>At the conclusion of the conference, a tribute to Comrade Stalin was called for. Of course, everyone stood up (just as everyone had leaped to his feet during the conference at every mention of his name). ... For three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, the stormy applause, rising to an ovation, continued. But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. And the older people were panting from exhaustion. It was becoming insufferably silly even to those who really adored Stalin.>However, who would dare to be the first to stop? … After all, NKVD men were standing in the hall applauding and watching to see who would quit first! And in the obscure, small hall, unknown to the leader, the applause went on – six, seven, eight minutes! They were done for! Their goose was cooked! They couldn’t stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! At the rear of the hall, which was crowded, they could of course cheat a bit, clap less frequently, less vigorously, not so eagerly – but up there with the presidium where everyone could see them?>The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! In anguish he watched the secretary of the District Party Committee, but the latter dared not stop. Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers! And even then those who were left would not falter…>Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone? To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved!>The squirrel had been smart enough to jump off his revolving wheel. That, however, was how they discovered who the independent people were. And that was how they went about eliminating them. That same night the factory director was arrested. They easily pasted ten years on him on the pretext of something quite different. But after he had signed Form 206, the final document of the interrogation, his interrogator reminded him:>“Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding.”
>>25231278I'm anti-communist but this is sounds apocryphal. People love sharing stupid stories like this. About communism, fascism, whatever. Just dumb and hysterical.
>>25231278Every bad idea has its adherents even the idea of summary execution without trial for basic misdemeanors.Doesn't mean we need bi-hourly threads about it.
Commies are bizarre because the real elephant in the room is they totally ignore all the mass murderers of prominent communists, and act like it was no big deal.Apparently Stalin just shooting and murdering most of the Old Bolsheviks is never part of any conversation.
>>25231278>>25231321When polled Russians who lived during the Soviet Union said life under Communism was better than what they have today.A lot of North Korean defectors say they want to return home after getting a taste of life in the crapitalist south.All of the accusations come from Communism’s enemies who have an obvious incentive to lie and make it sound as bad as possible. Nothing they say should be taken at face value.But the most damning of all is WHO actually made those claims. Let’s take a look at history’s most famous anticommunists shall we?>Hitler>Joseph McCarthy>Pinochet>Suharto>Ferdinand MarcosWhat a coincidence! All of them mass murderers, brutal dictators and paranoid schizophrenics.The evidence is clear: to be anticommunist you have to be insane or evil.Anticommunist should be reclassified as what it is: a mental illness.
>>25231278>Commit a crime>Go to jailAmerifats understand this viscerally. There is an Amerifat language game played by everyone from schoolchildren to the elderly, it goes like this: This man committed a crime? He will be raped in jail. The more abstract the allusion to rape, the funnier it is. Amerifats also have a far higher prison population than the USSR at its height. Yet Amerifats make 8th graders read this book about how horrifying it is when a country across the seas makes people go to jail for committing crimes.
>>25231339>When polled Russians who lived during the Soviet Union said life under Communism was better than what they have today.That's why Tsar Nicholas is more popular than Lenin and Stalin, lolfucking retard
>>25231384During destalinization, millions of people were released from the gulags because most of the crimes were simply criticizing the government, saying mean things to Stalin, or just running a business That's never happened in the US because most people, in the US, only go to prison for things they actually did. Unlike in communist countries.
>>25231384>merifats also have a far higher prison population than the USSR at its heightBecause the USSR murdered millions of people and worked many of them to death.You're basically admitting the US is more humane to its prisons than the communists were.
>>25231278>taking solzhenitsyn seriouslyoh, you retard.
>>25231405Why did the USSR ban if it wasn't so serious?Why were they so afraid of this book being published that they threw people in jail for it
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>>25231422Maga projection
>>25231447Yep, it was MAGA's fault Stalin and Beria raped kids, chud!
>>25231451>Beria was killed by Soviet elites to prevent an elite child sex ring from forming.>Epstein was killed by Atlanto-Zionist elites to prevent an elite child sex ring from being dismantled.
>>25231390You're arguing with a cretin in favor of rock-hard poop being superior to watery-liquid poop. You're also wrong. None of those exist as separate options in the minds of Hivans, it's simply an amalgamation of different flavors of nostalgia for serfdom, humiliation and exaltation.
>>25231612>Epstein was killed by Atlanto-Zionist elites Stalin was a Zionist-Atlanto elite, leftranny.He literally created Israel
I'm sure the average Russian just loves communism with polls like this
>>25231416He's ironically correct. Solzhenitsyn represents the quintessential midwit who has just enough self-awareness to perceive what he and his are doing as wrong, but nowhere near enough to understand it's because they are in fact fundamentally wretched subhumans that need to be culled. So instead he must resort to laying the blame on some vague, general human nature that is corrupt, with each of us being equally capable of George Floydisms, and therefore simply victims of cruel socieconomic factors/history/society that marginalizes you for no good reason. And, of course, given the opportunity, he will repeat everything all over again because he learned absolutely nothing.
>>25231278>Yet retards will still support communism to put it simply i want the planet to figure out communism but i don't want to resurrect the nkvd, and i disagree if you think we can't have one without the other. we're only 200 years into industrial capitalism; history has taken us so far already and will take us unimaginably further still.
>>25231684This is doing a lot of heavy lifting for communists They think Solzhenitsyn is CIA, it's really that deepAll this is besides the point, Solzhenitsyn was no different than Prigozhin yet a lot of what he said about Russia was true before he was killedIt doesn't discount the fact they gave valuable information about the inner workings of Russia
a man with ties to cuba redpilled me on communism yesterday and what the remaining portion of his family there has to go through
>>25231705>They think Solzhenitsyn is CIA, it's really that deepIt's probably the case that his books were pushed by US intelligence as Anti-Soviet propaganda. Nobody denies the US deep state did that with Rand and Orwell. Solzy himself was a resentful loser of a political revolution who wanted to punish the victors, same with Miami Cubans. They aren't constructs of the CIA, but the CIA can and does help get them comfy careers in media.
>>25231339>When polled Russians who lived during the Soviet Union said life under Communism was better than what they have today.Did they also ask those that were killed?
>>25231281There might be some embellishment in this story since Solzhenitsyn would do that, some of what he wrote were basically folk tales, but they really would clap for minutes. Die-hard communist meetings get the crowd clapping like robotic butterflies. There were aspects to communism that were just wacky. Funny video from a German musician who plays with Ostalgie (in a kind of self-aware, somewhat critical way) that shows something interesting at 2:36:https://youtu.be/h3huMxI1QyU>>25231321The thing people don't talk about enough was the rampant alcoholism. It was radically bad. It can sound like an exaggeration or hyperbole, but constant, endless drinking was the main thing that most males did outside of work. And it's more or less the thing that you actually see in the late Soviet movies and novels, everyone is just drunk. It started in the 1930s and escalated from there, with minor succession crises in politics because the guys who were supposed to be the replacements were constantly dying or losing their minds from alcoholism, starting from Zhdanov. Probably a contributing factor in Stalin's death. The 1990s were bad but really like an acceleration of a trend that was well underway before then, but fast forward to 2026 and most ex-socialist societies are healthier than they were back then. Just in general like in terms of people's attitudes towards themselves and other people. Less crime, addiction, general weirdness, etc.
>>25231743If you are killed and afterwards live is better for the survivors, that might give you food for thought.
>>25231779— Adolf Hitler
>>25231684On what basis does your life have more value than Solzhenitsyn's did? Answer quickly
>AbridgedYou didn't read the book.
>>25231339>When polled Russians who lived during the Soviet Union said life under Communism was better than what they have today.Wasn't it only like a quarter of them?Anyways life in the 20th century was better than life in the 21st, that is universal everywhere.Life in 20th century capitalist societies was much better than life in communist ones. Hence them turning their countries into open air prison camps so the people didn't flee.>But the most damning of all is WHO actually made those claims. Let’s take a look at history’s most famous anticommunists shall we?All this list shows is the extreme leftist bias of western thought, that they have turned someone like Pinochet, who killed maybe a couple thousand people, into one of the greatest monsters of the last century, while completely whitewashing communist leaders who were massively worse.
>>25231278People thought this movie was a satire. They hadn't read Solzhenitsyn.
>>25231278>Trump is... LE GOOD!
>>25231705>valuable informationTrivializing a simple and clear matter through shallow platitudes to dilute the blame does not constitute, in any way, shape or form, valuable information. On the contrary, actually.>>25231822Are you being ironic or just incredibly dense? The man pissed away his own worth and potential legacy, stripping himself of any knowledgeable, dissident anti-communist aura he might've had by playing the "it's everyone else who's wrong and russophobic" game and endorsing an alcoholic buffoon puppet and its siloviki NKVD master who views the fall of the USSR as a "genuine tragedy" and the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century" and simply can't go even one month without erecting a new statue to some communist leader, renaming something after them, painting them everywhere, even in church, holding communist youth camps like before, fellating the third world and pitting them against the West, so on.Do you have a dog in this fight because you're Russian and feel offended? Then good, 'cause you're worthless fucking cattle like you've always been and always will be. Ten years from now you too will play the "i-it was Putin's war, we didn't know any better, le fate, woe is us, pls stop bully" game again before flocking behind the next siloviki strong-daddy figure that will have you RETVRN to the glory days of large=great.
Communism has never worked so far because it hasn't been carried out under the authority of a divinely-sanctioned absolute monarch. Under monarchical absolutism all property is considered to be held primarily by the king and is only provisionally granted to his subjects under feudal tenure, therefore it is within the purview of the king to radically redistribute all property-holding. The king doesn't need to seize property when he already owns all of it. Monarcho-communism is the future, and is in fact the dialectically inevitable synthesis that orthodox Marxists don't want to acknowledge.
>>25232683>tivializing a simple and clear matter through shallow platitudes to dilute the blame does not constitute, in any way, shape or form, valuable informationThis is such a pseud take. The fact that Soviet Union banned the book, thew people in prison, and thew him in prison over his book is enough proof alone the book is valuable.The fact you are so obsessed with attacking it, on 4chan no less, and him, for completely refuting communism and Marxist system is revealing of its own too.You people are just not intelligent, and you make your own case against yourselves.
>>25232753>for completely refuting communism and Marxist systemYep Marx famously wrote that you should throw people in labour camps (in reality they were a continuation of the tsarist katorga system) and that you should shoot your fellow revolutionaries if they disagree with you like Stalin did
>>25232799Marx did actually endorse open terrorism through out his life, and glazed the terrorists of the Paris Commune that executed Christ priests. Its not hard to understand why Marxists carried out the same thing in the Soviet Union and every other communist country. You're delusional.
>>25231653Stalin prevented Jews from emigrating to Israel out of the USSR.
>>25233145Stalin called himself a Zionist, and the only result why Israel survived the 1948 war was because he ordered the Czech to send them weapons.The Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel as a state.
