This guy was a fucking robot NPC>you vill be goyslave cannon fodder, and you vill be happy
>>25242316It's not his fault.Industrial warfare is just too devastating.His warrior ethos itself is quite noble and manly.
OP is a communist fag
>>25242328On the contrary - Jünger and the communists share the same mechanical, instrumental view of human beings. It's no wonder he was attracted to the Soviet Union. Have you ever read this guy's works? He literally wants you to be a worker slave drone willing to die at a moments notice for an authority which no longer has any metaphysical meaning or transcendental justification - just because... you should ok??
>>25242332The communists hated WWI
>>25242332>process philosophy is mechanical and instrumentalFucking reddit
Which of works do I need to read to "understand" him the way apparently everyone else does? I've only read Storm of Steel and it just seems like a war memoir to me. I'm not picking up x, y and z themes people yap about like him being a "fucking robot NPC" or that he "wants you to be a worker slave drone".>>25242341>The communists hated WWIwhich is kind of funny because without it the Bolshevik (and ergo every Communist) revolution wouldn't've happened, or at least been delayed by years.
>>25242356The Russian Revolution, which was different from the Bolshevik Revolution tha happened afterward, would not have stopped the war. But yes, after the Russian Revolution, Lenin grew panicked that France and England were working to set up a new government of Russia to continue to the war. This factor, that Russia would go back to the war, more than anything else, impelled the Bolshevik revolution
Junger thread? BasedAnyone wanna see my Sabaton shirt?
>>25242380A woman once bumped into me at the gym and after apologizing asked what I was listening to. I said sabaton. She didn't know who they were so I said war music. She said she loved war music and started singing modern major general
>>25242328Junger himself became a crypto-marxist who spread the GSPel to his rightoid unclings
>>25242394This is cap, he just didn't go along with Hitler's national suicide pact
>>25242356The Worker
>>25242341>>25242349Neither of you have read him, sad to say
>>25242324Jünger’s ideal subject is totally feminised, - that is to say, completely subservient, lacking curiosity or will, purposefully uneducated, more machine than man. This is exactly what the Greeks feared. It’s an oriental vision of human life.
>>25242421I meant Marxism is process philosophy, not Jünger. Jünger's philosophy is focused the sense of dissonance caused by capitalism's imperative to collectivize for the benefit of capitalists but to also atomize for the benefit of capitalists.
>>25242406This book is nigh difficult to find on epub or pdf even formatted correctly. And forget about kindle.
>>25242433This sounds like claptrap. Commie or retarded, call it.
>>25242453You haven't read Jünger, or you're ESL
>>25242316>the jews invented the warrior spirit to enslave the goyim>the jews want you to be violent and manlybased jews desu
>>25242510Jünger advocates dying for Israel
>>25242512>ww1 was meant for a leventine state that didn't exist until after ww2
Jünger late came to see the folly of being a mechanised bugman as can be seen in The Glass Bees, where humanist education is good and technology is bad
>>25242517It's the same shit, dog. Dying for bankers
>>25242522crypto commie babble
>>25242527Crypto hadn't even been invented yet dumb nigger
>>25242512I just checked who issued the Balfour Declaration and you‘re not gonna believe it
>>25242541Wait until you see where Hitler thought the Jews should be settled
>>25242469/lit/ has been overrun by /pol/ thugs for a long time now. It does remind me of Soviet censorship though, when a peasant turned overseer was in charge of censoring intellectuals. I'm not saying that's what these thugs are doing, just that all they have to do is pollute the board with irony and anti-intellectualism and they've won. They win by turning discourse into refuse. One might say that the Solar Anus and the black sun are very similar.
>>25242543The penguins of Madagascar are going to be so mad
>>25242555Jünger believed eveyone should be forbidden from learning how to read unless they had pure bloodlines or were priests or were live-in servants of the aristocracy. So this whole board would not exist, nor would most of the books we read. That's far more drastic than any communist censorship
>>25242469That's not really the point, though. Capitalism is just another boogeyman
>>25242568By boogeyman, you mean that it doesn't exist or shape policy?
>>25242558Or the martians or mars or wherever other random places Hitler entertained in his special imaginationland as opposed to actually contributed to
>>25242555>when a peasant turned overseer was in charge of censoring intellectualsWho's your daddy?
>>25242316Why are chuds like that?
>>25242570About as much you allow it to. I know average communists don't believe in human agency but next time don't make it so obvious, Son of Spinoza.
>>25242579I don't make the policies of capitalism and its wars.
>>25242575Getting them out of Germany so that it becomes a nice country even post-war? Hell yeah.
>>25242566I didn't realize he was that much of a meme.This might be a bit of a ramble, but I once listened to a YouTube compilation of quotes from Nietzsche and Evola mixed together, among the same topic of self-overcoming, and the former's were night and day better than the latter's. These people even suck at LARPing and that's most of their philosophy to begin with.
>>25242588The wars fucked up Germany. Getting Jews out to ethnically cleanse and displace Arabs because you don't want them any more, doesn't actually make the capitalists stop starting wars, especially Hitler loved and adored the Banker World Waf and accused Jews of promoting pacifism, then started another war to excite German capitalists at the cost of German workers. It is true he massacred Jewish capitalists and their money enriched gentile capitalists but it amounts to the same shit, and he also massacred Jewish proles besides
>>25242596Jünger's sudden and rampant promotion coincides with the BAP movement encouraging young white men to join the the American military.
>>25242598>The wars fucked up Germany. Did the best they could with the fact that England, France, and Russia insisted on encirclement and attempting to destroy their country regardless. >words words wordsI like having people who make ugly art and encourage weakness and abrahamic religion gone.
>>25242608Both sides were fighting for as long as possible because it piled up war debt and arms sales. Both sides were sending proles into the meat grinder to benefit capitalists who were comfortable with the art and tea away from the fighting. The war was a competition among capitalists paid in the blood of millions of prolesYou hate ugliness, yet those retarded wars inflicted enormous ugliness, they did more damage to European art, libraries and architecture than any event in history.
junger seems like shit
>>25242608>England, France, and Russia insisted on encirclement and attempting to destroy their country regardless.Nazis resort to patently false copes like this because their religion is unjustifiable without it - the whole war effort is a grotesque farce unless excuses like this are made. Just ignores the fact that in reality everyone was so ridiculously complaisant and unwilling to upset Germany that they conceded ridiculous amounts of territory to them and allowed them to violate laws and break promises over and over again. Refused to even militarise in anticipation of German aggression.>I like having people who make ugly art and encourage weakness and abrahamic religion gone.Even the antisemitism is superficial - ugly art. This is the first thing that springs to mind because it has been posted on /pol/ repeatedly. Anon has not even engaged with the anti-Semitic literature of the period. His Jew-hatred is mediocre...
>>25242632I was mostly thinking of WWI and the USSR but it remains funny that neolibs still call it appeasement that Hitler unwound some of their prior theft then embarked on war for their jewish masters when he took the port city that would impede their attempts to starve out the German population again. Oh, and sorry you hate beauty. I‘ve never been on /pol/ though.
>>25242647I am addicted to beauty, so much in fact that I am attracted to Nazism on its account. I am also unfortunately addicted to truth. Being a Nazi is moderately respectable as long as you don't have to engage in self-deception and playing victim to justify it, I think. It's an ideology of strength, so don't be weak.
>>25242647>beauty is when you bomb all the cultural centers of Europe into Gaza
>>25242662>self-deceptionOt is mostly to deceive others. It's the same thing muslims do
>>25242341Not all of them did. Didn't they create another International for that reason?Being a Marxist does not mean you have to be a pacifist. Only kumbaya leftists that larped as Marxists believed that. Marx wanted Germany to take over France because he wanted his version of socialism to take out Blanquism and Proudhonism.
>>252425554chan is an Epstein-class psyop to influence lonely impressionable losers into being good angry mindless drones to point in whatever direction their pedoverlords want them to be in
>>25242689>Lenin was a Kumbaya MarxistHoly shit you're an imbecile
>>25242691you have to go back
>>25242718He's right though, there are plenty of astroturfed political-intellectual movements on the Internet. And /lit/ was not in the least bit spared. Just because it's been going on for a long time now doesn't make it any less forced.
>>25242732Also, that pic is a bit outdated, it's missing Rene Girard, Curtis Yarvin and others.
>>25242740Nick Land was a big one
>>25242555>I'm not saying that's what these thugs are doing, just that all they have to do is pollute the board with irony and anti-intellectualism and they've wonSounds like your philosofaggotry had no value to begin with if it's reliably defeated by doing it wrong on purpose.
>>25242632>Even the antisemitism is superficial - ugly art. This is the first thing that springs to mind because it has been posted on /pol/ repeatedly.I believe /pol/ had more high IQ people posting sincere Nazi material on it circa 2014 than this board has had posting anything on it, ever.
>>25242760This. This so much.
>>25242760Well one board had nearly a billion dollars put into transforming it into a perpetual slide thread shithole and another board moves slower than a /v/ offshoot.
>>25242760I was on /pol/ in 2014, I don't remember it being very intelligent. It had already declined from its peak
>>25242746At least when it comes to Nick Land, the interest is understandable, especially when it comes to his early work. Old /lit/ was into him as well.>>25242752I wouldn't even say that it's doing it wrong, it's more like not doing it at all. It's like comparing talking and barking.
Le edgy deliberate misunderstanding, part 50+... Got famous for his WWI memoir as the youngest and last recipient of the Blue Max, served as an officer in WWII occupied Paris, spent the fifties dropping acid with Albert Hoffman, wrote over 50 books including novels, philosophy, and entomology. Was active as a writer for essentially the whole 20th century.But don't take my word for it, you can look up his wikipedia bio and online collections of quotes to decide if you want to read him“I consider it poor historical form to make fun of ancestral mistakes without respecting the eros that was linked to them. We are no less in bondage to the Zeitgeist; folly is handed down, we merely don a new cap.”
>>25242616Germany wanted the Marne counteroffensive to halt their advance, for the Ludendorff offensive to fail, and to get halted through the Caucasus is quite a theory. >>25242679You mean England? The Nazis were deliberate about vacating Paris and Rome ahead of time so that fighting wouldn‘t tear them apart.
>>25242316I agree with him that chuds are to be sent to the battlefield as cannon fodder and die for Woketopia tho.
>>25242760What you're observing is the standardization of the rightgolem propaganda pipelines. The early models were artisan products, methheads and other assorted degenerates who came from stormfront to /new/. They were occasionally entertaining and often had something interesting to say. Since then the pipeline has been standardized and monetized and now they all come out as more or less the same kind of damaged, neurotic imbecile like wonder bread.
>>25242877True but also true of everywhere and everything else
>>25242332The fact that youre willing to die for it provides the transcendental justification. It's like Junger said, if the first world war was really a meaningless goyim slaughterhouse where cynical old pedophiles sent idealistic young men to die by the millions, then we would have to invent some meaning post-hoc. That really gets to the core of the modern condition. We must imagine sysiphus happy and whatnot.
>>25242830>LOOK AT THIS SHINY METAL GOY! LOOK LOOK HE WAS HITLERS BESTEST WAGIE BUT THEN HE DROPPED ACID AND HECKIN REALIZED WHY NATO IS A NECESSARY COLUMN OF BASED WESTERN CIVILIZATION! LOOK AT HIS WIKIPEDIA GOYIM, EVERYBODY LOVES AND RESPECTS HIM
>>25242976Calm down and use your words.
>>25242555>One might say that the Solar Anus and the black sun are very similarExplain?
>>25243004tl;dr they're both about shitpostingPretentious answer: Bataille's surrealist concept of solar anus (likely inspired by the term solar annulus, an eclipse) is, among other things, about how the high and the low(ly) are interconnected. Hence why the figure of the Sun, deified by most cultures and making life on Earth possible, is also associated with the anus. The sun makes life possible, but it also decays it within the same movement, turns it to shit. Zizek might say that power always needs an underside, an obscene perversion in order to thrive and these days that's more obvious than ever, even in civilized society.Pic related is from Vonnegut. Still funny though.
>>25242423I don't think that the ancient Greek ideal was being a liberal who only cares about gratifying his desires, as you seem to be implying.
>>25242691Why are you using the epstein-funded propaganda machine again?Also, leftism is driven by nothing but fear, grievence, and resentment as well. The only people who aren't like this are certain religious orders.
>>25242732What causes such mindless delusion where you start deliberately thinking that not only Thiel is single-handedly orchestrating everything that you don't like, but alsp that this is somehow enough to dismiss what someone like Yarvin or BAP say out of hand? Really weird if you are the same person whinging about anti-intellectualism
>>25243063These kinds of assumptions are exactly what I mean.
>>25243138What assumptions? That Thiel is deliberately planning to maximize your impotent anger spikes?
>>25242796Nick Land was always crypto neoreactionary-techofeudalism adjacent>>25242831Germany isn't a being. Moneylenders and arms manufacturers and other suppliers to the military, whom the states are not but whom they functionally work for, want it to drag out. Just like individual sports teams want to clobber everyone but at the end of the day as an organization, "the show must go on" because that is where their money comes fromLower-level capitalists who profit by victory on this or that side will work for this or that side, this the phenomenon Lenin calles "imperialism". Imperialism is not the same as expansionism: expansionism seeks to expand an empire's borders, whereas imperialism is focused on expanding a state's *markets*. Victory in wars opens up more markets to the capitalists on the victorious sideThe Nazis stripped museums apart and left art in places like mines. Nazis had absolutely no concept of beauty or culture except in the most standardized, kitsch sense that didn't require any serious thinking or nuance. Everything else to them was purely a profit motive.
>>25242328t. jarhead
>>25243151Have you considered that Thiel is not a unique phenomenon but belongs to a certain class which is so in bed with the military and law enforcement that several were recently made automatic high-ranking officers *just* for belonging to that capitalist apparatus? This apparatus is the subject of the tech/nrx movement which hails it as our savior
>>25243050Read Louis Ferdinand Celine
>>25243151Stop trolling please.
>>25243158>Nick Land was always crypto neoreactionary-techofeudalism adjacentI didn't mean to imply otherwise, although some of the early stuff wasn't as blunt about it. I'm only saying that he's more interesting than others in that movement so it doesn't feel forced.
>>25243242He was but not proportion to how much he was shilled relative to other postmodernist philosophers
>>25242632>that they conceded ridiculous amounts of territory to themI'm not supporting what wound up happening, but this is a retarded thing to complain about. They took "ridiculous amounts" of territory from them at the end of the war, preach self-determination yadda yadda, then cry when they go "hey we want our former lands full of our people back". It's such a dumb fucking issue.
>>25242830>It was, like, a different time, man... the zeitgeist told us to do it... you just had to be there...Sounds like this Junger fellow is more a hippie than I thought.
>>25242586Yes but you do realize that the majority of socialists (not all mind you) blame external forces instead of taking responsibility right? Thats not to say certain vulnerable populations are in need of protection, but take the case of Ayn Rand who used social security. Its about self interest. Unlike some people who think she was a hypocrite for doing so. Self interest + responsibility go hand in hand and society doesn't have a monopoly on human potential.
>>25243345Responsibility for what? Wars? External to what?
>>25243050Where did I imply that? Nevertheless, they were ‘liberal’ in the sense they valued the freedom of the citizen (including his ability to have a meaningful say in the politics of the polis) and they did value ‘gratification of desire’ insofar as they valued the citizen’s ability to pursue eudaimonia - and they were not hostile to pleasure. They also valued discipline, obedience, continence, and so on, but as virtues, not as instruments to be used by the state without concern for the wellbeing of its citizenry. In Jünger the happiness of the citizen factors not at all.
>>25243248>They took "ridiculous amounts" of territory from them at the end of the war,The entirety of Czechoslovakia?
>>25242596Evola is not a serious philosopher, let's be honest here. His philosophy is just slightly-higher-than-the-average-IQ edgelord drivel. It's fun sometimes, but it's not actual serious philosophy.Nietzsche runs circles around him easily because, liking him or not, he is still a real self-respecting author.And BAP is even worse than Evola, because he is an even dumber take on Nietzsche for post-ironic zoomoids.
>>25243417like I said I'm not supporting what wound up happening but I was more talking about Alsace-Lorraine and Silesia/Polish Corridor and brought up self-determination because they created a new state with a sizeable German minority on the borders bordering two German majority states, it was a pretty fucking dumb move on the Entente part.
>>25243183Why?
Yoi read the worker and not anything else? This is more Niekish than Junger.
>>25243431>Nietzsche runs circles around him easily because, liking him or not, he is still a real self-respecting author.How so?
>>25243411That just makes Jünger more consistent that the incontinent greeks. It's no wonder that their philosophers criticized their society, which consisted almost only of Athens, Sparta being a dual monarchy. You are right though in that the athenian way of life, as described by Pericles, was a kind of ancient burgeois mindset down to their emphasis on private life and public respectability. However, Pericles' speech also includes fascistic self-abnegation in certain moments. It is still a culture defined by heroism. Citizens are expected to lay down their life for the city, sacrificing instabtly their private life in a military campaign. He makes it even a point that it is a strict meritocracy. Those who do not contribute to the state are maligned and left to fall between the cracks.
>>25243411>>25244718Also, keep in mind that philosophers tended to redefine true eudaimonia as being something uniquely spiritual/philosophical and characterized by anti-worldliness, self-abnegation.
>>25243168What phenomenon? Why are you so incredibly insane about Thiel?Also, you do not know anything about nrx. People like Altman and Thiel are crypto communists who want to maximize your pleasurable feelings in this world. Meanwhile, Yarvin is a literal neo-luddite but retarded leftist look at Nick Land and think that everything he says is what Yarvin thinks even though Yarvin is on record saying that he barely knows who Land even is and when Yarvin began writing again on substack, Nick Land expressed disappointment over realizing that Yarvin never actually thought that a pipe-dream like patchwork was ever going to work.
>>25244729Lol. Not only that, but Yarvin is also on record stating that he is never going to read Land. It's a really one-sided dynamic that they have going on.
>>25242341>The communists hated WWIRussia was being curbstomped. Anti war campaigning was popular amongst the bulk of the tired peasant-derived Russian military, so the Bolsheviks used it to their advantage. The Mensheviks supported the continuation of the war. As soon as the commies became more powerful under Stalin they tag-teamed with Hitler and went right back in to reclaim their imperial holdings. Please never post again.
Muh HitlerMuh CommunismMuh CapitalismMuh LeninMuh SabatonMuh GreeksMuh bankersMuh IsraelMuh NietzscheMuh EvolaMuh BAPMuh poo-pooMuh MarxMuh GirardMuh NATOMuh BatailleMuh EpsteinMuh ThielMuh CelineMuh Ayn RandMuh YarvinMuh LandMuh AltmanHow about reading Juenger?“All the systems which explain so precisely why the world is as it is and why it can never be otherwise, have always called forth in me the same kind of uneasiness one has when face to face with the regulations displayed under the glaring lights of a prison cell. Even if one had been born in prison and had never seen the stars or seas or woods, one would instinctively know of timeless freedom in unlimited space.My evil star, however, had fated me to be born in times when only the sharply demarcated and precisely calculable where in fashion.... "Of course, I am on the Right, on the Left, in the Centre; I descend from the monkey; I believe only what I see; the universe is going to explode at this or that speed" - we hear such remarks after the first words we exchange, from people whom we would not have expected to introduce themselves as idiots. If one is unfortunate enough to meet them again in five years, everything is different except their authoritative and mostly brutal assuredness. Now they wear a different badge in their buttonhole; and the universe now shrinks at such a speed that your hair stands on end.”
>>25246934 I made this thread being a fan of Jünger who read many of his books :)
