>McCarthy has never shown interest in a steady job, a trait that seems to have annoyed both his ex-wives. "We lived in total poverty," says the second, Annie DeLisle, now a restaurateur in Florida. For nearly eight years they lived in a dairy barn outside Knoxville. "We were bathing in the lake," she says with some nostalgia. "Someone would call up and offer him $2,000 to come speak at a university about his books. And he would tell them that everything he had to say was there on the page. So we would eat beans for another week."So he put his wives and children in absolute poverty for his undying vision? Or was it merely vanity?
>Someone would call up and offer him $2,000 to come speak at a university about his books. And he would tell them that everything he had to say was there on the page. Unfathomably based
>>25246581>his undying visionConsidering he had none I would say it's the latter. Also he later repented and wrote screenplays for Hollywood.
Imagine the nagging
>broke ass nigga who hates going out to talk about himself, even when offered """money"""He like me fr
Absolutely based
>>25246581Pride in one's lack of pride is sly and pernicious, as Marcus Aurelius would say. I like McCarthy, but I struggle to understand his choices. He seemed to struggle to understand them as well.
imagine being so shook of public speaking that u turn down 2 gees. just go to toastmasters bro.
>>25246641He built a brand on authenticity and uncompromising artistry, which he unironically sold to Hollywood in a package.
>>25246642maybe he had one of those little short guy voices that sounds like an accordian
>>25246643https://youtu.be/y3kpzuk1Y8I?si=Q_c1YufdToB440m9
>>25246642His last two novels are anything but Hollywood slop
Every bit of information I acquire about McCarthy's life just solidifies in me the belief that he was massively autistic.
>>25246581Maybe he hated his wives and didn't want them to benefit from his toil.
>>25246581Unspeakably based. Most can only dream of starving a bitch while writing multiple great american novels
>>25246592>>25246599>>25246616>>25246736why do you hate women?
>>25246849why do you eat poop? lmao, stop doing that it's gross
>>25246849>why do you hate women?
>>25246849I really don't have time to explain my PHD thesis to you. But there is that one part of the Bible where Adam's rib bone took advice from a snake.
>>25246860Damn. Why did god (male) make her that way?
>>25246581The male desire to only eat beans...
>>25246887AYO DIS NIGGA EATIN' BEANS
>>25246581desu the university people and students are extremely annoying and interacting with them is exhausting af
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>>25246595>Considering he had none I would say it's the latterYes I'm not sure that he had any sort of vision or mission in particular. What would "Mcarthyism" be? What is his central point that everything was built around? I don't know that there is one. But he did have something inside he needed to get out>>25246599She sounds supportive. Women respect you if you live your principles>>25246615This post says nothing, and does so in the most annoying way.
>>25246981>What would "Mcarthyism" be? What is his central point that everything was built around?Skill issue. Read the epigraph of Cities of the plains or the Judge's final speech to the Kid. He is a visionary novelist and even the way his writing style embodies his vision.
>>25246861for Adam and his progeny to understand their own duty and justification in subjecting woman: she is otherwise easily led astray by evil
>>25246581He definitely changed his mind later in life when had his second son because then he started selling scripts to Hollywood and wrote The Road (his most commercial book) and did the Oprah interview
I don't believe he was that poor. When wealthy people try living on the equivalent of what would be 35k a year they consider themselves destitute and cry broke. I'm sure Daddy cut a check whenever he needed a new car or some dental work.
>>25247895There's poor and then there's dirt poor.
>>25246581Can't wait for the inevitable biography so we can see if this is true.
>>25247895Barn living, bathing in a lake and beans for a week is poor. You have no concept of what being truly poor entails.
>>25247895All this came from his estranged wife and not from him. It's almost certainly true. If McCarthy said it you could accuse him of self mythologizing but the man has never talked about himself publicly
>>25246981>>25246992>>25246595Isn’t the whole point of his work that he really has none?In terms of NCFOM, part of the point seems to be resisting any greater narrative or ideas about reality. He’s called himself “mostly a materialist” so i look at his work through that lens. In that sense, NCFOM is about everyone and their version of “reality”. controlling it, then losing that control. or the narratives about reality they feed others for control like the judge. It’s all BS that is ultimately ruled by determinism or some other gay shit. one of you autists come up with something better. DESU he seems like he ultimately regretted getting into writing because whether gnostic, esoteric, or christian, etc, he couldn’t really buy into any of it even though he was a talented writer. And he ultimately seemed to not think that differently to normie physicists even though he understand a lot of odd subjects. So, we get these works that are more a lens on character action and what version of reality they follow that the action is fueled by.
>>25248611This is a very midwit take. You don't need religion to have a vision. From the beginning his work had strong ties to absurdism and a Baudrillardian view of reality. Mccarthy's fiction has aspired for empiricism and the paradoxes of our rituals and beliefs become visible when viewed that way.>what version of reality they followOne thing Mccarthy never did was write from a character's perspective. In fact, we are presented Billy's journey so painstakingly detailed in The Crossing precisely because its interpretation, or lack thereof, must stand against all the 3 soliloquies in the book, each trying to ascertain the shape of the world and the mechanism of its workings. His narration always sought to capture how things really are, than channel them through a human paradigm. If you want some word for it it'd be transhumanism but not the pop culture bs kind. It's the transhumanism of Robinson Jeffers and Nietszche as well. With lots of Wittgenstein and a dash of Heidegger.>This is an orchestration for an event. For a dance in fact. The participants will be apprised of their roles at the proper time. For now it is enough that they have arrived. As the dance is the thing with which we are concerned and contains complete within itself its own arrangement and history and finale there is no necessity that the dancers contain these things within themselves as well. In any event the history of all is not the history of each nor indeed the sum of those histories and none here can finally comprehend the reason for his presence for he has no way of knowing even in what the event consists. In fact, were he to know he might well absent himself and you can see that that cannot be any part of the plan if plan there be.>Bear with me. That man there. You know his opinion of the world. You can read it in his face, in his stance. Yet his complaint that a man's life is no bargain masks the actual case with him. Which is that men will not do as he wishes them to. Have never done, never will do. That's the way of things with him and his life is so balked about by difficulty and become so altered of its intended architecture that he is little more than a walking hovel hardly fit to house the human spirit at all. Can he say, such a man, that there is no malign thing set against him? That there is no power and no force and no cause?>A man seeks his own destiny and no other, said the judge. Will or nill. Any man who could discover his own fate and elect therefore some opposite course could only come at last to that selfsame reckoning at the same appointed time, for each man's destiny is as large as the world he inhabits and contains within it all opposites as well. This desert upon which so many have been broken is vast and calls for largeness of heart but it is also ultimately empty. It is hard, it is barren. Its very nature is stone.
>>25248649You mentioning all these people and ideas like absurdism just proves my point. You couldn’t just break HIS vision down for me. Funny how im the midwit, though. I never claimed he wrote from a characters perspective. My whole point is that he writes in ways where the audience gets information based on character action, which includes speech. And on the religious side, i don’t claim you need this to be a compelling writer. My whole point is that his world view is relatively simple. He wouldn’t claim that he shows how “things are” in any meaningful sense. He literally said the world does not know you are here. You cant really make sense of anything under those terms. From there, his materialist world-view is the clearest thing he can make sense of, and everything follows from there. Which is why he didnt even reach much fiction towards the end of his life. He saw it more as ideological stuff that could be useful, but doesnt break down reality the way he found interesting in physics or science. That is not to say that his works arent complex, but they work more off of observation of human psychology than pushing any central narrative about reality that was consistent throughout his work. You could be an autist and say that’s a paradox because his dedication to this world view is the thread that ties it all, but you all know what i mean. You read Wittgenstein.
>>25248649Dropping quotes when he never attributes anything characters or his world-viewsay to himself is also gay btw
>>25248673You just don't get it. I don't have to break down his views for you because you're not really in a position to understand >He wouldn’t claim that he shows how “things are” in any meaningful senseIt's clear you're not in the headspace to even understand my implication. I am not talking about stories or "narratives" or what you call "views"Do two things instead of arguing with me. Read the epigraph at the end of the cities of the plain, and read Simulacra and Simulation. And if you need further support, read this. https://blogmeridian.com/circular-reasoning/Mccarthy is working in the same spirit as Kant was trying to get to, or at least fence the visible, rock-bottom reality. And just for your information, rock bottom reality isn't some other dimension where sky daddy is performing yoga, nor the DMT bullshit. It's the ability to comprehend things without the medium of symbols.
>>25248675It don't have to be his views but they present something that that particular work is trying to get at just by simply being a part of it.
>>25248687>Simulacra and SimulationThis nigga needed a book to tell him life imitates art, that people imitate each other.
>>25248673>My whole point is that his world view is relatively simple. He wouldn’t claim that he shows how “things are” in any meaningful sense. He literally said the world does not know you are here. You cant really make sense of anything under those termsAll I can see is that you have simplified it to keep yourself in control of the interpretation, and won't admit further investigations. You say he doesn't attribute what his characters say to himself, but then attribute exactly what many of his characters say ("the world does not know you are here") to him. His narrator never says anything of that sort. In fact, his narrators are the most restless ones, trying to divine some revealing pattern with their absurd associations (hidden in all those figurative constructs).Even if that really was his view, there is a lot more to it. This is like reducing Berkeley's or Hume's idealism to le "it's all in your head, lil bro".
>>25248694Please read the book before making up bullshit. Although you seem too stupid for all the writers mentioned in this thread.
>>25248702From the summary i read it sounds like nothing new.
>>25248702Maybe you could attempt to articulate what you find so profound about it..
>>25248707Isn't this the problem with you? The unwillingness to believe that there could be more to ideas beyond the single sentence you know them to be.
>>25248708You said to me "read Wittgenstein" so I suppose you have a passing familiarity with him. So I suppose you will also be able to understand that my "rearrangement" and downsizing of all that Baudrillard wrote in a relatively small passage will not honestly represent his work. If you think about it, this is the central idea in The Crossing, except there the primary work is replaced by experience itself.
>>25248709>>25248715>You said to me "read Wittgenstein" I did not. Just wanted to see if you would explain whats so profound and original about this famous book you read and understood instead of deflecting.
>>25248721Most of what you know or believe (not just ideas) is legal fiction. Required for existing within civilization. Humans constantly live in a simulation of reality where the original referrents from which our symbols have come are marginalized in favor of their signifiers.
>>25248729FUCKKK MY MONEY ISNT REAL!!!
>>25248697First off, he confirmed this as something he believes to Lawrence Krauss. I can only tell you what he believes based on what he has said. Even if he does believe things his characters say, I have no way to confirm that. I’m not claiming this the only thing all his novels works off of, but it’s certainly a big part of it in his later works. I do think he was still developing things in BM, though. I’m not trying to simplify anything about his work, they are very complex. And im aware of the mirroring and all. But all of you on here always hate on complexity in stuff like DFW, but claim that his world view is relatively simple and basic. I never thought that hurt an author. That’s what makes cormac great, the simplicty on the surface and everything hidden beneath. And i dont mean simplicty in terms of the language he uses obviously.
>>25248733I have not written anything about DFW ever
>>25248756Ok, i was mistaken in saying that, sorry.
>>25246581>Or was it merely vanity?It was vanity. Cormac came from a wealthy educated family. He has wealthy siblings, wealth parents, wealthy school friends. He was never in danger of starving or being truly poor. He's never relied on or used government assistance because when he needed money he just called up his family or one of his school mates and took a job working in their offices until he saved up enough to travel and pretend to be poor. All of this came out after his death. We also found out that he's never ridden a horse or shot a gun lol. But he was into cars and trying to pick up women in bars.
>>25248797>He's never relied on or used government assistance because when he needed money he just called up his family or one of his school mates and took a job working in their offices until he saved up enough to travel and pretend to be poor. All of this came out after his death.Schizo fantasy
>>25246887>>25246892
>>25248797>We also found out that he's never ridden a horse or shot a gun lol. Gonna need sauce on that. I find it hard to believe someone who grew up in Tennessee never fired a gun.
>>25248823nope and I think at least one of his wives came from a wealthy family as well>>25248911the underage girl he ran off to mexico with, who he based all the horse riding and shooting on, that was all her, she confirmed that he did not ride or shoot.
>>25248932McCarthy worked in a an auto parts shop very early in his career but did not work anything after. Nor did he take support from his family. He wasn't on speaking terms with them. That's where Suttree's family life came from. You're just making shit up
>>25248935Yeah, I'm where you got that info from
>>25248941>Yeah, I'm where you got that info fromAsking
He was just a lazy Irishman
I'm in the middle of Suttree and its pretty good
>>25248649Dunning kruger retard
>>25250617Don't sign your posts. You know better then post it. I know you will not, retard.
>>25250617>midwits accusing others of limited knowledgeKek
Didn't he go on Oprah?I don't think this guy was as pure as you or he pretended.
>>25246581>>25246592kinda based ngl
