Basically, its about having a logically consistent interpretation of reality (that is wrong) that the brain struggles to disprove: believing cameras are watching your every move and you are being monitored en-mass is logically consistent, albeit far fetched. And people who accidentally strumble into this wrong interpretation of reality struggle to remove it. I myself eventually did acts so stupid as a result of my schizophrenia that I realized my beliefs were wrong, and I have been fine ever since with minimal medication.
>>25236354Did you ever have moments of doubt during the psychosis? I suppose the difference is that for a schizophrenic person the delusional beliefs have the force of kind of irresistible beliefs like "the sun will rise in the morning" - am I right or wrong do you think
>>25236361I think there comes a point where schizophrenics want to start believing their delusions aren't real, but struggle to disprove their beliefs because they are logically consistent. Thats how it was for me.
>>25236379That makes sense and it sounds pretty hellish - I have OCD and I often perform rituals which I know have no basis in reality but which I do so out of the fear that "if they are true" then the results would be bad.In my interactions with schizophrenic people I've noticed that contradicting evidence does not "disprove" the delusion. But I suppose we can easily think of plausible-seeming explanations for why the contradiction is only apparent rather than real.
>>25236395 In my case I didn' share the full extent of my delusions with others because I believed they were out to get me, and would hide the truth even if I did open up.If the right person had said "I'm not out to get you, you can trust me", that would of gone a long ways. But no one ever did.
>>25236354It's a mental disorder
>>25236453Then why are schizophrenic beliefs so universal? Its an interpretation of reality; there are many interpretations of reality.
>>25236354No, schizophrenia is caused by auditory and visual hallucinations, emitted by a structure in the brain that lies dormant in most people. What youre describing more so fits schizoid or schizotypal. Schizophrenia is very much a physical brain illness.
>>25236466are they universal? because I've heard that what the "voices" people hear varies in broad strokes from culture to culture.
>>25236466>>25236499*what the voices say
>>25236453Its also a core of the brain needed to have high IQ humans, alongside the tendencies of Autism. Its like cats have visible more ADHD than we do, and natural selection has tamed many of the tendencies to allow us higher perception.
>>25236499>>25236469Not entirely universal, but certainly a lot of people experience cameras and others out to get them. Here is what happened to me: as I began having delusions and looking into wrong interpretations of reality, suddenly I began sinking deeper and deeper into a panorama of realities until my brain began deconstructing at the seams. I could barely sleep, suddenly sounds, numbers, shapes, had an overwhelming meaning that imposed theirself on me. Its possible that under those extreme circumstances one might start having visual or auditory hallucinations.I believe that there are a plethora of dangerous wrong interpretations of reality people can stumble into, which once one begins they cannot stop. That would explain why schizophrenia is so common, more than 1%.
>>25236522Yeah that's not schizophrenia.
>>25236354its demonic possession actually
>>25236453Captain obvious over here
>>25236522>Its possible that under those extreme circumstances one might start having visual or auditory hallucinations.No, it's not an 'extreme circumstances' thing, if you are not experiencing hallucinations then you don't have schizophrenia. >>25236552 is right. This also explains how you have been able to reason yourself out of your problem, as schizophrenics absolutely, positively *cannot* do that. t. one uncle is a paranoid schizophrenic and another uncle is a psychiatrist who treats him, so I hear a little about these things.
>>25236354are you sure you're not describing an episode that passed? what's stopping your brain from coming up with yet another illusion that you can't see through?
>>25236522The root cause is dopamine disregulation (or low IQ—contrary to pop belief, paranoia and such is almost a given for low IQs, it's like having 70 iq and being schizo are the same thing). It's fundamentally an inability of grasping probability, you are incapable of considering multiple hypotheticals and get stuck on the whatever possibility comes first. Add a tendency of anxiety and bam: paranoia.
>>25236354I believe schizophrenia is an atavism from before the mind developed rational/consciousness
>>25236354People poison their minds the same way they get food poisoning. One way or another, sooner or later, truth ends up prevailing over the most apparently logical error.
>>25237094"I don't understand this"/any new thing that's old = must be bad because otherwise I'd already know about it/some authority would tell me. Which actually describes most people, only less intense.Being Paranoid is a good thing if you're thrown in a new environment, but schizo seems to trigger this excess mistrust in familiar scenarios. A certain displacement of attitude towards things.P.s. Gödel wasn't a schizo, they probably were watching him.
>>25237095True >>25237094Schizophrenia is disproportionately common in low IQ people. Suggests paranoia is the natural framework of all wild animals. The world is post apocalyptic to them, or we would become like them. Can't trust any other animal.It's why multiculturalism destroys trust and raises paranoia. It's reasonable to be cautious towards anything new, resulting in a feedback loop of a series of bad impressions from mutual caution.Still heuristics are essential to function for everything, every sensation and word is a heuristic.
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>>25236354To REMAIN ON TOPIC: read jung catatonic praecoxis and NietzscheDon't know what this has to do with /lit/ but I feel similar. I'm bipolar 1 with psychotic features and had an 8 month long psychotic manic episode a few years ago. But unlike schizo, mine started as a feeling/mood that morphed into flawed logic to explain the delusions (no auditory hallucinations). It was tied to weed, but persisted during a few months in the middle without. When smoking (pen) I would get a near instant high that felt like a mass dropping into my stomach. The delusions would become much stronger. Paranoia typical of schizophrenia, persecution complexes. Believing I was being watched and everything about me was completely known by everyone around me. My loved ones knew of my strange porn viewing and inner most judgments of them etc and were treating me in a strange way (really because of my odd behavior). Everything seemed logical and I journaled extensively about how it all had to be true based on logic built on false premises. There was a logical consistency assuming the delusions were real. The most powerful part, which I only learned the term for much later, was "delusions of reference". Everything became a sign specifically for me. Every song for example, randomly shuffled or deliberately chosen by me or someone else, was related in some way to me or others with similar experiences to mine. There was always a strong doubt in the back of my mind that none of it was real, but the mood disorder caused such strong emotions they couldn't shake the feeling. A second psych ward visit, stopping weed, and heavy anti psychotics really snapped me back to reality quite quickly. For a brief period after weed would bring back the feelings but as soon as the high faded they would be gone. For a longer while after that I continued smoking daily but the anti psychotics and high tolerance killed any of that. Then I quit completely not just to avoid another manic episode but because I simply got bored of being high and felt like a loser. But to bring some empirical facts, strong bipolar and schizophrenia are heavily heavily influenced by genetics and many of the same genes. The genes take a certain event to trigger but once they are activated it shifts your mind permanently to the disorder. And it is a disorder. Unlike autism, which has been accepted as normal and containing benefits in a mixed bag, however true that is, bipolar and schizophrenia are only negative disorders. We aren't smarter or truth seekers thinking outside the box. For whatever creative thoughts happen there is a 100x more dysfunction amd instability. It's hard to admit you are simply worse off and do need medication but you need to accept reality. Every schizo and bipolar does benefit from at least some form of medication. I've gone down to simply an atypical, low side effect mood stabilizer. 41% of troons attempt suicide but 1 in 5 bipolar people successfully commit it
>>25236781Fond the actual schizo.
The weird thing is there’s no record of full bore paranoid schizophrenia before the air loom dude (circa 1800) and then his delusions were pretty much modern and completely recognizable. It’s bizarre.“For everyone who has since had messages beamed at them by the CIA, MI5, Masonic lodges or UFOs, via dental fillings, mysterious implants, TV sets or surveillance satellites, James Tilly Matthews is patient zero.”https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/illustrations-of-madness-james-tilly-matthews-and-the-air-loom/
