The great debate
How different are they? Never read em
Wait how is this a debateThey're wildly different novels and both are fantasticIs there anyone trying to argue one over the other???
>>25230239One put the yellow text first and the other put the red text first.
>>25230272Ah, okay, I see
>>25230272Yellow title text is objectively better for giving the title more contrast at a distance.
>>25230240i enjoyed recognitions more i thinlk
>>25230390So did I, but I would never try to debate that it's 'better' than J R, J R was fantastic in its own and entirely separate wayDon't think I've read a funnier book than J R
>>25230390insightful stuff
>>25230390I found the faults of TR to be difficult to accept, they come from ignorance and inexperience; the faults of JR were largely purposeful, you can't find the limits of dialogue without crossing the line on occasion. Even things like the horrific chapter when Jack narrates himself was less offensive than some of the heavily contrived "dialogues" in TR. I like TR more than JR, but that is just because I prefer a balance between narration and dialogue instead of either extreme. JR does an amazing job of showing the strengths and weaknesses of dialogue and is a better novel in every way, but I found it lacking. >>25230838JR is hilarious but the humor started to wear on me after ~500 pages, it is almost monotone. TR was much better in this regard, better use of contrast in tone, JR was comparatively simplistic in this which makes the emotion rather simplistic.
>>25230226I dislike these NYRB versions. I appreciate that they're keeping them in print, but they're so ugly and annoying to read. If you plan on reading these books physically, get yourself used Dalkey copies.
>>25233547>t. Otto
bump
>>25230838>Don't think I've read a funnier book than J RI used to post on here that JR had a laugh or joke on nearly every page. The absolute banger episode where the lawyer comes up to the apartment and meets Gibbs, Bast and Schramm and Jack tells him to "pull up a Thomas Register and sit down" and then dares Edward to read Keats' sonnet in less than three seconds because he's been taking a speed-reading course ("Tom quick get him a book!") will live in my head for a long time. It is one of the most consistently funny books I've ever read, the only other book I've ever truly laughed out loud hysterically is Twain's Innocents Abroad.>>25230390>>25232351I lived with TR for so many years before I got around to reading JR. I first read TR when I was 24 and I think I got to it at just the right time for it to make a real impact (I believe in the right book at the right time). It's true, there is that depth of feeling and youthful vigor, the unpolished feeling and maniacal cataloging that is decadent alongside Jr's exhausted sarcasm and exhausting wit. I will say I have a big soft spot in my dumb heart for the parts where Gaddis depicts JR as a real kid, the parts where you can tell he's just a lonely kid who wants to have a family even if it's just a bunch of people playing the same game he is; or when he's riding in the limo with Bast and he tells him this is what he'd always wanted, for them to be riding down Wall Street together; or when they have their final fight and he hurts his foot and has a hard time keeping up with Bast.
>>25235486forgot the pic
When the fuck vintage or penguin publishers will print and sell the edition of William gaddis works so that I can finally get a hand on his literature in my piss poor third world country?
>>25235503just buy one off ebay or something
>>25233547>annoying to readwhy
i liked tr but think i'm getting filtered by jr. i'm 300 pages in and don't feel hooked yet. it's just people having boring and awkward conversations in offices about things that don't seem to matter.
