Why does no one use exclamation marks anymore?
Reddit buried the exclamation mark; AI will do the same with the em dash.
>>25227724>AI will do the same with the em dashThe MFA and PHD style guides already buried it. Rest in piss.
>>25227722I use them a lot! How do you like me now!!
It honestly makes me happy whenever I see one. Schopenhauer does this sometimes, and it's pretty fun everytime he does so.
honest answer: i dont really see many people irl "use exclamation marks" in that nobody gets too excited about anything. nobody in my house suddenly says, "O, Gods! Gods, from Olympus to the Styx, how great life can be!" or some shit. i read periods, question marks and exclamation marks as tone indicators rather than conveyors of emotion (if you pay attention in life, many questions are asked with the tonality you'd associate with a period, especially by brits) and since im reading litfic for introspection/complex ideas/wordplay/use of language, not imagination or over-the-topness, i would prefer to see the text and the characters come across more realistic than in Artemis Fowl, for example. this transfers into the use of punctuation, of which exclamation marks are a part
>>25227731Calm down.
>>25227775I don't take orders from a troglodyte like you! Leave this thread, at once!!
>>25227722It gives the impression that you care. Caring is gay in current year.
>>25227797Why are zoomers so terrified of sincerity?
>>25227794SIR PLEASE REMOVE YOUR HAND FROM MY PENIS!!!
Why does no one use interrobangs anymore‽
>>25227854last night I interrobanged your burger agent
>>25227802Everything is permanent these days. Anything dumb you do as a child can be recorded by a random person and follow you forever. So zoomer children quickly learn that the only socially acceptable thing is scrool 24/7 in a corner somewhere.
I tried to in my Masters thesis (applied maths) where appropriate to make it juicy and the prof. didn't allow it.
Quiet down in here, people are trying to pretend to read!
Why does no one use percontation points anymore⸮
>>25227729>creative writing programs>condemn creativity>promote cookie-cutter stylizingwhat went wrong?
>>25227802They're desperate for approval, so they never say anything in earnest in case it attracts criticism.
>>25229396There's just no answer to that.
>>25227722Don’t they? One more reason not to bother with contemporary literature if you ask me. The books I read have plenty of exclamation points.~‘Which reminds me — ’ the White Queen said, looking down and nervously clasping and unclasping her hands, ‘we had *such* a thunderstorm last Tuesday — I mean one of the last set of Tuesdays, you know.’Alice was puzzled. ‘In our country,’ she remarked, ‘there’s only one day at a time.’The Red Queen said, ‘That’s a poor thin way of doing things. Now here, we mostly have days and nights two or three at a time, and sometimes in the winter we take as many as five nights together — for warmth, you know.’‘Are five nights warmer than one night, then?’ Alice ventured to ask.‘Five times as warm, of course.’‘But they should be five times as *cold*, by the same rule — ’‘Just so!’ cried the Red Queen. ‘Five times as warm, *and* five times as cold — just as I’m five times as rich as you are, *and* five times as clever!’— Lewis Carroll, ‘Through The Looking-Glass’~The year’s at the spring,And day’s at the morn;Morning’s at seven;The hill-side’s dew-pearl’d;The lark’s on the wing;The snail’s on the thorn;God’s in His heaven —All’s right with the world!— Robert Browning, ‘Pippa Passes’~To Anarchy, however million-headed, there is no victory possible. Patience, silence, diligence, ye chosen of the world! Slowly or fast in the course of time you will grow to a minority that can actually step forth (sword not yet drawn, but sword ready to be drawn), and say “here are we, Sirs; we also are minded to vote, — to all lengths, as you may perceive. A company of poor men (as friend Oliver termed us) who will spend all our blood, if needful!” What are Beales and his 50,000 roughs against such; what are the noisiest anarchic Parliaments, in majority of a million to one, against such? Stubble against fire. Fear not, my friend; the issue is very certain when it comes so far as this!— Thomas Carlyle, ‘Shooting Niagara’
>>25229442>CarrollFuck off. Seriously, delete this post right now.
I think it works really well when used ironically, there's something hilariously unserious about it. Even when I read stuff like Dostoevsky it sounds funny in my head when there's an exclamation mark.
I do. I also like to use them mid-sentence, and continue with a lowercase after it.
>>25229442evangelion reference
>>25229442Oh! the metempsychosis! Oh! Pythagoras, that in bright Greece, two thousand years ago, did die, so good, so wise, so mild; I sailed with thee along the Peruvian coast last voyage — and, foolish as I am, taught thee, a green simple boy, how to splice a rope!— Herman Melville, ‘Moby Dick’~If you can fill the unforgiving minuteWith sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,And — which is more — you’ll be a Man, my son! — Rudyard Kipling, ‘If’~Toad went a little faster; then faster still, and faster.He heard the gentlemen call out warningly, “Be careful, washerwoman!” And this annoyed him, and he began to lose his head.The driver tried to interfere, but he pinned him down in his seat with one elbow, and put on full speed. The rush of air in his face, the hum of the engines, and the light jump of the car beneath him intoxicated his weak brain. “Washerwoman, indeed!” he shouted recklessly. “Ho! ho! I am the Toad, the motor-car snatcher, the prison-breaker, the Toad who always escapes! Sit still, and you shall know what driving really is, for you are in the hands of the famous, the skilful, the entirely fearless Toad!”— Kenneth Grahame, ‘The Wind In The Willows’
>>25227722WE HAVE ALL CAPS FOR SCREAMING
Exclamation points are cringe ngl frfr
>>25229442That's a big post
makes you gay
>>25229450utterly irony poisoned
SAAR DO NOT REDEEM!!!
>>25227722It doesn’t read seriously to me. It creates the wrong effect. People talking about irony poisoning are missing the point. It’s not that sincere excitement, agitation, etc, are passe - it that’s the exclamation make doesn’t evoke them correctly
>>25229754>the exclamation mark doesn't evoke excitement You wear Rick and Morty backpacks in public, how could an autist like you possibly understand what evokes something?
>>25229467O woman, shapely as the swan,In a cunning house hard-reared was I:O bosom white, O well-shaped palm,I shall not die!— Padraic Colum, ‘O Woman Shapely As The Swan’~I threw out a salmon egg and let it drift down over that rock and WHAM! a good hit! and I had the fish on and it ran hard downstream, cutting at an angle and staying deep and really coming on hard, solid and uncompromising, and then the fish jumped and for a second I thought it was a frog. I’d never seen a fish like that before.God-damn! What the hell!— Richard Brautigan, ‘Trout Fishing In America’~Seht, ich lehre euch den Übermenschen!Der Übermensch ist der Sinn der Erde. Euer Wille sage: der Übermensch sei der Sinn der Erde!— Friedrich Nietzsche, ‘Also Sprach Zarathustra’
>>25227722does anyone have that /lit/ screencap that's like "look here's every dostoevsky novel" and it's a pitch-perfect parody of Notes from Underground about whether or not to cum on a prostitute or something? lot of exclamation marks in it
>>25227722Dostoevsky and Céline were the funniest human beings to ever live.
>>25229706completely sith-pilled
>>25229706It's been like this since I was like 8 years old probably and I never had the internet or even tv or anything until I was basically a young adult so not irony poisoning, just always perceived it that way.
>>25227722it's too aggressive and it scares women, who are the only ones that read books.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg
>>25230570Fucking foids with their smut and YA. Put my fist through their fucking face.
>>25229779Just spent ages looking for it and couldn't find it but I totally know exactly what you're talking about and it's really fucking funny
>>25227722Unless a character is literally yelling in story, it's corny. You don't need exclamations to get big points across.
>>25230577How is it corny?
>>25230579It's sort of like adding on a wow or yikes or gee willikers.
>>25229442Modern books use the punctuation mark too.Well, back here, Crutchfield’s little pard has just come out of the barn. His little pard of the moment, anyway. Crutchfield has left a string of broken-hearted little pards across this vast alkali plain. One little feeb in South Dakota,One little hustler in San Berdoo,One little chink run away from the railroadWith his ass just as yellow as Fu Manchu!One with the clap and one with a goiter,One with the terminal lepro-see,Cripple on the right foot, cripple on the left foot,Crippled up both feet ’n’ that makes three!Well one little fairy, even one bull dyke,One little nigger, one little kike,One Red Indian with one buffalo,And a buffalo hunter from New Mexico . . .And on, and on, one of each of everything, he’s the White Cocksman of the terre mauvais, this Crouchfield, doing it with both sexes and all animals except for rattlesnakes (properly speaking, “rattlesnake,” since there’s only one), but lately seems he’s been havin’ these fantasies about that rattlesnake, too! Fangs just tickling the foreskin . . . the pale mouth open wide, and the horrible joy in the crescent eyes. . . .
>>25230592This nigga doesnt read dostoevsky, mark twain, faulkner, or tostoy!!! Lol!!!
>>25230592What's wrong with that?
>>25230592“Jeepers,” sez Slothrop.
>>25229773To blow this horn was for me a real pleasure, almost a vice. I will go further and declare that if I were obliged to record, in a roll of honour, those activities which in the course of my interminable existence have given me only a mild pain in the balls, the blowing of a rubber horn — toot! — would figure among the first.— Samuel Beckett, ‘Molloy’~God’s lioness,How one we grow,Pivot of heels and knees!— Sylvia Plath, ‘Ariel’~And then this Bear, Pooh Bear, Winnie-the-Pooh, F.O.P. (Friend of Piglet’s), R.C. (Rabbit’s Companion), P.D. (Pole Discoverer), E.C. and T.F. (Eeyore’s Comforter and Tail-finder) — in fact, Pooh himself — said something so clever that Christopher Robin could only look at him with mouth open and eyes staring, wondering if this was really the Bear of Very Little Brain whom he had known and loved so long.“We might go in your umbrella,” said Pooh.“?”“We might go in your umbrella,” said Pooh.“? ?”“We might go in your umbrella,” said Pooh.“!!!!!!”For suddenly Christopher Robin saw that they might.— A. A. Milne, ‘Winnie The Pooh’
>>25227741>Schopenhauer does this sometimes, and it's pretty fun everytime he does so.It is. AS is a funny mixture of annoying and endearing.A vile practice appearing with more impudent blatantness every day which deserves special reproof is that in scholarly books and in specifically learned journals, even those published by academics, passages from Greek, and even (*proh pudor*) from Latin authors are cited in German translation. Devil take it! Are you writing for tailors and cobblers?— ‘On Books And Reading’>>25229455>I also like to use them mid-sentence, and continue with a lowercase after it.Yes, we need more of this.YESTERDAY This Day's Madness did prepare;TO-MORROW’s Silence, Triumph, or Despair:Drink! for you not know whence you came, nor why:Drink! for you know not why you go, nor where.— Omar Khayyam, Rubaiyat [tr. Fitzgerald]If you want to be really cute you can try two in a row:“Look at me now,” he tells the guys and lifts a glass to the light, “getting my first glass of orange juice in six months. Hooee, that’s good. I ask you, what did I get for breakfast at that work farm? What was I served? Well, I can describe what it *looked* like, but I sure couldn’t hang a name on it; morning noon and night it was burnt black and had potatoes in it and looked like roofing glue. I know one thing; it wasn’t orange juice. Look at me now: bacon, toast, butter, eggs — coffee the little honey in the kitchen even asks me if I like it black or white thank you — and a great! big! cold glass of orange juice. Why, you couldn’t *pay* me to leave this place!”— Ken Kesey, ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest’
>>25227854>Why does no one use interrobangs anymore‽No-one uses that thing, and they are right not to. It’s an illegible mess.!? and ?! are OK, though. They look fine and don't require a new symbol and convey a clear meaning even if you never saw them before.
>>25227722The Elements of Style
>>25231117In years of browsing i have never seen anyone who actualky read recommend this book but i consider it essential for writers.
>>25230594Yeah, TP uses them a lot in song lyrics, but there's always a few levels of irony on top so it's a slightly different vibe. Not the honest straightfoward right cross of an olde-worlde exclamation point.
