I.Q drops and no Latin/Ancient Greek taught even in late primary/elementary anymore? That's like a sign of decay but it's far worse with non-reading comprehension and A.I. generated answers to retarded questions by teachers for kids these days. How would this be related and why has public education discarded these languages as white supremacy or some stupid forgetfulness to their use cases in literature and science? Don't they realize it's important for naming creatures, medicines, law and physics or mathematical concepts as the very bones of these subjects? It even touches art and shit you would not think of being high education and classical western like geometry and measurement plus perspective etc...
Plato should be mentioned in history class in like 8th/9th grade
>>25226428>why has public education discarded these languages as white supremacypolfaced chuds just making shit up
Latin education has been declining since the 18th century.
Latin is not as useful as one would think in deducing the meaning of phrases.ad hoc -> to this. what?ad hominem -> to the man. what?voir dire -> to see to say. what? and that's assuming you know French.Now if you looked up the meaning of those phrases, then it would all come together. But figuring it out on the spot just from a literal translation? Not on your life.Anyway, I still agree that we should teach Latin in schools because working through their grammar is so didactic. In my opinion, it is more educational than fluency. But I'm starting to think Korean is more important because then kids can see what a sane writing system looks like. Stop teaching Mandarin to our kids.
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>>25226428Primary school education should unironically prioritize language acquisition at the expense of anything else
>>25226428Just study Latin. There’s a general up 365 days a year on /lit/. You’re not getting any younger. I got biblical and similar level text reading fluency in a year and am reading Caesar now.But yes to answer your question OP, the death of the classics I think has had untold consequences on our society because it severs the sense of continuity and of being Western that past generations had.
Latin and Greek are both taught at my former high school, with Greek being taught there due, partially, to my own influence. I also brought back Sanskrit to my college. There are people willing to be healed, even if they only see it as a curiosity or a way to pad their resumes.
In Slovenia you can take Latin in primary school if you want. But as an adult with means you will learn it way faster from the get go, especially now with the Latin app.
>>25228711Wasnt that the intention of the trivium? Focusing on grammar, logic, and rhetoric? Or are you talking about learning multiple languages?
>>25228772>>25228784I'm on a bit of a "self-development" thing. The physical is obvious with the gym etc, but what would you guys recommend for the intellect? Learn classical languages and read the classics? Learn English better? What would be the big, simple first action (the equivalent of going to the gym)?
>>25228984Start with the Greeks (in translation). It's a meme for a reason. You don't need to learn Greek or Latin, at least not in the way you would learn a language like French or Spanish. At least not at the beginning, since it would take up too much time and might turn you off the whole project. You can pick up plenty of Greek and Latin cognates from just reading literature in English
>>25229006Fair enough. The oldest memes always have some truth to them.
>>25226428Quite frankly anything other than English is vanity since everything important is in English. Greek is cool though. And yes, I am a hardcore biology/genetics/chemistry fag. That’s the end all be all of important subjects.
>>25229066I agree. It would be better to develop a persons English instead of spending time learning the rudiments of another language. Develop the vocabulary for better precision of thought. Develop a fuller architecture of expression. Even a couple dozen quotations would add to a person's language skills.
Classical Latin and Greek are probably the most translated languages of all time. Classics written in Latin and ancient Greek are themselves among the most translated works of all time. They also present the largest cultural gap in the western canon. Even if you learn ancient Greek, you can't read like a ancient Greek would have. Also they are (obviously) dead languages with no practical utility. All in all these are piss poor choices of languages especially for school children. Just learn German or French.>erm what about naming shitFuck off. We're speaking English. Stop using random Latin phrases. It's not ab initio, it's first principles. FUCKING STOP.
>>25229077I think you need to log off for a while until you gain control of your hysterics.
>>25228772Your last point really explains why, at least in my view, the western world has the problems it now does. No one really considers their ancestors because of this cut from the classics. As a result people try to fill that void with the nonsense we now see. Also did you use lingua latina familia romana to learn latin and if so how did you find it?
>>25226428New binomial names are named after Star Wars and other redditisms now!
>>25228984Focus on Latin. Doing Latin and Greek before you’re proficient in either is too much, and it substantially improves your high register reading and writing ability in English anyways.>>25229170Yes I used LLPSI Familia Romana the most. The cool thing being self-taught is I was constantly trying new things as well. So I also would randomly go and read a grammar book, or would just google grammar frequently when I had questions. There’s a real wealth of other easy readers too. But then eventually you have to jump out of the nest and try to fly, and reading texts where the goal is to communicate to someone who already knows the language fully, rather than to teach you the language via the text presents a lot of unique challenges to overcome and skills you need to acquire. The gospels and genesis in the vulgate are the easiest latin out there, and the latin gospels (and psalms) in particular are the foundational texts of latin literacy from like 500-1500, so they’re immensely influential on the corpus straight through to the present. For them, I used a parallel translation, and a monolingual latin text to reread. Reading volume is really key, which sounds intensive but really just means that Latin is close enough to English that you can realistically learn massive amounts just by reading readers and then at-level texts like 30 minutes a day if you just do it consistently.
>>25229006Oh yeah you can and should read translations if you’ve never read any of the canon before. Parallel translations are a great tool for doing both. I got a parallel translation of the Gallic Wars right when I was starting to learn Latin, and read the English first in its entirety, not as a linguistic pursuit, but to learn the history, and it still benefited me later when rereading in Latin. Same goes for the Bible and many other texts. So do not consider the language a “barrier” to at least all the famous stuff that’s been translated.
>>25226465Of course he's completely right>>25226468So has intelligence and society>>25229055Hopefully that means you're doing SS+GOMAD too
>>25229464>Hopefully that means you're doing SS+GOMAD tooI'm running an even older meme lol
>IQ drops>90% White America (TRAD) average IQ in 1900: SIX SEVEN>Latin stops getting taught in schools around 1960 in favor of STEM (aryan)>IQ continues rising until 2008Chudbros...
>>25226428ESL?
>>25229486Not really sure what you're trying to say here but>IQ continues rising until 2008is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard. >>25229490Not OP but who cares and why do you think it's worth making a post like that.
>>25229464He's not right, you rightoids have a victim complex and just like to cry and whine at made up stuff
>>25229498This is such a childish way to look at reality. You have been completely brainwashed.Anyways. So then why has school dumbed down and stopped teaching Greek and Latin and Christianity and replaced it with intersectionality and feminism? What is your explanation?
>is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.So you trust le suppressed empirical IQ science except when it disagrees with you?
>>25226428We had latin as a possible language course in middle/high school back in the early 2010s.
>>25229486Yeah consistent nutrition and public education and all. It’s remained steady among white people too. Latin is an anti modern pursuit, an improvement of the self. And proficiency when it was taught to half of high schoolers was so rare anyways hardly anyone was that good. It’s still worth studying and certainly affected the culture of elites though for the better. But for every one proficient latinist 100 years ago there was 10,000 hicks.
>>25229547Learning Latin is great, I studied ancient Greek in college. But these chuds live off aesthetics and vibes. Learning an ancient language does not help kids with problem solving skills the way STEM does, nor is it as important culturally as learning history or literature (translated or not). In the time you could get a kid proficient in Latin, you could've just taught him the entire history of Rome. History classes stick with you as an adult far more than foreign language, which most people forget as soon as they aren't forced to speak in basic French for 45min a day.
>>25229520Where lol? I studied Latin and Ancient Greek in school. Again, you are just making shit up
>>25229642>It's not happening!Yes I knew that would be your response.
>>25229568That's great but they're not learning anything useful anyways. Learning a language is one of the only things I retained from school.
>>25229568This sentiment takes it too far. Your history course should not conflict at all with languages. These aren’t in opposition to each other.
>>25228772>Biblical LatinWhat?
>>25229644Yeah it's not happening, you have provided no proof it's happening, you just made shit up. Show me where Latin and ancient Greek, two dead languages of two mediterranean civilizations have ever been considered ''white supremacy'' (a mostly US phenomenon) by academia
>>25229991I would like to hear your explanation for why society and school has been dumbed down so much, if not, implicitly, to combat 'white supremacy' (we need more blacks and girls to pass so we'll lower the requirements and stop teaching trig and Greek and blah blah).
>>25226428commies and neocomservatives who talk like llms are the real anti intellectuals
>>25229991Clearly you have never been to a typical classics event in the US
Do masses really need to be educated in Latin or Greek? More worrying is the declining quality of elite schools...
>>25229066You may be smart, but you are unwise and a fool.
>>25229568Latin grammar is very logical and mechanistic, which lends itself to other areas of science like writing code
>>25231028People say this, and I don’t think it’s untrue, but I think it’s more that the flexible word order and word ending changes just require a very different kind of precision of a variety specifically new to English speakers, while English grammar is based around much more rigid word order and analytic chunks. The better your English is in difficult prose the easier you will find Latin, since both can create these sprawling multiclause sentences, it’s just that English tends to be actually more explicit and mechanical. So Latin is absolutely a valuable mental trainer, but in part it’s just because in the process of learning it you learn a lot of formal English grammar too, and you spend a lot of time with the prose that our formal register is based upon. Like, for many languages people may struggle to read the Bible, but in Latin St. Jeromes Vulgate is the simplest of the surviving prose by native Romans.
>>25228784>I also brought back Sanskrit to my college.so you made your colllege more jeet?
