Why doesn't west have a manga /novel industry like Japan has?
>>25232749Twitter has made me realize that 95% of the Japanese are fucking retarded
Decades of dogshit management at US comic companies for manga.As for novels, we do.
>>25232749Both you and the twitter guy are beyond retarded. The fucking Franco-Belgian comic industry is one of the largest alongside amerikan and the Japanese ones. Italy also had a strong one, at least in the 20th century, i'm unsure how they fare today.As for the novels, you know on which board you are, right?
>>25232752It's 95% bots
>>25232749I asked Grok and this is what he said:Otaku culture is Japan-centered because Japan was the only country in the 20th century to encourage pedophilia while every other country moved away from it. The primary consumers of otaku culture are pedophiles so they gravitate toward Japanese-produced media.Anime and manga are inherently pedophilic mediums. In the West, mediums like animated film and comic books moved toward a dichotomy of serious adult works vis a vis works for children. Neither one satisfied the pedophile's desires. Contrarily, anime and manga persisted in this uncanny manchild world with childish aesthetics seen through the eyes of a pedophile. Flat out, the authors of these works were pedophiles themselves. Only recently has Japan made CSAM illegal. Even with this permisiveness, several mangakas managed to run afoul of the law for how fragrantly they were purchasing CSAM. The list of known pedophiles is long: Kazuaki Kurita and Kenya Suzuki are two recent examples.Can we be sure that anime and manga are consumed primarily for their pedophilic valences? Yes. Artistically, Western art trounces their Japanese counterparts. The great Belgian bande dessinée artist Moebius has no Japanese parallel. Nor does any Japanese filmmaker rival Bakshi in his singular artistic vision. The decline in these Japanese mediums has only become more pronounced as their production becomes more sloppy, rushed and outsourced. This leaves pedophilic intent as the sole reason for anime and manga's proliferation as these supposed "animation buffs" continue to neglect art closer to home.
>>25232822Big as in what? That some bitchass nigs study it on some gay university?Manga outsells american comics, and no one has ever heard of no french shiet
>>25232822>The fucking Franco-Belgian comic industry is one of the largest alongside amerikan and the Japanese ones. Italy also had a strong one, at least in the 20th century, i'm unsure how they fare today.Most Franco-Belgian "comics" are in-fact graphic novels published in hardcover "albums" rather than weekly or monthly issues like manga and real comic books. There are Franco-Belgian comics that do follow the thinner comic book format but a lot of these are simultaneously published in English for the American/Global export market, they don't really represent the same tradition of stand-alone, serial graphic novels that has been the standard in Europe for decades. Needless to say, it's a very different industry to the traditional pulps and Japanese manga/LN presses. That same economy of scale doesn't exist outside of Japan. Unfortunately there was a lot of cultural cringe in the American publishing industry in the 1970s and 1980s that saw a divide between "real" publishing and the ghetto of genre-fiction so rather than keep our own publishing industries alive and keeping that economy of scale, the publishing industry dammed itself off and the pools slowly dried out with declining readership till now you only have a few survivors outside of mainstream "literary" fiction publishing like TOR and Mills and Boon.
>>25232749now ask him why 90% of movies watched in Japan are Hollywood movies with the same arrogance and stupidity and see what this guy has to reply
>>25232749The American comic industry doesn't allow for master artists.That said, it's also the diseased spirit of Americans in general.
>>25233249You start with Tintin in the Land of the Soviets and end with Tintin in Tibet.
What's the difference between a light novel and a... novel, or novella.
>>25232822>i'm unsure how they fare todayas far as I know the only comic artist of any relevance we have produced in the last 30 years is zerocalcare
>>25232749Gay boring thread, let's talk about European comic book industry instead. What are your favorite series? Your favorite stand alone books? Your favorite writers and illustrators?
>>25232749It’s a shame Japan’s actual literature and not the cartoons and picture books (mind you, I’m not averse to anime and manga) that they shit out are awful compared to what the west has to offer. Also, isn’t Japan like the most westernised country in the far east?
>>25232749Does he have no concept of weeaboos? Japan’s nationalism shining through here.
>>25233586Light novels usually have a few pictures, and they are targeted towards teens. It's essentially a shorthand for saying: "YA novella with pictures".
>>25233599>isn’t Japan like the most westernised country in the far eastThat would have to be south-korea, sir. They are christniggers out there, and their women are disgusting (á la american women; I don't hate women). I'm sure there's more but that's about constitutive.
>>25232749Western comics used to be a big industry but like >>25233249 pointed out in the pic, the west's comic industry is kinda like if shonen not only became the only genre of manga but also every manga for the last 50 or 60 years has just been retellings of the big three by new manga artists and writers, but with their own spins on the source material. Regardless of how clever these tellings can be, though, it's still just rehashing Bleach, Naruto, and One Piece over and over and over again. It was bound to become stale after a while.There seems to be a lot less willingness by western comics publishers to take a risk on new and original storytelling when they can rerelease Capeshit Man #1 - Origins - New Class - Next Gen - To The Future and make decent sales because of the few remaining hardcore fans who can't get enough Capeshit Man and will buy whatever slop you shovel in front of them.
>>25232749Moral Guardians and the CCA being faggots that prevented publishers like EC doing anything remotely ambitious played a part in it.
>>25233588How popular is the old stuff today? Things like Dylan Dog, Alan Ford, Tex, Zagor, Mister No etc. I'm from post-Yugoslav country, and that shit was extremely popular here. You can still see them sold on newsstands today, although the readership is sparse.
>>25232749We have comic industry which pushes tranny, dei and communist ideology now
>>25232966>Most Franco-Belgian "comics" are in-fact graphic novels published in hardcover "albums" rather than weekly or monthly issues like manga and real comic books.We're going to be old, grey, and dementia-ridden by the time Titan is done adapting Elric
>>25233757I think it's the same here, those were extremely popular with my parents' generation but not many people read them anymore.
>>25232749Anime, manga and light novels are appealing because they cater to the lowest denominator.
I think the typical manga artstyle is just more immediately appealing. Asians have historically been masters of stylization too.
>>25232910>no one has ever heard of no french shietEveryone in Europe including Britain grows up reading Asterix, Lucky Luke, Tintin to name just three.
So what's so special about Salammbo anyway?
>>25232749>create one popular genre amid the total dominance of Western cultural exports>half of it is inspired by Western motives>ummm how are we so amazing don't wyte peepo have culsha or something??
>>25232749bro should read about how monopolies work
>>25232749Why are the Japanese such fucking retards? They are completely clueless about everything outside their gay little island. They are like Jews, thinking they are the chosen people of God, and you see their true face the moment they step outside their radiation-blasted corner and start sperging out all over the place
>>25232749if the point of your question is about industry then I don't know, but if you're actually just looking for western comics/graphic novels that aren't superhero bullshit, check out the "alt comix" scene. It's all pretty DIY but there's a lot of stuff that's super well producedhttps://www.tumblr.com/altcomixthis is maybe a good way in
>>25233825maybe some boomers did, my boomer father read Bonelli comics, but my generation (millennials) grew up reading manga. I always read manga, the only euro comic I read is Radiant and it's a french manga
>>25232752They are either mentally children, autists or drones, and their combinations.
>>25233598>Your favorite stand alone books?Picrel is one of my favorite comics ever. Other Kerascoët stuff like Beautiful Darkness and Miss Don't Touch Me is great too.
>>25233931If I was Japanese looking at the state of the world today, I'd think I was of the chosen people, too.
>>25233931Have you *seen* the rest of the world?
/co/ is dead and raped, manga are still thriving especially with content appealing to straight males, every chapter of mato seihei no slave is the opposite of what modern /co/ would allow, only the most anti straight male media meant to soapbox is allowed in western comics
>>25234269>/co/...and nothing of value was lost
>>25234269>mato seihei no slave>femdom garbageeven in their fantasies modern males can't help but simp
>>25234305/co/ fags have daily meltdowns at shonenfags invading /co/ spamming there shonen manga (and if it's onepiece usually nami's tiddies), /co/ has become a fun place to troll>>25234307First of all the rewards aren't all femdom and they are very lewd anyway even if you don't like femdom, second of all maybe you would like nue's exorcist for something without the femdom but its a little more tame and it is shonen or maybe if you want something very lewd basically almost hentai but it's still ecchi. Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo is basically just a dude gets isekai'd, he buys some slave women and slowly collects them all to amass his own harem while fucking them a lot in very explicit detail beyond genitals being shown. It's chapters are slower to release but its a fun read if you like that stuff, there is plenty more but these are the ones I currently enjoy the most reading for ecchi.
>>25234307MahoSlave's "femdom" is fake-ass shit.
>>25232749>Jap doesn't know how many people are on Earth outside of his little island and ignores how easy it is to pirate everything because they are 200 years behind with tech
>>25232749>twittercap op>not /lit/GTFO
>>25234269>mato seihei no slave
>>25232749What the hell is managa anyway? Comic books drawn in an anime style?
>>25232749they havent had the karen takeover yet
>>25236023i think comic books drawn in japan regardless of the style
>>25232749Well, Koreans have some fun stuff.But we all know the reason American comics and YA are awful. Wokeness.
>>25236072American comics have been awful for far longer than wokeness has been a thing.
>>25232749OP, I suspect you just put “novel” in there so that this could pertain to /lit/, at least technically. But I’ll ask anyway, what do you mean by novel industry?
>>25236074American comics stopped being good in the 60s, they’re fun when they’re dumb stories about Batman making a new stupid concoction. I blame Alan Moore personally.
>>25232749Manga are comics made in Japan so any mango made outside of Japan is not manga.
>>25232749Essentially >>25232765 >>25233249 >>25233744 >>25233753>Golden Age: thriving comics industry with stuff like EC comics that was actually pretty decent>CCA came, gutted those genres. They continued but were so limited superheroes ended up dominatingI will add that by the time the CCA died out and non-superhero comics emerged with stuff like Alan Moore's work(From Hell), Maus, Garth Ennis(Preacher), the independent creator's boom(Image, Dark Horse) etc came in the industry already shifted from affordable 99 cents an issue to being collector's items selling at 9.99$ each issue, fans still buy that shit up because they think they might have the next Action Comics #1 to sell for a million dollars. It only got worse in the 2010s when it became a rule that every comic needs an adaptation, unlike Manga they aren't direct adaptaions. The concept of changing stuff for anime adaptations is that Goku might actually beat Jiren, Attack on Titan might remove scenes of Annie flirting with Eren. for the Spider-man adaptaion, none of the events of the comics occurs, Peter Park isn't a hot headed resentful nerd but a nice guy and basically a completely different character, the villains are also basically there in-name only). So comics are basically just IP farms for the next MCU or DC film now.
>>25234333All femdom is fake, and ass shit.
>>25232749Cultural biases. For Americans, cartoons and comics "are for children". It was like this since their inception in the US, and it's only changed in the last few decades, when the oldheads in the industry started to be replaced by people who grew up watching anime.
>>25236088>and it's only changed in the last few decadesIt hasn't changed anywhere.Cartoons are comics are still for children, just children that haven't grown up.
>>25236088You do realize the same applies to Japan, right? They also think that manga and anime are for children and that adults that consume them are considered weird social outcasts, right?
>>25232749>don't you all have fun content written in your local languages right there at home? NOPE! Feminists control all the media in my home country.
