much as they hate America.And they think it's rabbis shilling on here or whatever? or funny hat weirdos? it makes no sense. They have just decided that 'jews' are the bogeyman and haven't given it much more thought.
>>25224414I know what On the Jewish Question is talking about. And ultimately Marx was proven right by history. Decades of secularism and Nazi party's own ambivalence towards Christianity did not stop the holocaust. Infact they hated jews for entirely secular reasons. To predict that abandoning religion would not solve the jewish question was genius. And when you think about it, American protestant Christianity does have that streak of, "read the Bible and make a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ". This already smells of Alienation. Marx talks about the American religion fragmenting into hundreds of sects. Though it's the critique of liberalism, where the real meat of the matter lies.
>>25224566Soros strongly dislikes Israel but Bill Ackman and most Jews in finance don't
>>25224573Nazis hated the Jews enough to kill them, officially, because they saw the Jews as hotbeds of communism. Orders to soldiers to massacre Jews were given that justification, that it was the only way to save Europe from Bolshevism and had to be done for the greater good. Seen in this light, the Holocaust was just an extreme extension of the Freikorps and was panic-killing by the millions to prevent the fall of capitalism. But the major secondary factor, the one about Jews being greedy merchants etc, was ultimately just an excuse to cut their throats and rob them. It is this second point wherein Nazism most resembles Zionism
>>25224566The Politics of Apocalypse by Dan Cohn-Shebok is worth reading to understand who the Zionists are and where Zionism fits, or doesn’t fit at all, within Judaism.> Dan Cohn-Sherbok is Professor Emeritus of Judaism at the University of Wales. Born in Denver, Colorado, he was a student at Williams College, Massachusetts, spending a junior year in Athens, Greece. He was ordained a Reform rabbi at the Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion. He was Chaplain of the Colorado House of Representatives, and Honorary Colonel Aide-De-Camp of New Mexico. He received a PhD from Cambridge University, England. Later he received an honorary DD from the Hebrew Union College, New York. He taught theology at the University of Kent and served as Director of the Centre for the Study of Religion and Society, and was Professor of Judaism at the University of Wales. He is the author and editor of over 100 books which have been translated into Russian, Greek, Bulgarian, Hebrew, French, Spanish, Italian, Chinese, Swedish, Japanese, Turkish, Persian and German. He has also illustrated 25 books of cartoons.
>>25224595Zionism doesn't fit at all with Judaism but it does with modernized Judaism. Most Christians, Jews and Muslims follow more-or-less moderrnized versions of their religions unless they are highly insular sorts like Amish or Salafis or Ultra Hasidic Jews who require communities of the same mind in order to keep precepts
>>25224585>Bill Ackman and most Jews in finance don'tOk? Are they the ones pushing trans kids and open borders?No, it is ones like Soros, and they do the same to Israel.
>>25224473Abram Leon is an interesting guy to read. He agreed with Marx that to explain Jewish history starts with "the Jew in his economic and social role." He described Jews settling into merchant roles as not resulting from persecution (mainly) but the geographic conditions of Palestine because historically it was a highway for trade, and they had already spread around before the Romans came in and smashed the place up. Antisemitism was in essence a class struggle between landed types vs. the merchants. "The cause of ancient anti-Semitism is the same as for medieval anti-Semitism: the antagonism toward the merchant in every society based principally on the production of use values." Christianity was first a religion of slaves but then transformed into an ideology of landed proprieters who developed agriculture further. Persecution of Jews increased in Western Europe during the Middle Ages as cities grew.>From these few preliminary considerations, we can see how false is the general conception prevailing in the sphere of Jewish history. Above all the Jews constitute historically a social group with a specific economic function. They are a class, or more precisely, a people-class. The concept of class does not at all contradict the concept of people. It is because the Jews have preserved themselves as a social class that they have likewise retained certain of their religious, ethnic, and linguistic traits. This identification of a class with a people (or race) is far from being exceptional in precapitalist societies. Social classes were then frequently distinguished by a more or less national or racial character. He goes on to say that because Jews represented a primitive capitalism (mercantile and usurious), the development of modern capitalism would be fatal to their social position by assimilating them, but capitalism was failing to do that because it was failing when he wrote this book. The last chapter is titled "The decay of capitalism and the tragedy of the Jews in the 20th century." The book was actually published after he died. He died in a gas chamber BTW.
>>25224655From the last chapter. He describes a struggle between monopoly capital vs. speculative-commercial capital.>The long commercial past of the Jews weighed heavily on their descendants and the favorable postwar economic conditions brought about a perceptible process of deproletarianization in Western Europe as well as in the United States. The Jewish workers retained their artisan position in the countries of immigration. In Paris in 1936 out of 21,083 Jewish workers belonging to trade unions, 9,253 worked at home.>The economic catastrophe of 1929 threw the petty-bourgeois masses into a hopeless situation. The overcrowding in small business, artisanry and the intellectual professions took on unheard of proportions. The petty bourgeois regarded his Jewish competitor with growing hostility; for the latter’s professional cleverness, the result of centuries of practice, often enabled him to survive hard times more easily. Anti-Semitism even gained the ear of wide layers of worker-artisans, who traditionally had been under petty-bourgeois influence.>It is consequently incorrect to accuse big business of having brought about anti-Semitism. Big business only proceeded to make use of the elementary anti-Semitism of the petty-bourgeois masses. It fashioned it into a major component of fascist ideology. By the myth of “Jewish capitalism,” big business endeavored to divert and control the anticapitalist hatred of the masses for its own exclusive profit. The real possibility of an agitation against Jewish capitalists lay in the antagonism between monopoly capital and speculative-commercial capital, which Jewish capital was in the main. The relatively greater permeability of speculative capital (stock exchange scandal) allowed monopoly capital to channel the hatred of the petty-bourgeois masses and even of a part of the workers against “Jewish capitalism.”
>>25224624Soros doesn't push trans kids bro, he is literally just an old school democrat that opposed the war on terror. He said 9/11 was a job for interpol not the American military and that Hamas ans Hezbollah are rational actors and we should try to hear them out an negociate and because of the political climate back then he was seen as satanMoat high finance promotes and supports immigration because it makes wages go down and property prices go up. They only got ticked off about Muslim immigrants for obvious reasons
>>25224414> Makes me think Islamism is on its way out as this total alternative to Western influence. Islam will still exist and there will be "Islamic" governments like in Syria but in practice a "business Islam" is going to increasingly come to the fore as an ideological toolkit about how to do your mindset shift to create the deals.This is a very Western mindset that doesn’t really understand Islam. It is an all-encompassing, uncompromising worldview, that can’t be restrained to just “business Islam.” It will inevitably enforce itself in the social and cultural spheres as well. Syria is actually a perfect example, the business suit wearing leader is the same guy massacring non-Sunnis. The leftist underestimation of Islam has been their undoing in Islamic countries time and time again.
>>25224655The capitalist mode of production failed to assimilate Jews mostly because it blamed them for communism and in trying to eradicate them, created their attachment to their Jewish identity. Otherwise Jews would have probably tried to continue to blend in with WASPs by changing their names ans intermarrying
>>25224693Julani massacres non Sunnis mostly for the same reason Assad massacred Sunnis, just because he sees in them the greatest threat to his control.
>>25223772Marx was speaking about himself. He quite literally lived off the backs of others his entire life. He wrote poems worshiping Satan. Why would anyone care about his opinion on anything unless they were retarded
>>25224689This is really disingenuous. Soros promotes all forms of leftist social degeneration.Again, some finance Jews wanting h1bs is not the issue. >>25224698Jews did change their names and assimilate. What alternate history are you living in? They took to the capitalist system and did quite well and intermarried and took up mainstream culture as their own.
>>25224948Republicans promote more than Soros. Didn't Charlie Kirk boast about how Trump was spreading homosexuality internationally? Let's not be stupid. The New Left created by the CIA, and Conservatism created by the CIA, are just flavors of the same ideology which was created to combat communism
>>25224948>Jewish assimilation is when Jewish clan nepotism controls all media and finance and Jewish ethno-nationalism controls all politics
>>25223772>Indeed, the materialistic rule of the Jew over the Christian world has in the United States reached such everyday acceptability that the propagation of the Gospels, the teaching of Christianity itself, has become an article of commerce, and the bankrupt merchant deals in Gospels just as the enriched gospeler deals in businessThis is 100% spot on kek, no other country on earth could have invented megachurces
>>25224607I don’t want to derail the thread but Salafis are the modernists among Islamic sects. They exist as a response to western imperialism (also cultural imperialism and colonialism). Salafis are a relatively new sect although they do share traits with some older sects such as the Kharijites
>>25224959>Muh CIAMarxism has to pretty inept if millions simply lost faith in it because of CIA writing about it
>>25225130I wouldn't say people lost faith I would just say the CIA has more control over the educational systems in America than Marxists ever did
>>25223772Marx was right on nearly everything. He was genuinely the world's most intelligent human and he really had a knack for knowing what was relevant. Plus he was a poet, a freaking artiste better than anyone in literature who followed him 50 odd years after his passing. If there ever was a great man of history it's him.With Engels though you have to be careful. His journalism is to be respected. However! His scientific writing negatively affected the movement and is partly to blame for the USSR's and China's misplanning. A lot of people who have contributed to Neue Marx Lekture and people such as Pannekoek and Mattick have however set Marx's record straight. I recommend reading in that direction if you are studying Marx.If you are not studying Marx, start now. You may be bourgeoise, but can at least still appreciate the beautiful pictures the old man painted.
>>25225143Despite communists have control of their own education systems in Eastern Europe and Soviet Russia, somehow the CIA made them collapseWow the CIA must be like god or something
>>25225209>He was genuinely the world's most intelligent humanYou exaggerate shamelessly.
>>25225209Why did he die poor and every regime that followed his ideas collapse from famines and poverty if he was so intelligent?Most modern economists don't even care what he had to say and don't use him at all when making policy because he was a retard
>>25225217NTA but Marx was at least on the level of Einstein. His insight was insane.
>>25225217There was a study done on who the most infuential author in science and philosophy is and Marx came up on top.
>>25225227Are you a Marxist because you don't understand how representative samples work in statistics?
>>25225214I wouldn't blame the CIA for that, just for the state of leftism in America. The USSR collapsed due to de-Stalinization and the Sino-Soviet split
>>25225238Your economy must be really shit if all it takes is removing a single guy for it to collapse.
>>25225222Stupid is when poor and your work being intentionally misunderstood. Yes, China is communist and in the spirit of Marx, they have their communist billionaires, communist stock market, communist addictive social media and communist fiat currency. Btw you can replace China with USSR, same thing.>>25225235I am a Communist and I believe in what Marx wrote because he articulated himself and developed his ideas in a clear and coherent manner.
>>25225238The collapse of USSR was part of a greater global trend towards neoliberalism. Eastern Europe abandoned communist regimes to economically join the West. Many third world countries liberalised their economy. China adopted Dhengism. Even in the West long standing social services were abandoned under Thatcher and Regean. This followed straight after the establishment of petro-dollar. I don't know if there is a direct correlation though. Basically the elites decided that they don't need to play ball with the rest of us anymore as long as enough of us were fed and comfy.
>>25225248>Stupid is when poor and your work being intentionally misunderstood.The famines, mass murder, genocide and tyranny you caused were understood very wellyou pretty much are a violent terrorist
>>25223826>The Rothschilds were fucking ENNOBLED by the HapsburgsIn the 1800s, which is relevant because the feudal institutions that used Jews as moneylenders and scapegoats were being dissolved. As Marx is writing here the conditions of the past thousand years European Jews were a special, landless class who functioned as money lenders since gentiles could not charge interest and would thus be less likely to lend large sums of money. In the world Marx was describing, usury was also becoming part of christianity through the rise of capitalism. Antisemitism doesn't make a lot of sense today because gentiles have no problem charging interest or seeking rents, no longer being constrained by religious or political checks on that power.
>>25225251>Basically the elites decided that they don't need to play ball with the rest of us anymore as long as enough of us were fed and comfy.Were they wrong?
>>25225264>the bugman communist can only view the world through a material lens and fails to apprehend the myriad other factors that influence problemsMany many many many such cases
>>25225225People who shill Marx are no different than those pedophiles Chris Hansen who deny showing up to fuck underaged girlsDespite all the evidence of the horrible things you did and caused, you insist you did nothing wrong and you are avoid criticism
>>25225260>never held a weapon in their life>be alone anon somewhere in the universe>disavow killers like Mao>hold certein beliefsGeez, now I am supposed to be a violent terrorist? That's nonsense. I thought liberals were all about freedom of speech and opinion... Back to my point about being coherent.
>>25225265>Were they wrong?Idk. The 19th and early 20th century has taught them a lot about how to maintain Capitalist slavery without letting Capitalism spiral into complete societal collapse as Marx predicted. They have become adept at keeping everyone fed enough on one hand and breaking down political consciousness on the other. As for Capitalism's internal ticking time bomb, Central Banking structures and debt economy kind of puts a ducktape on it. But saying all that I don't see the situation improving in the future. This is clearly not sustainable and not for Marxist reasons but material reasons. The environment is worsening. Global temperatures are rising. Fossil fuel is limited. This consumption frenzy can't go on forever
>>25225296>Despite all the evidence of the horrible things you did and caused, I wish I was retarded enough to live in made up fantasy world's.
>>25225318>I wish I was retarded enough to live in made up fantasy world's.you're a communist tho nigga lmao
>>25225321Kek retard
>>25225313this makes sense
>>25224594K assume that communism was done and dusted in Germany by the late 30s. Nazis made sure of that. This goes beyond the threat of Bolshevism. Hitler did not appear out of a vaccum. The environment was already there in Germany and had been there for centuries. It simply took a non-christian form instead of a Christian one.
>>25223772Yeah. Just look at the state of american media and entertainment.
>>25225538>K assume that communism was done and dusted in Germany by the late 30sWhat
>>25225313The capitalist class is continuing to shrink and wealth is concentrating in fewer and fewer hands in order to keep prodir margins.
>>25225278Well, don't hold out. What are the other problems here?
>>25225765The devil and his countless demons. Such problems can only be solved by the church
>>25225907thats lowk smart twin
>>25225625>*I assume
>>25225745Yeah that too. This patchwork of fixes cannot hold for long
>>25226183That would be a totally incorrect assumption. The Nazis managed to end the recurring armed insurrections of communists, but the communists did very well in elections and it took a coalition of the Nazi and conservative parties to stop them. There were extensive communist and labor networks throughout Germany and they had a significant base.
>>25226200My point is that the targeting of jews was not primarily about routing communists. No historian believes that to be the case. ,
>>25223772Was he wrong about ANYTHING? The only real fluke of his is handwaving the problem of land value.
>>25226596>Was he wrong about ANYTHING?He actually thought that people would somehow rise above being greedy selfish little crabs in a bucket because it was in their best interests.
>>25225313>The environment is worsening. Global temperatures are rising. Fossil fuel is limited. This consumption frenzy can't go on foreverthis is just neo-malthusianism, there is no stopping capital
>>25226417Jews were not even the only ones who were targeted. The purging of degenerates started under the Freikorps, and they were almost exclusively concerned with tracking down and massacring German communists. This paramilitary movement was the soil that the Nazi networks grew out of. The bloodlust for communists was similar to any extremely authoritarian anti-communist reaction, like Franco or Pinochet, who saw communists as precariously close to taking over and indiscriminate violence the only option in such a state of emergency. Hitler's hatred for Jews was heavily intensified during this period when communist insurgents actually tried to kidnap hin for ransom and he held them off with a rifle. Middle-class and wealthy schools were occupied by communist insurgents and the children taken as hostages with demands that various regions of the country turn communist. The government of Germany was absolutely powerless and demilitarized, so far-right German paramilitaries stepped into and started going door-to-door and murdering leftists where they formed bonds and a common worldview. The Holocaust was absolutely an extension of this maelstrom of counter revolution. Whether historians like to admit it or not, the Holocaust was not accomplished by fiat through a few men, it required extensive help from soldiers and the justification given to these soldiers over and over and over again was that this was the only was to cure Germany's crisis. In eastern Europe of course this was hardly a problem, the whites during the Russian revolution and Russian civil often pogromed and massacred Jews because they saw them as the source of communism; the Nazis recruited such mindsets to do their killings during their occupation of eastern Europe and presented themselves as saving the land from the threat of communism. But in Germany, killing Jews, many of whom had served in WWII and were neighbors and friends, that requires invoking Germany's interwar issues. Whatever Hitler's motives, his will required official motives, and those are the ones under consideration because those are the motives of the machine that needed to issue hard liquor to soldiers who frequently afflicted with extreme grief or vomiting in their service to industrialized murder
>>25226769Served in WWI*
>>25226625>this is just neo-malthusianismSo we are just waiting for Capital to magically conjure up technological solutions to these real issues? >>25226769All I can say is, that's an interesting take. I don't know what putting slum dwelling children in gas chambers got to do with curbing communism. Or why would they make them walk around with the star of David on their clothes with juden written over it. Sure he might have blamed them for Bolshevism but how is that different from blaming them for poisoning the well?
>>25226936Associating ethnic minorities with communism is hardly unique to Jews, the FBI did the same with blacks in America for the same reasons. By contrast Jews poisoning the well had purely to do with Jews as a highly insular religious community, the Medieval troglodyte would see them more like how we see Scientologists today than how we see ethnic minorities, except even more insular. Imagine, an insular cult no one knows anything about except it rejects Jesus (and is therefore satanic--remember Muslims were also held to worship a trinity of demons). This is a matter of superstition religious people, whereas the Holocaust was a matter of capitalism itself becoming paranoid and superstitious At the end of the day, you might say purges to protect Christianity from satanisn, and purges to protect capitalism from communism, are the same thing in many ways. You aren't wrong but it is also important not to conflate those phenomena. Eastern European countries treated religious Jews like shit and conduct pogroms on them even after the rest of Europe accepted them, but this was about religion, Jews who stopped practicing (which was required to be in the Jewish community) were not subject to these sorts of terrors or discrimination *until* the Russian Revolution and Russian Civil War wherein many whites saw secular Jews as hotbeds of reds, and massacred and tortured them.
Wasn't Marx a Jew himself?
>>25227041>At the end of the day, you might say purges to protect Christianity from satanisn, and purges to protect capitalism from communism, are the same thing in many ways. I believe this is the point Marx was trying to make with regards to jews. Of course not particularly the communism part since that did not happen during his time. But he knew that religious prosecution will take secular forms even if religion is abolished. Because the religious division between jews and non-jews itself has some basis in the material base-structureThe fact is, imperialists didn't have to run progroms against an entire community in their misguided and haphazard attempt at countering revolution. The history of the treatement of jews is not irrelevant here. And if you are still not convinced, you can ask why jews in particular were so susceptible to communism. Maybe the historic development of their community in relation to rest of Europe lead them to that conclusion. Which means there is a correlation between the religious prosecutions and the pogroms, because the historic relational position to non-jews, which made them well poisoning Christ deniers, developed into the relational position which made them the hotbed for communist movement, in the eyes of their enemies.
>>25227767>The fact is, imperialists didn't have to run pogroms against an entire community in their misguided and haphazard attempt at countering revolutionCapitalism in Marxism is not rational and does not act logically and rationally. It has its own logic and reason but they become more and more divorced from reality in order to ignore blatant contradictions within capitalism. Hitler's case was capitalism becoming extremely paranoid and psychotic, like a man who kills his neighbor's child and grinds him up in (his mind) self defense.The correlation was one of an ethnic minority that had been ghettoized in Eastern Europe, which meant Jews became associated with the "menacing poor" in the eyes of reactionaries, the zombie hordes who will eat the rich. Even Jews in Europe looked at Eastern Jews this way, Kafka describes, in his notebooks, how his father said Jews from eastern Europe were vermin. Paul Gottfried, a far-right Jewish thinker who strongly identified with pre Nazi German conservatism, even, despite being a practicing Jew and a Zionist, to say Eastern European Jews are a dangerous ethnicity and are at fault for leftism and communism, while trying to say German Jews were good men who assimilated. When eastern European Jews started migrating to western Europe, elite western European Jews tended to feel disgusted and embarrassed. Their ethnicity was hardly in poor standing among capitalists by then, I already mentioned the Rothschilds of nobility, Disraeli, amd Benjamin P Judah. Now suddenly you have what were the "niggers" of the time and place using their own slang with glaring accents and lack of familiar with grammar or high culture: Jews (poverty is even what popularized basketball among eastern European Jews, who dominated it before blacks). So when you thought of the wretched, repugnant poor in Europe, you came to think of vagrants, schizophrenics gypsies, and...Jews When capitalism feels threatened, it is most threatened by the poor. It is threatened by people who have nothing to lose.
>>25226936>So we are just waiting for Capital to magically conjure up technological solutions to these real issues?It’s unironically happening, look at solar power adoption, geoengineering, etc. Climate change is a solved problem.
>>25227822Solar power is extremely regulated to ensure it stays profitable for the capitalist class supplying the power. It will never ever be adopted where it is immediately and easily cheaper than other forms of power, because regulations of some form will prevent it. If that weren't the case, it would already be used everywhere. Individual homes that use solar only do it if the installation fees and maintenance and agreements with the energy companies are so expensive that it hardly saves them anything. To say nothing of business.
>>25223772hey that's not the title of the essay!
>>25227879It will be adopted. No one can fight the tide forever.
>>25228111Rent-seeking isn't just fighting the tide, it is capitalism itself. Solar power will absolutely be widely adopted once the sunlight itself is privatized
Every time I see another resentful marxist screech about rent seeking it makes me want to raise the rent on the two houses I inherited but then I remember that I live the comfy neet life and they fume impotently in the wage cage and I magnanimously stay my hand.
>>25228186Rent-seeking is an orthodox economics term and doesn't primarily refer to renting out propertyhttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp
