It's not looking good for any of them if mirrors are anything to go by.

>>25244447
There are more people with dwarfism than there are trannies. Dwarves have immediate medical needs and accomodationist needs that society cannot give a fuck about. The only social discussion about them has been the Dinklage controversy about casting dwarves.
The amount of oxygen the tranny "debate" has is fucking unbelievable. Even gays didn't take up this much space and they have yearly parades. I get why the trannies would care, maybe even their "allies" in legbeardery but why the fuck does it obsess the average retard so much?

>>25244503
>meltie
Lol, Trump won.

>>25244503
Because trannyism is a demand that I lie and affirm something that isn't true.

>>25244503
"Just shut up about it, it doesn't even matter" isn't a rebuttal. People care because they want to reorganize language and society to accommodate their delusion.

>>25245372
>why the fuck does it obsess the average retard so much?
What's funny is that trannies weren't really part of the public consciousness until 2016 or 2017 when North Carolina passed HB2. That was an anti-tranny bill, but because nobody thought about trannies, it was seen as an anti-gay bill. Newfags won't believe me but until Trump/the American right got upset, nobody gave a shit about trannies.

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>>25244503
Follow the money, childless social runoff have been deputized by segments of the ruling class to gut the public school system by whining primarily about trannies. Groups like Moms for Liberty have cost taxpayers billions of dollars doing this. There's a multi-billion dollar media industry for anti-tranny activism. There's a right wing music industry where face-tatted wiggers loudly pronounce their resentment of trannies (picrel), dedicating entire songs to trannies.
It's unpopular to acknowledge here but most social visibility of trannies is due to well-funded culture war activism against them which results in the other side of the culture war exacerbating their visibility.

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>>25244491
Looking up that chick whose name appears on the front of the book, and she's probably mad because she looks trans lol

>In March 2017, Murray published an article in The Sunday Times headlined "Be trans, be proud – but don't call yourself a 'real woman'."

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>>25245402
Do you think maybe there's a reason for that, poindexter? Do you think the dwindling social stigma let a lot of AGPs suddenly feel comfortable to force their dicks where they don't belong? Is your brain capable of firing off some synapses?
Good luck with your AGP, Alice

>>25245487
AGPs always say shit like this. She just looks like an old lady.

>>25245583
I'm not even a tranny, it's just a fact that nobody cared about trannies until inbred hicks in the southern US told them they needed to get mad about them. You're probably not old enough to remember what I'm talking about

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>>25244447
The Idendity trap is a similar book. Its pretty good

>>25245487
>>25245586
Yeah she doesn't look trans at all, just a terminal old Bri'ish woman. One of my mom's friends looks just like her minus 50 pounds

>>25245596
>until inbred hicks in the southern US told them they needed to get mad about them.
yeah, and when those inbred hicks didn't want mentally ill men in women's bathrooms, what did people do? They fought for mentally ill men to be in women's bathrooms.

The funniest part of the whole trans thing is that the "Smash the patriarchy"/anti-white bullshit crowd just conveniently ignore that most of the trannies are mentally ill white men trying to force themselves into women's spaces.

>>25245487
She was feminist cunt who presented a feminazi propaganda show on BBC radio for decades.
I also despise trannies howsoeverbeit. Fucking degenerate pederasts.

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>>25245402
>IT WAS RIGHTWING OBSESSION THAT FORCED TRANNIES INTO PUBLIC DISCOURSE--IT WAS NEVER A BIG DEAL FOR US!
With you retards if it isn't projection and cognitive dissonance it's gaslighting.

>>25244503
>the Dinklage controversy about casting dwarves
My record for casting a dwarf is 18 feet. I won a keg of beer that night.

>>25245596
Daily reminder that troons gaslight all day long.
Dilate, faggot.

>>25245720
What I'm saying is that it didn't even occur to the inbred hicks to oppose trannies in bathrooms until after 2016. Like it or not, the tranny hate of today was essentially invented by the GOP about a decade ago because they needed some way to whip their voting base after losing on gay marriage in 2015
>>25245751
It was rightwing obsession, though. That tranny in the picture was fired for stealing luggage off airport carousels (lol) in 2022. Wasn't even a government employee until two years into the Biden administration
>>25245760
Again, when HB2 (first anti-tranny bill) was passed in NC, trannies were so invisible to the average American that gay rights orgs called it an anti-gay bill, not an anti-tranny bill, simply because the vast majority of people barely knew what trannies were. You're probably too young to remember this, but I do

>>25245823
>It was rightwing obsession, though
However they're not exactly wrong

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>>25245823
>inbred hicks

>>25245823
>inbred hicks
AKA Energy oligarchs and the dark money finance/real estate elites implicated in the Epstein files, the only reason there's a coordinated right wing outrage leviathan in the first place.

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>>25245823
>It was rightwing obsession
That's projection and cognitive dissonance. It wasn't rightwingers writing magazines like pic-related and it wasn't rightwingers inviting gender-queer sex performers to hang out with toddlers at public libraries.
>tranny in the picture was fired for stealing luggage
Yes, because you retards were pretending that being a trannie wasn't an indicator of underlying mental instability, retard.
>Wasn't even a government employee until two years into the Biden administration
Who cares? Was he forced on the Biden administration by rightwingers? No. Fuck off with your retarded gaslighting. Even if I grant you that HB2 was the spark it was you faggots who set up powder kegs all over the place.

>>25244503
Trans ideology all traces back to the debate of realism vs nominalism which is foundational for discussing philosophy.

>>25244447
>when ideology meets reality
what a tagline

>>25244503
Because they are/were politically useful.

Because men don't claim to be dwarves after a life of reclusive nerdy hobbies like anime, video games, programming, and porn. Because women don't claim to be dwarves after they become turbo manhaters, or are repulsed by perceived social expectations of women.

Because pre-civilization humans were simple beings that didn't have any practical need to ponder their place in the world as a man of woman, let alone feel they got misconfigured.

Because it insulated modern "feminists" from the implications of gender differences, making it easier to explain shortcomings of emotional control and accountability as a reaction to misogyny, and not a problem from within.

Because although trans individuals can be alright people, it is extremely cruel and irresponsible to convince impressional young persons to strap themselves with an unsolvable imaginary problem that will haunt them every day of their life, for someone else's culture war.

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>>25244503

>>25244503
Transpeople denigrate their bodies voluntarily and with an enthusiasm intended to facilitate further adoption of such practices among their peers. Dwarfs are impeded by biological means. While some claim otherwise, gay behaviors are considered natural in certain contexts. The ability to denigrate your body must ultimately be permitted by the society in which you live for it is an action to be taken, and laws govern action; constant lobbying for such capability must be taken, especially in niche situations such as these where the capability is not majorly desired.

>>25245823
>What I'm saying is that it didn't even occur to the inbred hicks to oppose trannies in bathrooms until after 2016.
This not a common or well-known phenomenon until around that time. You're basically saying "such and such people didn't oppose X until they knew about it." Do you think they would have been fine with it before? Lol.

>>25245411
Media ownership wants the plebs punching down on an irrelevant minority of other plebs instead of asking why food prices doubled in a few years, or what the plan is when every avenue to escape the soon-to-be permanent underclass gets closed off. Since victimizing women is an easy way to generate a moral panic, MTF get almost all of the coverage (as dangerous sex predators) while FTM are exclusively cast as poor girls tricked into mutilating their bodies - despite the populations being about the same size.

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>>25245610
Thanks. I'll check it out (from the library). Material Girls is even better than Trans if you want to read a sane feminist take.

>>25245487
just a fat old slag, been looking like this for a few thousand years. trans isnt real btw, not even a legitimate comparison point

>>25244503
Trans people became an issue as the internet influenced real life. Trans people are hyper online and often moderators of virtually any big subreddit, discord, wikipedia etc. The online era unexpectedly gave them significant leverage over conversation and in the 2010s they drove it in favor of their radical acceptance.

>>25245843
>nat geo cover
How does this help your case? The nat geo cover is from 2017, a year after HB2. You guys keep on posting images like "oh yeah what about PICREL" and the image postdates HB2 lol. Trannies existed prior to 2016, but they weren't a topic of national conversation
>one luggage stealing tranny = all trannies have an underlying mental instability
You're smart enough to understand why this is retarded, so I won't explain it to you
>who cares if luggage stealing tranny was under biden
The person I was replying to was trying to imply that the luggage-stealing tranny caused trannies being a hot-button topic, which isn't the case at all. The luggage-stealing tranny happened after HB2. That's the point I'm making
>>25245838
Much truth to this
>>25245886
>you're basically saying such and such people didn't oppose X until they knew about it
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying, and that they learned about it because the American right needed red meat to throw to the base so they would get out and vote right-wing. Anger and fear are the two most powerful motivators. Both parties do this, the right did it with trannies
>Do you think they would have been fine with it before?
Maybe, maybe not. Considering that there was no large-scale mass anti-tranny movement in American society prior to HB2 / that trannies weren't central to the US right wing's public-facing cultural platform, my guess is that most of them didn't think about trannies at all, negatively or positively, which is (for the hundredth time) the point I'm making. Lots of people in this thread want to pretend that there was always mass sentiment against trannies in the United States, or that anti-tranny sentiment organically rose from the masses, neither of which are true

>>25246114
>Maybe, maybe not. Considering that there was no large-scale mass anti-tranny movement in American society prior to HB2 / that trannies weren't central to the US right wing's public-facing cultural platform, my guess is that most of them didn't think about trannies at all, negatively or positively, which is (for the hundredth time) the point I'm making.
I agree but might push the 'awareness' timeline back a little to the Caitlyn Jenner vanity fair cover in 2015 (?). While that was in public consciousness I remember it just being vaguely confusing, and people not really caring after the next news cycle.

>>25246114
>How does this help your case?
I reject your assertion that HB2 is responsible for the rise of gender ideology and, thereby, my case doesn't adhere to your retarded superficial nonsense. It's obvious that leftwing rainbow coalition bullshit is more of a primary factor and it can be argued such precipitated reactions from the right. On top of that, it wasn't conservatives publishing magazines like I posted and having gender queer creeps hanging out with children at public libraries. I haven't read all of you post yet but I'm guessing you're just going to totally ignore the context I gave in order to beg the question of unjustified parameters you're forcing.
>You're smart enough to understand why this is retarded
Yep, you ignored it.
>The person I was replying to was trying to imply that the luggage-stealing tranny caused trannies being a hot-button topic,
I'm not scrolling up and as far as forcing it into the public sphere he's right.

The politic left is the primary force behind identity/grievance politics being used to frame absolutely every issue and trannie bullshit is part of it.

>>25245402
it was a 2014 tumblrism that got into public school mental health volunteers train of thought. from there it spread to academia as the retards went through the system.

>>25244503
because it's blatantly and obviously insane, yet at the same time wildly accepted in western society as normal. This in turn causes people who recognize that this is stupid to go insane themselves as they are incapable of dealing with how irrational the majority of people are, which just spirals out of control as you can guess.

>25245586
>25245616
>25246021
>xhe looks like a normal wombyn, chud
>looks exactly like an elderly version of the tranny in the pic immediately below
can troon bashers ever admit that some wombyn are ugly or must they sublimate their AGP to foid worship?

FTMs were so rare they basically didn’t exist until that one movie came out

>>25245823
>What I'm saying is that it didn't even occur to the inbred hicks to oppose trannies in bathrooms until after 2016.
because it really wasn't an issue before then because people weren't making trannies using women's bathrooms a "human rights" issue before then you fucking disingenuous retarded faggot. No sane person agreed with it before the whole trans shit got astroturfed all over the fucking place with the ubiquity of the internet/social media. You are completely dishonest and lying to yourself and the world you spineless, cowardly worm.

>>25246091
>>25246603
like these guys said.

I think we should send trannies to mental institutions that utilizes shock therapy.

>>25246676
which movie?

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>>25244559
>>25245402
It's like with COVID, where Trump was pushing the VAX but he was out of tune with the wave of hysteria against the VAX coming from his side of the political spectrum, same thing with the trannies, Trump himself is pretty moderate to liberal on them, because a lot of his biggest turnovers are big LBGT supporters like Paul Singer, who benefited greatly from the invasion of Venezuela
>>Singer led a group of major Republican donors to form the American Opportunity Alliance, a group that brings together wealthy Republican donors who share Singer's support for LGBTQ rights, immigration reform and Israel.
>Singer, whose son Andrew married his husband Corey
>Singer, Tim Gill, and Daniel Loeb helped fund Freedom For All Americans to promote LGBT issues in states and local communities in the United States

>>25246726
>biggest turnovers
Biggest donors

>came into the thread waiting for a decent rebuttal to the garbage in op
>none
>leave clearly shit baiting thread

>>25244447
Helen is a TERF bitch

>>25244503
The bourgeoisie is a tiny minority. Why the fuck does it obsess the average retard so much?

>>25244447
read whipping girl next

>>25245838
What about the terf outrage against trannies? There is no terf in the Epstein files.
>muh Rowling
She became a terf after Epstein's suicide/murder

>>25246729
>>25246726
>are big LBGT supporters like Paul Singer, who benefited greatly from the invasion of Venezuela
are jews

>>25246751
>none
>leave
why dont you post some then?

>NSTRA RAN SNART AN ANSTR
What did she mean by this?

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>>25244503
This is an extremely dubious apples to oranges comparison. The most contentious issues have always been surrounding gender-affirming health care, such as "puberty blockers" (read: chemical castration) and mutilating surgeries and whether or not the child (and their parents) are even capable of understanding any future consequences that will result. There was a lot of deliberately misleading bullshit peddled until recently, like the lie that puberty can be "paused" without any change in development.

>>25245411
>Follow the money
LOL, yeah like the industry that seeks to create a permanent class of people who will rely on them totally for gender affirming therapies, surgeries and medications for the rest of their lives (and who are currently lobbying for the taxpayer to fund it all). Pic rel is from one of Epstein's associates btw

>>25245596
I'm in my 40s and no one would have fought for men to be on women's sports teams or for doctors to block children's puberty until people were told it was the righteous, blue-coded, anti Trump thing to do. Guess it works both ways.

>>25246777
And we love her for it.

>>25246777
youre saying that like its a bad thing

>>25247223
They want artificial wombs.
Think about what an epstein socialite would do with artificial wombs.

They're publishing papers that don't even hide these discussions.

>>25244503
libtards aren't trying to brainwash children into being dwarves

>>25247223
I'm just not buying there's more dwarves than trannies. Maybe it's because I live in east coast city where they cluster, but I see trannies every time I leave my house, usually the disgusting bug-eyed FtM types or that nonbinary subtype where you can't tell which direction they're traveling, only that they're trans. The anime AGPs don't leave their houses as much i guess, but I see them on occasion too.
Revolting, and the worst fashion sense the world has ever seen.
Can't remember the last time I saw a dwarf.
OP needs to update zir stats and make sure ze includes every subspecies this shit has wrought.

>>25247260
>>25247302
Only the TE part is good.

>>25246197
>push the timeline... back to Jenner vanity fair cover in '15
Yeah, that's fair. There was some other celebrity who went from woman to man and then got pregnant a little before Jenner, but blanking on the name. Agreed that it was mostly seen as confusing. There wasn't really a public outcry against Jenner from what I remember, people were more just confused
>>25246598
>it wasn't conservatives publishing magazines like I posted
The nat geo cover you posted came AFTER the conservative chimpout around HB2, and HB2 happened because conservatives lost on gay marriage but needed something to keep the base angry and afraid. The magazine cover came as a result of the conservative-originated chimpout, not the other way around
>leftwing rainbow coalition bs is more of a primary factor, which precipitated reactions from the right
This just doesn't make sense, simply because there's a very clear before/after dividing line re "are trannies a hot-button public issue," and that dividing line is the passage of HB2 in NC in '16. Basically nobody in the country cared before hicks in NC realized they needed some way to win the next election
>you ignored my retarded comparison where one luggage stealing tranny is proof that all trannies are mentally unstable
Guess I have to explain it to you. Klebold shot up a school. Klebold was a white guy. Therefore all white men are mentally unstable. Now do you see why this is retarded?
>as far as forcing it into the public sphere he's right
Biden hired the luggage-stealing tranny in large part because he was a tranny, true. But why did he feel the need to hire him because of his trannyness? Because the right wing had been going after trannies in the public sphere for 6 years at that point, and Biden wanted to signal that he was on the side of trannies. This isn't difficult to understand
>>25246603
Trannies were around before 2014, this doesn't make any sense
>>25246690
>it really wasn't an issue before then because people weren't making trannies using women's bathrooms a "human rights" issue before then
And why wasn't it a "human rights" issue before 2016? It wasn't because there was no broad public anti-tranny movement before 2016. You're repeating the point I'm making but for some reason you think that it means you're correct
>No sane person agreed with it before the whole trans shit got astroturfed... with the ubiquity of the internet/social media
No average person thought about it at all before 2016. Trans shit got big on the internet/social media as a result of HB2 in 2016. You've got the causation backwards
>and also you're a faggot and also you're retarded and also you're disingenuous and also you're dishonest and also you're lying and also you're spineless and also you're cowardly and
Ok. You people get so upset when you talk about trannies for some reason
>>25246726
This is correct
>>25247257
This is also correct, the pro-tranny activism of today is a reaction to post-2016 tranny hate

>>25247360
Hence why I said dubious, but I can't be fucked fact checking if there are more midges than troons

>>25247374
>The nat geo cover you posted came AFTER the conservative chimpout around HB
Again: I don't care. I didn't post it as a counterargument to your HB2 bullshit, retard. The point is that the left was hyping up gender ideology as exemplified by numerous magazine covers and shit like Drag Queen Story Hour.
>conservatives lost on gay marriage
Conservatives won on gay marriage, in California of all places, but the Democrat appointed Supreme Court of California ruled against the prior ban. If you want to chalk everything up to a government organ that one makes a lot more sense than HB2!
>This just doesn't make sense
It makes perfect sense, retard. Identitarianism saw a huge uptick with the Obama administration and leftwing groups organized around the same principles as prior rainbow coalition bullshit picked up immense steam (the MSM even started calling groups on the left "Obama's rainbow coalition"). This identitarianism directly led to groups, such as fags, getting a much higher degree of attention than their actual numbers justified. Eventually, the tail started wagging the dog and Democrats became locked into the wrong side of 80/20 issues. Furthermore, smug midwits like you alienated working-class voters condescending that anyone disagreeing with your smug dictates is "voting against their own interests" and labeling them as "inbred hicks".
>Guess I have to explain it to you.
I guess I have to explain it to you, idiot: gender dysphoria is a mental illness that is frequently rooted in sexual perversion and gender ideology is just that--an ideology. When you subscribe to symbolic DEI nonsense over merit while disregarding realities like that just mentioned you end up putting unstable people in positions of power.
>But why did he feel the need to hire him because of his trannyness? Because the right wing had been going after trannies in the public sphere
Once again, you entirely ignored the context I gave regarding who was actually promoting gender ideology nonsense in order the beg the question of the undue parameters you've set.

You're an idiot. It really is just a mix of projection, cognitive dissonance, and gaslighting with you retards.

If humans can’t even handle trannies then people are gonna go absolutely ape when full transhumanism hits society in the next 50 years.

>>25247486
>The point is that the left was hyping up gender ideology as exemplified by numerous magazine covers and shit like Drag Queen Story Hour.
I'll repeat myself
>The magazine cover[s] came as a result of the conservative-originated chimpout, not the other way around
You keep saying that the causation goes "left hypes up trannies > we get shit like magazine covers > public outcry > here we are," I'm saying that the causation goes "right loses on gay marriage > chimps out over trannies to keep the base upset so they'll vote > trannies become a public issue > magazine covers." The left hyped up gender ideology because the right started attacking trannies, and the right started attacking trannies because they knew they'd lost on gays. The first ever drag queen story hour happened in Dec '15 in San Fran, and was seen as a local San Fran gay curiosity. It wasn't elevated into a national movement/happening/thing until HB2 when it became a form of protest. Please don't try and claim that HB2 was a response to Drag Queen Story Hour, there weren't any drag queen story hours in NC at all until '19 afaik
>Conservatives won on gay marriage, in California of all places, but the Democrat appointed Supreme Court of California ruled against the prior ban
Yes, in 2008. This came after a bunch of southern states passed anti-gay marriage laws between 2003-2008, mostly as a response to the '03 MA Goodridge case + '04 election cycle. Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015 was the moment the right lost the gay marriage debate and realized they needed something else for the next election cycle
>Obama's rainbow coalition started all this
They didn't start the contemporary anti-tranny movement, though. That was started by conservative hicks in NC who needed to win an election
>voting against their own interests
Sorry, but it's true
>inbred hicks
Sorry, also true. The conservative voting base (at least around the time of HB2, post-Trump it changed) in the South was largely uneducated, incurious, inbred hicks. I'm not saying that's you, but I am saying that's who made up most of the US conservative base
>When you subscribe to symbolic DEI nonsense over merit while disregarding realities like that just mentioned you end up putting unstable people in positions of power
There's something to be said about putting DEI over merit (just as there's something to be said about putting political fealty over merit, or any kind of ideological adherence over merit, etc) but your original claim was "this luggage-stealing tranny (lol) is proof that all trannies are mentally unstable!" which is transparently retarded
>you entirely ignored the context I gave regarding who was actually promoting gender ideology nonsense
No, you were wrong and I corrected you
>you're projecting and shit! and you're cognitively dissonant and shit! and you're gaslighting and shit! and you're retarded and shit! and
Okay?

>>25247509
A lot of it is a cultural shift in how science is viewed, the American public in the 50s viewed Christine Jorgensen as a scientific curiosity. People are more skeptical of technology and transhumanism now, but aren't really going to have a choice besides seething when billionaires modify themselves to have perfect genetics and live to 150.

>>25247543
Whatever the causation was I think there were people on both sides of the debate at the time that took any negative attention as validation they were fighting for justice, regardless of how it would affect the claimed victims. That positive feedback loop + political lobbying machine made it such a big issue, ironically big enough where actually trannies had little voice in it. I don't think drag story hour helped them in any way.

>>25244447
>is there a decent rebuttal to this?
Yeah, a bonfire.

>>25246751
A feminist unironically using the subtitle "When Ideology Meets Reality" is all the refutation you need.

>>25247695
You're right anybody who claims their interpretation or understanding is more "reality" than anybody elses hasnt read enough philosophy to be making such claims.

>>25244503
>There are more people with dwarfism than there are trannies
my job has two trans chicks, and at least one transman, but no ppl with dwarfism?

>>25247706
Because a dwarf will not destroy your office, that's why.

>>25247375
I was agreeing with you and adding onto your post against the more-dwarves-than-trannies, chimp.

>>25247709
Yeah, right. I'm against trans people getting access to whatever prison or locker room they want (changed my mind on this when i got hit with the reality check), but ostensibly think they shouldn't be discriminated against for employment.
But every trans person i've worked with is a complete disaster.
So maybe I should change my mind on employment too.

>>25247706
Would any of co-workers happen to wear a trenchcoat at all times, and occasionally sneeze or cough without changing their expression?

>>25244503
I like this argument. What are some of the medical needs they have?

>>25247718
there's one oddly hairy short guy who who wears high heeled boots under some weird bell bottoms. i think that dude is prob trans too cuz when one of our coworkers left to take a job at a really good company he was seething like "what did she do to deserve that!" in this catty way, like idk, she finished a masters in one year including publishing industry relevant research? ur career stalled out now that ur just some white dude? boohoo bro.

>>25247724
woah i just noticed my hella woke ass workplace put all the post pandemic hand sanitizer dispensers way too high for a dwarf or even someone in a wheel chair. these are people who will have a big zoom meeting to congratulate themselves on inclusiveness too.

>>25246777
YWNBAW

>>25247509
Full transhumanism is never going to happen, anon. Sorry

>>25247374
you're ignoring that the late 10's tranny backlash is a direct response to all of the social justice stuff being thrown in people's faces in the early 10's.
I swear everything was normal, and then suddenly people were showing up from god knows where, telling us you can choose your own pronouns, and it was wrong to enforce gender on a baby. It was bizarre.
This happened after OWS, incidentally.

>>25247509
Meh. "Muh transhumanism" is just the next level in human narcissism.

>>25248007
leftists with these wild ows conspiracies theories lmao

>>25248033
You don't think it's likely that a lot of this social justice shit was basically dropped at our feet around 2012-2013, specifically to get the heat off the 1%?
That makes perfect sense to me. Where the fuck did it all come from, otherwise?

>>25247543
>I'll repeat myself
That's all you've been doing because you can't respond to counterarguments that disprove your nonsense.
>left hypes up trannies > we get shit like magazine covers > public outcry > here we are
No, retard. I argued identitarianism and grievance politics became the basis for the Democrat platform under Obama. I brought up the history of so-called "rainbow coalitions" (a euphemism for groups coming into confederacy around identitarianism and grievance politics) and pointed out the terms repeated use by the MSM in relation to Obama's electoral base. I then pointed out how the above inevitably leads to small factions having a disproportionately loud voice, how such leads to the tail wagging the dog, and set it as an explanation as to why Democrats now consistently find themselves on the wrong side of 80/20 issues. This explanation goes back to 2008 and centers the Democrat platform thereby contradicting your claim that Republicans are responsible for the prominence of trannies and demonstrating the idea that HB2 in 2016 is responsible as laughably shallow history.
>they knew they'd lost on gays.
Again, the Conservatives won on gay marriage at the ballot box in California of all places (Prop 8, 2008). The Supreme Court of California ruled a law based on a previous referendum against gay marriage unconstitutional in a 4-3 decision.
>The first ever drag queen story hour happened in Dec '15
Which happened before HB2, retard. This demonstrates that such was already in the public consciousness and the fact the Democrats were well on their way manufacturing a coalition based on identitarianism and grievance politics is evident. However, with Obama no longer being POTUS and thereby no longer being able to serve as a symbolic rallying point the "rainbow coalition" became more and more unwieldy due to fringe elements centering themselves in political discourse via what is now colloquially refered to as victimhood Olympics.
>Sorry, but it's true
Lol, no retard. However, I hesitate to correct you because that arrogance is why you retards lost the working class. You think you know the priorities of others better than they themselves and can dictate from on high what everyone else's values should be. As if this arrogance wasn't bad enough you've lost the ability to differentiate the working class from the underclass and are reduced to crying out "YOU'RE VOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN INTERESTS" like a spoiled child who isn't getting his way.
>Sorry, also true
Yes, it's entirely true that you betray a bigotry toward rural voters and think you're above them. This betrays a poverty of empathy on your part, despite claiming you're selflessly motivated, and people outside of your cult see through it.

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>>25247543
>>25248150
>your original claim was "this luggage-stealing tranny (lol) is proof that all trannies are mentally unstable!"
No, that's how you strawmaned it so I decided to elaborate (and you've now backed down).
>you were wrong and I corrected you
You completely ignored the argument and have done so again.
>you're projecting and shit! and you're cognitively dissonant and shit! and you're gaslighting and shit! and you're retarded and shit!
I've demonstrates such by rational argument and the fact you're reduced to begging the question while remaining filtered by context underscores this.

/end

>>25248150
>you can't respond to counterarguments
You haven't given any that weren't immediately knocked down
>obama's rainbow coalition led to mass anti tranny movement of today
HB2 is a very, very clear dividing line in terms of public prominence before/after. I get what you're saying with the increasing cultural liberalism of the Democratic Party, but like it or not, there was a clear before and after with HB2, and HB2 wasn't a natural result of Dems embracing trannies, but a result of the Republicans needing another red meat cultural issue to get their base fired up. Before trannies, it was gays. I've already explained the mechanism
>this goes back to 2008... 2016 is laughably shallow history
Did you not read where I explained the mechanism? If anti-tranny stuff has any clear forerunner, it's the '03 MA Goodridge case. Obama was a glimmer in Chicago's eye. First time gay marriage became legal. This begun the modern anti-gay movement (LGBTQIA+ or however many fucking letters there are, point is the broad anti-gay movement) in the United States. Republicans fought this battle until '15, when they lost at the Supreme Court, so they picked a new letter to go after. Exigencies of the election cycle, if you want
>Drag story hour happened before HB2
You missed the point I'm making; HB2 was in March of '16, and the circumstances of the bill itself had nothing to do with Drag Queen Story Hour. They happened 3-4 months apart, and there wouldn't be a Drag Queen Story Hour in NC for another 3 years. Drag Queen Story Hour became a tranny rights flashpoint AFTER the fight over HB2 blew the issue up into the public sphere
>you lost the working class! you think you know the priorities of others better... dictate from on high... working class from the underclass... you're a spoiled child
I'm not the Democratic Party? Also, yes, the majority of people are stupid, panicky animals. This shouldn't be news to you. I don't know why you're suddenly talking about class
>you think you're better than rural voters
Yes?
>you're unempathetic and a hypocrite and you're in a cult and
Where is this going, anon
>you've done a heckin strawman
We can both scroll up, this isn't true. You misunderstood what I was criticizing lmao
>I've demonstrates such by rational argument and the fact you're reduced to begging the question while remaining filtered by context underscores this.
>/end
This probably sounded extremely epic mic drop in your head, but it just feels bad to read

>>25248183
>You haven't given any that weren't immediately knocked down
You haven't knocked a single argument down. First you ignored and then your strawmanned. When your strawman was pointed out you simply dropped the issue by handwaving before going back to begging the question and failing to acknowledge the context with which you were provided.
>HB2 is a very, very clear dividing line in terms of public prominence before/after
It's a superficial demarcation point as per the arguments I've given to which you've continuously failed to respond.
>I get what you're saying with the increasing cultural liberalism of the Democratic Party, but like it or not, there was a clear before and after with HB2, and HB2 wasn't a natural result of Dems embracing trannies, but a result of the Republicans needing another red meat cultural issue to get their base fired up.
See? You don't actually contend with the arguments given and merely beg the question of your conclusion. You don't even expand your argument based on new context; you handwave such before simply insisting on the unfounded prominence of a conclusion said context dispelled.

I've clearly laid out the development of identitarian/grievance politics becoming the primary platform of the Democrat Party with reference to the history and character of "rainbow coalition" movements on the left. You have no answer to this other than to completely ignore it. I laid out a rationale of how such a confederacy of interests affords a faction/fridge a disproportionate voice (i.e. that's kind of their point) which, in turn, leads to the tail wagging the dog and being on the wrong side of 80/20 issues. Again, no response from you. The above predates the silly demarcation point you pretend exists in a vacuum. So, not only are you wrong you're also to stupid to discuss the matter properly.
>Did you not read where I explained the mechanism?
I'm not interested in your attempt to shift goalposts, anon. Why should I indulge your slide when you've been nothing but disingenuous?
>You missed the point I'm making
No, anon. I've repeatedly told you that I reject your hypothesis regarding HB2 while providing context and argument as to why I do so. Again, the superficiality of your demarcation point has been repeatedly pointed out. I didn't bring up Drag Queen Story Hour as a counter argument in terms of specific dates, as I've told you at least twice now, so it's quite obvious you're the one missing the point. Magazine covers and shit like using public funds to give gender queer weirdos access to children at public libraries demonstrates investment in the issue by the political left. Asserting, "durr, HB2 caused it because 2016" is, once again, an example of you begging the question instead of addressing arguments.


>Also, yes, the majority of people are stupid, panicky animals.
Anon, you're a midwit. Leave the cynicism to your betters because in your hands it comes off gauche.

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>>25248183
>We can both scroll up, this isn't true. You misunderstood what I was criticizing
I greentexted your entire mischaracterization of my argument and reiterated it thus demonstrating why your presentation was a strawman, retard.
>This probably sounded extremely epic mic drop in your head
No, I'm just being as clear as I can with you because it's quite obvious you're not smart enough to be having this conversation.

>>25248325
>superficial demarcation point
This >>25245402 is what I've been saying the entire time we've been talking. Trannies weren't part of the public consciousness until '16. If you want to say with a straight face that there was as much hate/love/fury/noise over trannies in '09, or '10, be my guest, but you'd be wrong.
>the Democrat Party
lmfao "democrat party" okay
>there was the rainbow coalition and that's how grievance politics began in the dems and [implied] that led to trannies being a hot button cultural issue of today
You've been giving a history of how the Dems came to care about trannies specifically, and it isn't wrong, but it's woefully incomplete, and acts as if the left is responsible for shoehorning trannies into the public debate. This isn't true at all. You keep on saying rainbow coalition rainbow coalition, but you haven't engaged at all with what I'm saying here
>I completely reject your hypothesis... I didn't bring up Drag Queen Story Hour as a counter argument in terms of dates
It's clear you reject it because you keep on giving "evidence" that supports what I'm saying. We keep having this exchange
>you say trannies weren't a big issue in the public sphere until after HB2? well what about THIS
>anon, that postdates HB2, or comes so close it doesn't apply. the thing you're referencing supports what I'm saying
>okay but the date isn't the point!
and I don't know how you don't see this.
>magazine covers... gender queer weirdos... investment in the issue by the political left
Yes? Why are you acting like this is some kind of revelation that I'm going to deny? Obviously trannies were adopted by the left. But they weren't embraced with such fervor until after the right attacked after HB2. You've got the causation backwards, that's what I've been saying the entire time
>you're a midwit and you're gauche and
You asked lmfao
>it didn't sound at all like an extremely epic mic drop in my head okay I heckin greentexted your entire mischaracterization and reiterated thus demonstrating why blah blah also you're retarded and I'm smart
Why are you talking like this? You don't need to talk like this

>>25247714
>I was agreeing with you
Yes, I know. What about my reply did you find antagonistic?

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>>25248422
>This >>25245402 is what I've been saying the entire time
And I've been clearly laying out why you're incorrect. I don't even have to read the rest of your post to know you're going to ignore the arguments I've made, hand waving all context with which you've been provided, while simply begging the question of your conclusion.
>Trannies weren't part of the public consciousness until '16.
You're shifting the goalposts. Your argument is that the GOP is responsible for giving trannies prominence in public discourse as evidenced by HB2 taking place in 2016 when it has already been demonstrated that the Democrat party shifted towards identitarian grievance politics under Obama as far back as 2008. This shift is what caused once fringe elements to gradually become amplified precipitating trans nonsense into becoming a wedge issue (i.e. the "rainbow coalition" Democrats believed would win them election after election became unwieldy and they more frequently found themselves on the wrong side of 80/20 issues).

The GOP didn't manufacture gender ideology and there's plenty of counter evidence demonstrating it was already on the rise at this time (e.g. the start of Drag Time Story Hour and pic-related). You're confusing the use of a wedge issue as being the cause of the issue itself and I've repeatedly demonstrated the shallowness of asserting "it came out of nowhere in 2016 because that's when HB2 happened". Furthermore, it wasn't Conservatives promoting gender ideology through popular media and symbolic appointments based in DEI nonsense.
>lmfao "democrat party" okay
There's that hand waving again. The fact is identitarianism and grievance politics became the main throughline of the Democrats under Obama. As someone else mentioned, this is partially because the Obama administration failed to hold anyone to account after the Great Recession and leaning into identity/grievance politics under a charismatic leader was convenient and within the natural inclinations of the left as I've already demonstrated.
>You've been giving a history of how the Dems came to care about trannies specifically, and it isn't wrong, but it's woefully incomplete, and acts as if the left is responsible for shoehorning trannies into the public debate
Anon, you've been pretending gender ideology came out of nowhere and was solely based upon a single law. This is woefully incomplete as I've demonstrated above. You confuse the fact it's a wedge issue favorable to the GOP with the idea that the Democrats didn't make their bed own in the manner I've described--I've explained amplifying fringe elements due to buying into the idea of a rainbow coalition and all you've been able to do is project your own misunderstanding onto me while reasserting a conclusion that has been repeatedly knocked down. It's pathetic.

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>>25248422
>>25248511
>It's clear you reject it because you keep on giving "evidence" that supports what I'm saying
That's called begging the question, retard. Instead of responding to arguments your retard brain assumes everything said favors your position. This is why you end up strawmanning and handwaving while projecting your own lack of comprehension into me.

I said earlier that you were disingenuous but the reality is you're just retarded.
>You asked lmfao
I mocked you for being a midwit, anon. Cheap cynicism only exemplifies such and you end up seeming gauche.
>Why are you talking like this?
Because I've earned the right to condescend to you and it's obvious you're an insecure midwit.

/end

wait has anyone even directly addressed the book so far

>>25248659
the trannies itt calling it trash but provide no counter points or lit rebuttals

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>>25248659
>the book
I'm skimming it and just found out one of the Pritzkers is a trannie and has been using the family fortune to fund various gender ideology initiatives. JB (Governor of Illinois) is his cousin.

>>25248033
The same people in OWS were attending BLM rallies.
Look at the Chapofags that were active in OWS. 10 years later they were promoting trans gofundme's on their podcast.

>>25244503
holy shit you got all the replies

good post, well thought out

>>25248778
so well placed revolutionary spirit got supplanted by bullshit?

>>25248778
so ur saying chapo are glowies engaged with left movements to ruin them? did u ever consider the reason leftism is so cringe is not because of a conspiracy but because leftism is just an incoherent mash-up of resentment and virtue signaling?

>>25248764
Yeah, there's some conspiracy theory-sounding type stuff that actually seems to check out w/r/t trannies. The way they plant themselves in positions of authority and have their tongues in the ears of people even more powerful is crazy. Even the way they take over places like reddit and twitter (pre-Elon takeover) and disseminate their bullshit has shown to be particularly effective at brainwashing people.
It sounds crazy and then you read stuff about the WPATH and find out that Biden health appointee AGP got the age limits removed on procedures that are controversial even for adults, it's fucking nuts.
Around the time of that bathroom bill was going around that the in-thread tranny keeps bringing up, I thought conservative and radfems were the crazy ones. Whoops. Gotta eat crow on that one. I'm sorry republicans and radfems.

>>25244447
Helen joyce used to be a research mathematician before becoming a journalist for the economist and now she's speaking truth to power facing down one of the most deranged movements in world history. Extremely interesting and admirable woman.

>>25246777
Remember when radical feminist meant andrea dworkin and such

>>25249114
used to mean you thought all hetero sex was rape and now it just means anyone who denies that men can become women

>>25246114
>trannies are quiet
>nobody notices or cares
>trannies start being loud and annoying
>people start noticing and caring
>"see? nobody cared about trannies before they started being obnoxious so that means the GOP invented the outrage against them"

>>25249157
right? what a fucking moron this anon is.
>for decades, only passing, well behaved transwomen that nobody notices get away with breaking the rules. and they're still breaking the rules, just not getting caught.
>bill is introduced so any hairy man with a beard and an erection can start using the bathroom so long as he's willing to say 'i'm a lady' and he's no longer breaking the rules
>oh yeah and don't forget it's now also locker rooms, sports, prisons, grade schools
>why is everyone so mad?
fucking retard anon. one of the dumbest arguments i've seen made on any board ever, and i used to frequent /x/

>>25249174
there's a transman at my work who makes everyone call him he/him even though he always has a feminine hairstyle with bangs and shit, and i saw him wearing a dress yesterday. it's like bro if u want to do this he/him stuff u can't rock a dress? or are u trying to be like double trans and be a transman who identifies as a transwoman? i get being a tall chick is probably awkward, but just stop the madness, dude. idk maybe he dropped the transman stuff, but all his emails and work shit still has he/him on it... idk man.

>>25248511
>caitlyn jenner jpg
Already discussed here with another anon >>25247374
>you're going to... handwave all context
Like I keep saying, the context you're giving is woefully incomplete and acts as if one day for no reason at all the left pressed trannies into the public sphere
>you're begging the question of your conclusion
You keep saying this, but really I'm explaining why I'm right
>Your argument is that the GOP is responsible for giving trannies prominence in public discourse as evidenced by HB2 taking place in 2016
Yes
>the Democrat party
lmfao "Democrat party" this is making me laugh because you sound like boomer right-wing cable news when you say this instead of "Democratic Party" but okay let's keep going
>Dems shifted towards identitarian grievance politics under Obama as far back as 2008... this shift caused fringe elements to amplify precipitating trannies into a wedge issue...
You seem to think I'm denying this. I'm not denying this. But it's very, very incomplete, and ignores the context of right-wing attacks on gays/trannies/etc for electoral expediency, which I've already given.
>okay but Drag Queen Story Hour was already on the rise
Yes, in the gayest part of the gayest city in America 3ish months before HB2. It wasn't a nationally relevant movement.
>I've repeatedly demonstrated the shallowness of asserting it came out of nowhere
No, you haven't. You've parroted "rainbow coalition" over and over. Do you think that I'm saying "trannies didn't exist prior to '16" or something?
>Furthermore, it wasn't Conservatives promoting gender ideology through popular media and symbolic appointments based in DEI nonsense.
Right, liberals did that. They did so after conservatives went on the attack after the fury around HB2. This is why the luggage-stealing tranny was hired, as I've already said. You keep doing this thing where you make a claim that you clearly think is the equivalent of a chest kick down the stairs, but it's something that either doesn't apply to what I'm saying or supports what I'm saying
>identitarianism and grievance politics became the main throughline of the Dems under Obama
Yes? Why are you expecting me to deny this? You think this is the main driver for trannyism -- I've explained that it's not. In the Obama years it wasn't trannies, it was gays, and the fight wasn't over bathrooms, it was over gay marriage
>you've been pretending gender ideology came out of nowhere and was solely based upon a single law.
No, this is what you think I'm saying because you get upset when you talk about trannies. Trannyism predates HB2, obviously, but the mass anti-tranny movement of today / the furor of today is largely a result of the fight that HB2 started. I'm not saying HB2 invented trannies
>you're doing a begging the question and a strawman and you're gauche and
It's extremely funny you can't tell that you sound like a redditor. Thus demonstrating, gauche, only exemplifies such, heckin logical fallacies, lmao

>>25249192
they don't transition anymore to "become" the opposite sex. they transition to become trans. it's a subculture unto itself.
in the early days of this garbage, the onus of pronouns was on the trans person to make everyone think their preferred pronouns were the correct ones, now the onus is on everyone else even when it feels like they're baiting us to get them "wrong"
it attracts cluster bs who like to be the victim and who have unstable senses of identity like flies to shit

>>25249157
>trannies are quiet
>nobody notices or cares
>suddenly for absolutely zero reason whatsoever trannies start being loud and annoying
>people start noticing and caring
>see? nobody cared about trannies before they started being obnoxious without any kind of cause for absolutely no reason at all
You're not even a little curious as to why trannies started being loud and annoying all of a sudden? Like, not even a little bit?
>>25249174
That's not what HB2 was. There was no law governing trannies in bathrooms whatsoever in NC. HB2 was the first law prohibiting trannies from going into the bathroom they wanted to go into. It's not the other way around -- HB2 didn't legalize trannies going into whatever bathroom they wanted, that was already the law. You don't really know what you're talking about

>>25249264
>That's not what HB2 was. There was no law governing trannies in bathrooms whatsoever in NC. HB2 was the first law prohibiting trannies from going into the bathroom they wanted to go into. It's not the other way around -- HB2 didn't legalize trannies going into whatever bathroom they wanted, that was already the law. You don't really know what you're talking about
bull, that is what self id is and what evolved from this debate, regardless of the specifics of the bill. and whether they were breaking the law or just breaking policy is irrelevant, men weren't allowed in women's restrooms and would be kicked out of any establishment until this shit broke open.

>>25245372
That's just the lukewarm supporters, not the people demanding that children get chopped up if they touch a toy made for the opposite sex. Even the most defensible type of trannyism where it is a brain-body mismatch is of dubious credibility and even if legitimate, definitely not even close to the majority of cases.

>>25249264
>"You're not even a little curious as to why trannies started being loud and annoying all of a sudden? Like, not even a little bit?"
>get picked on for being annoying
>be even more annoying and obnoxious in response
>"heh, yeah, that'll show them!"
>get picked on harder instead

>>25247223
Hmm I truly wonder why you cut the name out of picrel
The guy's Robert Trivers, aka evolutionary biologist and a nonce about women overall
>"puberty blockers" (read: chemical castration)
Objectively false, unless you want to call SSRIs (peddled by bongies as a replacement) chemical lobotomy
>mutilating surgeries
read "mutilation is anything i don't heccin like!!!"
>whether or not the child (and their parents) are even capable of understanding any future consequences that will result
what consequences?
>the lie that puberty can be "paused" without any change in development
what "changes in development"?
Here's the thing I notice about your kind. There's never any concrete, real argument. You keep vagueniggering, both online and on paper (>25246011, >25245610 >25244447), even in scientific journals you manage to do that, fearmongering about 'muh harm' (which often you can't reliably prove) "muh lack of evidence" (either complains about low amount of people or outright excludes it out of reviews because, drumroll... mtfs and ftms were in the same study. Not even their data grouped together, just in the study. Genuine reason given by the UK underage hrt "evidence review", alongside the studies not being in English, any wording of "puberty blocker" in the study and similar. Excluded 96.8% of studies in total.). You don't produce any actual valuable research, any valuable insight that isn't repurposed screeching of Greene or Janice Raymond, genuinely anything.

> a permanent class of people who will rely on them totally for gender affirming therapies, surgeries and medications for the rest of their lives

Do you think people get surgeries yearly? The Australian system and its data shows that both kinds of transgenders drift away from the psychiatric system after about 2-3 years, including diagnosis. Turns out that if you don't force people into it, people won't be in it. Also you can buy a 10 year supply of estrogen for like 100 bucks, not a very lucrative business. A much more lucrative business would be gaslighting the patients about their problem, offering them SSRI after SSRI antipsychotic after antipsychotic, every one of course costly and not available to DIY, fully demonize any attempt at changing sexual characteristics, offer every hick psychnigger ""therapy"" possible, and after the patient gets fully milked of money, throw them out... oh wait, I think I can name a country that does that.

>>25249255
>Already discussed here with another anon
Don't care. It's another example that predates your bullshit.
>Like I keep saying, the context you're giving is woefully incomplete
You keep asserting it without backing it up because you're a moron.
>You keep saying this, but really I'm explaining why I'm right
You're not explaining anything. You're ignoring why you're wrong.
>Yes
And there you go again completely ignoring the very next sentence explaining why you're wrong.
>lmfao "Democrat party" this is making me laugh because you sound like boomer right-wing cable news
It's called the Democrat party, retard. You're a midwit parroting le Fox News bad like it's 2005.
>You seem to think I'm denying this. I'm not denying this. But it's very, very incomplete
Again, you're pretending gender ideology was the brainchild of the GOP and came out of nowhere in 2016. That's retarded.
>Yes, in the gayest part of the gayest city in America 3ish months before HB2
So? It and Caitlyn Jenner were still before HB2. For the tenth fucking time, I don't buy into your argument that everything started in 2016.
>You've parroted "rainbow coalition" over and over
Parroting is when you repeat something you've heard other people say, retard. Also, this is the first time you've engaged with that argument and, as with every other post you make, it's a hand wave.
>Do you think that I'm saying "trannies didn't exist prior to '16" or something?
Why, do you want to pretend I do to make another strawman?
>They did so after conservatives went on the attack after the fury around HB2
See, this is an example of begging the question. You haven't proven your point and I've already explained how identitarianism and grievance politics were endemic to the Democrat party prior to this. You simply ignore all of that and assert your conclusion still holds. You're an idiot.
>You think this is the main driver for trannyism -- I've explained that it's not.
You haven't explained that it's not. You've asserted it isn't while ignoring how I've contextualized it in a way that undermines your entire argument. Also, this is yet another strawman because I'm not arguing gender ideology never existed before it was co-opted under the Democrat umbella that via that aforementioned rainbow coalition.
>No, this is what you think I'm saying because you get upset when you talk about trannies.
It's basically what you're saying via handwaving the historical context with which you've been provided. You're an idiot.
>It's extremely funny you can't tell that you sound like a redditor.
Keep crying, faggot. You're a midwit.

>>25249264
the rich dropped all of this stuff at our feet (along with BLM), to try to take the heat off the banks. I told you already.

>>25249345
>caring about black and trans folks is actually an anti-social conspiracy by billionaires
wow, dude. take the heat off banks for what exactly? dodd-frank was passed in 2010.

>>25249347
For the bailouts. The 2008 economic crash. Which then lead to OWS.

And yes, acting like black people and trannies in 2013 were basically being pushed into concentration camps, was a false reality that was forced on us as a distraction.

>>25249357
the banks paid back the bailouts and got stuck with a bunch of new onerous regulations. they didn't violate any laws. the government was pushing those nina loans to make home ownership accessible to "non-traditional" workers. maybe that was a bad idea, but i guess letting strippers get access to adjustable rate mortgages seemed like a good idea that time? sometimes virtue signaling has unintended consequences.

this retard wants you to think trannyism didnt enter the public consciousness until this bill meanwhile there's a whole litany of evidence showing that leftists at the time were already rabid in their support for men being in bathrooms and started employing cancel culture tactics against the entire state over it. if anything all this bill and its reaction shows is that conservatives were late, not early, to the tranny question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Facilities_Privacy_%26_Security_Act#Economic_impact

>>25249404
When did that mongo who streams with Jim Sterling get a sex change? I swear in gamer speheres trannies just errupted onto the scene somewhere in the early 10's, and then you could hardly move for them.
The terminally online are usually patient zero for whatever social changes are being engineered.

>>25249404
In OP's book it's pointed out that George Soros was already funding this stuff in the early 2010s as was John Stryker. In 2015, a year before HB2, Stryker laid out a 5 year financing initiative to promote trans shit.

That guy is fucking dumb.

>>25249461
>m-muh book!!!
actual evidence buddy

>>25248998
Bullshit was already baked in the American leftist cake for 5 decades before 2010.

>>25249488
I was agreeing with you, retard. Instead of crying for sources search shit for yourself if you take issue with it.

>>25249096
>retarded schizobabble
but when leftists do this its "le heccin drumpf derangement" and "coping"
>Even the way they take over places like reddit and twitter (pre-Elon takeover) and disseminate their bullshit has shown to be particularly effective at brainwashing people.
Reminder, much less evidence for this than for Elon openly botting his platform to manipulate public opinion (API ban in 2023)
>muh WPATH
Kenneth Zucker, major contributor to underage healthcare bans and the only person that has created a vaguely consistent conversion model, has made multiple studies on "attractiveness of children with Gender Identity Disorder"
>got the age limits removed on procedures that are controversial even for adults
And guess what, underage SRS continued to not be provided. Most of the youngshits that got it at 17 got it in Thailand or shit, before an age limit was set up

>>25249559
>4thwavenow
And this is why you shouldn't trust google overviews, anon
>faggotry overall
Congratulations.

>>25249568
>Reminder, much less evidence for this
They literally banned people for sharing the Hunter Biden laptop story, retard. The Twitter Files also showed that intelligence agents were working within the company and shadow banning was rampant.

>>25249572
>T-THAT SOURCE DOESN'T COUNT!!!
It's multiple sources and that particular part of the AI overview doesn't even have anything to do with the claim that both Soros and Stryker ramped up their funding of trans bullshit in the early 2010s you fucking retard.

>>25249583
>doesn't even have anything to do
It does, listing them as "top funders", disingenous retard
The only other one is some unnamed shit from "Washington Times".
>>25249578
>They literally banned people for sharing the Hunter Biden laptop story, retard.
You can now get banned for having a parody account not explicitly spoiled as parody, retard
>The Twitter Files also showed that intelligence agents were working within the company
They still are
>shadow banning was rampant
not much to shadow ban if 90% of your site is botted

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>>25249602
>It does, listing them as "top funders"
In 2016-17 you fucking idiot.
>The only other one is some unnamed shit
You were wrong, retard. Soros/Stryker increased their funding efforts for trans stuff between 2010-2013 (i.e. the early 2010s). The book in OP goes into some detail as to where money went specifically highlighting self-ID advocacy BEFORE North Carolina's HB2.

The excerpts in pic-related are from the book. Note to that it mentions the "bathroom wars" and how funding was already ongoing before they started. Also, the reason NC passed HB2 was the rise in self-ID advocacy which was being promoted with money provided by Soros and Stryker well before that.

>>25249602
>You can now get banned for having a parody account not explicitly spoiled as parody
Which makes sense because you're impersonating someone. The Biden administration sent a guy to prison for tweeting a meme about texting in your vote and his avatar was fucking a MAGA hat wearing Charlie Sheen in a Bane mask.
>They still are
Doubt it and if they are it's under the direction of Elon and not explicitly shadow government bullshit.
>not much to shadow ban if 90% of your site is botted
Bullshit, retard. Also, Twitter banned people for telling journalists that were laid off to "learn to code" and mass banned people who started using the NPC meme to mock people parroting the MSM.

>>25249631
>federal cuckery is good if my favourite billionaire is doing it
LMFAO not arguing with you anymore. Have fun on your poojet website or something
> Soros/Stryker increased their funding efforts for trans stuff between 2010-2013 (i.e. the early 2010s)
Proof? Past the "google overview" you just copied
most of the ones described are faggot+tranny combined (MAP, HRC, Planned parenthood, ACLU, Athlete Ally, ILGA), just weirdly bent by the author to present as exclusively pro-tranny, as well as seething about some random college program?

The main actually centered points for your argument would be the groups that campained against HB2 (the promised Arcus donations) and the 2014 self-ID booklet which I admit didn't know about (however the author even manages to screw that up, it wasn't "supported" it literally is authored by the organization, which would make her point more, why didn't she say it? I think the internet existed in 2020, she could've searched that up)

>>25249530
that's the thing though. I don't think it was just leftists. I think Millennials were pretty unanimously pissed off with the rich.

>>25249662
>LMFAO not arguing with you anymore
Yet you proceed to argue.
>federal cuckery is good if my favourite billionaire is doing it
Who are you quoting?
>Proof?
You're free to demonstrate any of these >>25249559/>>25249567/>>25249626 are factually incorrect.
>most of the ones described are faggot+tranny combined
Not all? Then what's your point? The group's specifically fund transactivism projects. Simple as.
>The main actually centered points for your argument would be the groups that campained against HB2 (the promised Arcus donations)
No. Money was given to groups that had nothing to do with HB2 prior to that legislation.
>rambling nonsense
You're retarded.

>>25244447
>is there a decent rebuttal to this?
there is none
its tranover

>>25244503
>why the fuck does it obsess the average retard so much
I would be very glad to forget about trannies forever but they keep pushing themselves everywhere.

>>25249746
>Who are you quoting?
I am showing the argument of >>25249631
>Yet you proceed to argue.
not with xim, unless you are the same person which would be incredibly pathetic.
>You're free to demonstrate any of these >>25249559/>>25249567/>>25249626 are factually incorrect.
Burden of proof is on (You), buddy.
>Not all? Then what's your point? The group's specifically fund transactivism projects. Simple as.
That most of this paragraph is screeching for the sake of puffing out your example numbers. Otherwise called citation manipulation, or citation fraud.
>No. Money was given to groups that had nothing to do with HB2 prior to that legislation.
Which groups? Practically all cited, maybe (a big maybe here) past Transgender Europe have been involved in HB2 campaigning, and the money has been given at the time of that law.

>>25250984
>am showing the argument
Nope. You're demonstrating shit reading comprehension after making a false claim.
>not with xim, unless you are the same person
You only tagged a single post and it's pretty obvious you got BTFO and came back pretending to be a different person, retard.
>Burden of proof is on (You)
The sources for which you retardedly asked were provided and they proved you wrong. Soros and Stryker were funding transactivism in the early 2010s prior to HB2. Specifically, they funded self-ID advocacy which itself caused the bathroom wars, retard.
>Practically all cited, maybe (a big maybe here) past Transgender Europe have been involved in HB2 campaigning
All were being funded prior to HB2 existing, retard.

Keep grasping at straws you dumb midwit faggot.

Wow, there is one massively butthurt tranny in this thread. Holy shit. Lmao.
Can't wait for all this shit to be outlawed and every tranny to goes to jail, btw. We're all so tired of their nonsense. Imagine having to deal with dudes like the guy in this thread every day.

I think the outrage was planned and you all got baited.

>>25251158
Yeah, that retard dying on the hill that transactivism bullshit didn't exist until 2016 and was manufactured by conservatives certainly is a butthurt faggot.

>>25251165
I think you're now pretending that you were being retarded on purpose because you lost an online debate and don't want to face the fact you're an idiot.

>>25251181
I'm an unc and I met my first transman in 1999 and it was obviously bullshit then and it's obviously bullshit now.
This stuff has been stewing for a while. There was some anti-trans book like OP's written by a radical feminist in the 1970s (!!!) that I read a few pages of that basically is word for word what they're saying today, with some words changed.

The guy who said trannies purposefully take over internet spaces like reddit and twitter to control the information deemed acceptable and unacceptable was bang on. They've been doing it since the beginning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Horton