The Brothers Karamazov has a very progressive take on Orthodox Christianity and kinda shits on the old school "BEGOME ORDODOX" tradition in the Zosima - Ferapont duality.Kinda interesting, so that the stupid critique of Dosto being this reactionary figure goes out of that window.
well russia did go communist kinda makes sense their greatest writer would be woke
>>25246918Bely and Gogol were woke?
He was an atheist pedophile junkie after all.
>>25246930I don’t see the issue with that
Alyosha is cute, CUTE
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>>25246912Why is The Brothers Karamazov so popular with anime fans? Was Дocтoeвcкiй a proto weeb I wonder.
>>25246930Proof out of curiosity?
>>25247537His characters are very "set in stone" or "archetypical", they do seem very animeish, I'm not joking, the first time I read him I got a slight positive anime feels.Nabokov critisized him for that but I like it.
>>25246912After I read the book there was a foreword I read that had some very cynical takes on the characters and themes of the book going so far as calling Alyosha an idiot and the other two basically scumbags.I found it hard to blame Symerdyakov for what he did, Alyosha was a good lad, Ivan was a bitch who got fever at the worst possible time and forgot about telling the court of the murder weapon which would have freed his brother and Dmitry was a bit of a retard and while he didn't kill his father his actions indirectly caused the death of the young boy or at least that's the implication I got from it and his punishment was basically deserved for being a cunning brute and wastrel.
>>25247674Whose foreword was it?I kinda wanna read it now.>I found it hard to blame Symerdyakov for what he didMurder is wrong.
>>25247729He was the bastard child of a rape raised by a cruel buffoon father and had to watch his three brothers go off and live in luxury and freedom.David McDuff did the foreword, I tried to find a link or transcript but to no avail.
>>25247651>picrelThey’re brothers, anon.Also, I see it, all of Dostoevsky’s characters serve their ideological purpose, and are often somewhat theatrical.
Orthodox monastic works from antiquity throughout the middle ages shit on the begome orthodogz take
>>25246912I think Dostoevsky defends the works of monks (unlike Tolstoy in his later writing) but shows that providing compassion and love to the public is more central to the faith to strict fasts and prayer rules. Mysticism is still pretty prevalent in the Orthodox Church though. I feel like there are modern saints who preach Zosima’s message but still maintain the asceticism of Ferapont
>>25247801Ofcourse, but Zosima even included science and rationality in his takes, I assume that some backward monks still jump on the "It's Demons" bandwagon ASAP
>>25247810for example the papist rippergers six chaos gods of sodomy as he described them on tucker
>>25247810I know what you mean - I recently read ‘The Gurus, the Young Man and Elder Paisios’ and it was just 300 pages of demonic attacks (dude was probably just undiagnosed schizo).
>>25246912When you read Dostoyevsky's biography you realize he wasn't even very religious. He didn't go to church and he didn't like priests. He also had doubts about of the existence of God until his last few days. And he was not a conservative at all, he criticized revolutions sure, but he considered himself a "Russian socialist" which was a political movement he created.
>>25247883From what I have read is that he was fairly religious, but in a "healthy" way.
>>25246912>>25247495>>25247528>>25247651Nice. Post more.
>>25246927spbp
>>25246912This is quite logical considering that Dostoevsky was a Slavophile, and Slavophiles considered dogmas to be secondary; for them, the most important thing was the Russian people and their connection with God and the Tsar.
>>25247651Requesting that copypasta of an anon imagining a TBK's anime opening
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>>25248570Huh, so I wasn't the only one that got anime vibes. No wonder he is so popular.
>>25248792These anime pictures convinced me to read Dosto after all. Looks fun.
>>25249734It is 'fun' as well as 'deep'.
>>25246912If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
>>25249812There’s this visual novel called the house in Fata Morgana and the protagonist of that game reminds me of how Alyosha is depicted in this art, this character is also the youngest of three brothers well, not really because she (the protagonist) is an intersex troon and I suppose it has religious themes in it too. I wasn’t really a huge fan of it but if it catches your interest, check it out.
>>25250416Id check it out if it wasn't for the part in the spoiler
chat imagine Grushenka nude, candlelight illumination
Why do retards use novels to shaper their worldview? they are literal strawmen situations that the author made up and made evolve according to his own ideas.
>>25251378TBK shills a very vanilla wholesome message.
>>25251378Only women, or women minded individuals.
