What time does to a Mf'er editionPost your philosophy stacks>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25194327
Informal philosophy student here. I'm on Plato right now. I think I'll jump to Judith Butler next.
my summer stack...basic i know. Some of this ill read carefully, summarize, take notes etc. but for some it Ill just go through leisurely.
>>25245895It's far from the best Aristotle book but it's kind of interesting to pair the Politics with Plato's Republic since he spends like a quarter of it trashing Socrates' ideal state
>>25245907Also if you want to get seriously into Aristotelian metaphysics and epistemology I'd recommend reading Plato's Statesman and Sophist first because they are pretty much the foundation of Aristotelianism
>>25245915>>25245907Okay thanks I'll make note of this.
Philosophy is just speculation about things until we have better evidence. Atomism solved what reality is made of, the Molyneux paradox was solved through empirical testing, Einstein solved the nature of time, and so on. If you really want to learn about reality, then you should read popular science books. One pop science book contains more information about reality than the complete works of Plato and Aristotle.https://youtu.be/RECuQaaGGfA
>>25245921I never knew this is where the quote comes from. I actually like this and I think all the hate was undeserved.
>>25245894Lol
>>25245921Atomism didn't solve anything. In fact its the root of the problem.
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>>25245934beast
>>25245925It's a good song. Admirable to have a guy loving science and making a song about it.
>>25245934Where are we starting idealistbro?
>things have an ideal state, maybe>free will does not exist, probably>morality is subjective, possibly>this type of government is the best, I thinkphilosophy is so worthless it's insane. you can just make any claim and write thousands upon thousands of pages to prove it's the case but the opposite can still be true.
>>25246000nigga just found out about the human condition nice trips
>>25245934this guy kants
>>25245887>What time does to a Mf'erYou mean Mfer
>>25245968Hume and Berkeley
>>25245934absolutely based. i look forward to being treated to more of your posts.
Schopbros...
>>25245934Might as well have Venus in Furs since you're a masochist
>>25246000Nice discovery Hume
>>25246374Motherf'ucker>>25246632Goat, Sopa de Schopenhauer
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>>25245887I am finishing Nietzsches Genealogy today and will start Max Schelers The Human Place in the Cosmos afterwards. Does anybody have an opinion about him?
>>25246374that's what i mean?
>>25246773You're a very intelligent person for reading such big books ;_;
>>25247365Stop being mean
Informal philosophy student here. I'm on Ayn Rand right now. I think I'll jump to Plotinus next.
>Philosophy is just speculation about things until we have better evidenceWhy do people feel specially entitled to shit on philosophy? You don't see idiots going around making their idiotic statements about other disciplines as often. What causes midwits to move like this?
>>25247500if you dont have the iq to understand something, write it off as nonsense and stick to copy/pasting conclusions from "studies"
In all seriousness why does nobody every mention Kant's Third Critique? I didn't even know it existed until just now and I read the First Critique the better part of a decade ago
>>25246000Isn't it itself a proof of free will?If you are someone who were intelectualized by a school of thought you most related to you are by now acting accordingly to it by your own choice.
>>25247678>I didn't even know it existed until just now and I read the First Critique the better part of a decade ago
>>25247500Because it requires your thoughts. They are philosophically trying to persuade us about how worthless is our discipline.
Once I finish up school for the semester I'm gonna reeed so hhard
When the LLM starts mentioning Heidegger you are in trouble.Strong warning sign for psychosis.
>>25247498Rand feels exciting to read but fundamentally it's based on axioms. These aren't proved by the ideas themselves, the rest of it rests upon accepting them as true.This means her thinking can't participate in discussion that touches on these items. Consciousness, identity, truth, Rand doesn't have anything interesting to say here because she uses axioms.It's also a bit of a sophomoric/embarrassing idea system to be honest. I think it's often treated too harshly but there is a reason why people treat it the way they do.Organized groups like ARI and The Atlas Society both operate like cults (with ARI being the more cult-like of the two). Read up on the Piekoff/Kelley split. In past ARI conferences, they have had live schisms mid-conference, pulling people off stage mid-speech etc. I think Atlas Society hasn't had this as much only because they are smaller and less important.
>>25247678The Third is the one that explains how the first two fit together. Strange that it is treated as optional.>>25246773The transition from Genealogy to Scheler is natural. Scheler thought Nietzsche had the phenomenon of ressentiment right but the analysis wrong, so there is a direct argument there. "The Human Place in the Cosmos" is thin, more a lecture than a book, you can read it in a single sitting. His work on value and ethics is more substantial if you want to go further.>>25245894That is a significant distance.
>>25248443I feel so good right now after getting my diploma I worked for the past 6 years a year ago. I read the Platonic dialogues, the writings by Aristotle, Spinoza, Descartes, Hume, Kant, Hegel , Freud, Jung, Schelling, Fichte, Rousseau , Hobbes, Chinese philosophers , Japanese philosophers, Indian philosophers, literature, poetry.. I might even read the Bible , the Quran and the talmoud, although I’m not a big fan of stupidly self-righteousness especially since I was raised by an ironically emotionally psychopathic self-righteous ignorant father.
>>25248728I've read most of those however, where does one find an entry point into Eastern thought?
>>25247500This attitude is unfortunately present even amongst academic philosophers. When I studied philosophy in uni one of the first classes we had taught us that philosophy is basically worthless, inferior to science, can't produce answers, is more like art than knowledge, etc.. It soured the whole course because if those things were really true then why were they offering classes in philosophy in the first place?The main thing that upsets normgroids is that philosophy hasn't produced a strong consensus. They need to be told what to think by an overwhelming number of voices all descending on the same point with the dogmatic certitude that exists in the hard sciences. There, if you question any of the dogmas, they do anything in their power to humiliate you socially, oust you from your position, brand you as a crank, discredit you. In philosophy you have idiots like David Lewis and Daniel Dennett proposing absurd hypotheses like modal realism or physicalism and philosophers take it on board as an acceptable theory. And of course the idea of an iron consensus in science is a myth anyway. Theories get discredited and replaced all the time. Newtonian physics gives way to Einstein and quantum mechanics, something like string theory is hotly debated, etc.. And most published scientific experiments are not even reproducible, an astonishing fact that literally nobody ever talks about and is never held against science.Another big factor is that philosophy makes no money. Mathematics, which is similar to philosophy in that it deals with abstract subjects and utilises a priori reasoning, would be similarly mocked were its reputation not elevated by its commercial applications.Ultimately we live in a very intellectually bankrupt time, despite all our technology.
>>25248739Everything about the “soul”, namely the mind, not socialism, communism, sociology, capitalism, materialism and the like— individualism and transcendentalism is your entry.
>>25248782facts
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>>25248782Thomas Kuhn had them on a short leash anywaysIn a different register, whats some other philosophers who deal with "mass man" concepts other than Gasset?
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Are there any good lessions about plato/aristoteles to learn about deeper interpretations of their texts?
>>25247500It's kinda true though. Philosophy doesn't have a "subject" like biology or geology does. As such, it's better defined by its tools, which is human reasoning and abstraction. However, as has been the eternal debate in metaphysics, it's somewhat impossible to get any tangible results from either.>>25248565Can you develop ? My biggest issue with Rand was mostly that she took for granted that capitalism was the most compatible system with her ethical egoism.
>>25249892>It's kinda true thoughIt simply isn't. Learn to respect the law of excluded middle, trooner.
