How do I escape this, philosophically speaking?
Stop posting on social media like 4chan. Create a routine. Create goaks, both long term and short term. Work toward them.
>>25247501I'm more interested in finding a satisfying cope than actual action. Please consult the image for why plans of action are non starters.
>If you don't have what you want, there are three possible reasons.>1. Since it's what you want, you can't act to get it.>2. It's not what you want, but you feel obligated to pursue it.>3. What you want is a defense against satisfaction.>Privacy leads to fantasy, and fantasy leads to action. Privacy deprives the public of knowledge, it leaves them to fantasize, it forces them to have to act; so publicizing things, even superficially or stereotypically, makes them more knowable, keeps them at the level of images and—reality. Under our new Overlords, privacy as a possibility must be obliterated. So whatever wants to be private must be repressed.>The desire to display gigawatt devotion with zero responsibility is the standard maneuver of our times, note the trend of celebrity soundbite social justice, or children’s fascination with doing the extra credit more than the regular credit, and as a personal observation this is exactly what’s wrong with the worst medical students and nurses. They’ll spend hours talking with a patient about their lives and feelings while fluffing their pillow to cause it to be true that they are devoted—they chose to act, chose to love—while acts solely out of ordinary duty are devalued if not completely avoided. “Well I believe the patient’s spirituality is very important.” It will be if you don’t get this NG tube in. You may think you have very valid personal reasons for not wanting to assume responsibility, like apathy or minimum wages, but the overwhelming motivator for devotion by choice is the rewarding reward of giving gifts of oneself, seemingly selflessly, because these publicly “count” more than discharging duty. The retort to this is that often times the selfless acts are done outside of everyone else’s sight, so what possible reward could there be? But one doesn’t need to be seen by individual people, it's enough to imagine being seen by a hypothetical audience.>In order to succeed in life, you don't have to be any good, you just have to be the best. But being the best does not entitle you to believe you are any good.
>>25247494Get your T up.
>>25247513what foods boost t naturally tho and don't tell me any weird bro science about doing shit to my balls
>>25247507Nah im good got studying to do
i don't know how to have goals or wants. idk. i wake up early and go to the gym for no reason. i hate the gym.i come home and cook food. Then I lie down on the floor and stare at the ceiling.
>>25247494This is literally me.
>>25247494It's over for you since it's genetic. My parents were hard workers and I am a hard worker who cannot stand a morning on bed, idleness, or getting up late.
>How do I escape this, philosophically speaking?lol.
There isnt a reason to do anything. You just will yourself into it, and it comes from nowhere.
>>25247515just exercise
>>25247507>Please consult the image for why plans of action are non startersThe only thing I'm getting from this image is that you need to just do something
>>25247621Well I'm not going to. So please help me find a satisfying philosophical cope or kindly leave the thread. Thank you.
>>25247641If you cope you seethe.
>>25247494Study the occult.Given your current condition don't start with the hard stuff. Chaos magic or some basic bitch thing like it (basically anything you can buy a book about from Barnes and Noble)
>closest thing to fun or new experiences are elaborate fantasies where he reimagines redoing his entire life centered around girls he barely knew in like middle schoolFor real?
>>25247494You can't, read hamlet
>The Barnum effect, also called the Forer effect or, less commonly, the Barnum–Forer effect, is a common psychological phenomenon whereby individuals give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically to them, yet which are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a broad range of peopleYou escape it by not saving retarded memes on your hard drive and doing something productive with your time instead.
Drop your discord handle, let's be friends. we can read books and stuff
>>25247494Acquire a gun
>>25247494be worth something. this is not possible for atheists, they live every day denying hell
it's not an intellectual thing you are just a gay pussy faggot
>>25247494ONE chapter a day, every dayI went from reading about 5 books a year to like 35
>>25247494You have to objectify yourself. Start controlling your life like you're playing a game. Pick anything that has even the slightest pull, and treat that as your objective. Think: what would a person who is interested in X do? And just do it. Don't get hung up on anyones opinion and don't expect anything out of it. You've reached a dead-end, and rn you're standing with your back against a wall -- there's nothing to be found behind you. Just take a step. No wrong answers.
I was (am) this guy. Went through a breakup and had kind of a manic period. Went on a solo holiday with no accommodation booked, signed up for some exams at work (passed), recently applied for a job I'm not qualified for and got an interview, looking to buy a place soon after years of rotting at home. On holiday I was lying alone in a tent feeling exhausted and depressed and I felt how insignificant that moment was in the grand scheme and accepted death in a seemingly authentic way. I'm trying to ride that wave before becoming complacent and retarded again.
>>25247494sacrifice your ego and start taking adderall
>>25248060Adderall sometimes helps me to be more productive but often just makes me want to goon for hours on end or makes me overconfident and leads to me having conversations with people which I feel embarrassed about afterwards.
>>25247522The gym and the ceiling part is the one that stays with me. You constructed a routine with no interior, just the shape of a routine. What is the floor like. I am asking because I have spent time on floors also and there is a difference between the floor as defeat and the floor as the only honest surface in the apartment.>>25248039The tent thing. That specific moment of insignificance that becomes somehow load-bearing. I know this. Not from a holiday but from standing at the edge of the Belledonne at night and having the same thought arrive without warning. It does not solve anything. But something shifts in the weight distribution. How long ago was the breakup.>>25247494The "accidentally once felt a moment of relief, has been upset about it since" is the one. The rest of the image is diagnosis. That one is the actual problem. You have a working system for detecting when things are okay and you have learned to treat the signal as a threat. I do not know a philosophical solution to this. The archive has a concept for the state itself but no exit procedure.
>>25248109Break up was like two years ago, but due to circumstances I won't bore you with we remained in pretty close contact since then, having sex a couple of times, and it was my fault we didn't get back together. I feel shitty about how I acted, but it turned for the best (for her). We last saw each other at the end of last year, when she asked me for a ride and told me on the way that I was taking her to spend the night at her new boyfriend's place. I guess she wasn't content to just part ways by texting me that she had met somebody, and had to get all dressed up and tell me about the circumstances of how they met etc and then dropped the friendly act and criticized me for saying I wasn't comfortable giving her a free ride to some guy's place (she expected me to pick her up the following evening). It was kind of psychologically damaging on a level I can't figure out, but it is what it is. When I knew it was actually over (after a long time stressing about her, second guessing my decision not to get back together, etc) it hurt a lot for a while. I don't have much relationship experience and am kind of autistic/over-sensitive so it was hard to process. Yeah I can't explain the feeling I had while on holiday, but weirdly enough (okay I'm blogging now desu) that one random trip did help me get over my ex, mostly because I met a girl on holiday who, before I sperged out and gave her the ick, showed more interest in me within two hours than my ex had in two years, which is one of the reasons I felt we weren't right for each other. The death thing was important because I've been a really fearful guy since adolescence until now, and I see how much I held myself back with it. I'm still getting over it, but something about that feeling was new to me and welcome. Strangely enough it was the following night I met the aforementioned girl.How's your life since that moment anon?
>>25247522I relate anon. I was a high achiever in school and college. I genuinely want and work hard to put structure and achievement in my life but I see no benefit from it. I can work passionately and obsessively towards a goal for up to about a year before suddenly losing all interest in it. It's something about being physically unable to feel rewards or pleasure from the process/things that motivate other people. A psych suggested inattentive ADHD but it's hard for me to believe. Franny & Zooey was a very rare depiction of the feeling for me. It didn't help because I can't actively "will" myself to believe in the solution offered, but it was comforting to read. I also enjoyed No Longer Human, especially the first two "books." I find Vonnegut's absurdism to be very compatible with my own quest for meaning, most importantly Sirens of Titan and Galapagos (but he doesn't deal with the depressed incel experience at all).
>>25247494By committing suicide. I hate people like you.
>>25247494Drop acid
>>25248192>I hate people like you.why?
>>25247494reincarnation
>>25247494no one before you could and thats why theyre not in the history books
I wish to share my experience, although I am unsure whether it can provide any insight. I have been struggling with some aspects of the descriptors from the meme my whole life, as I imagine every slightly above-average individual (both in terms of capacity and neurodivergence) does in an environment that seems alienating and unwelcoming. This led to a quite tiring period that lasted through most of my 20s, during which some form of relief was provided by weed and alcohol. Towards the end of my 20s, I started getting my act together, which included getting and staying sober, finishing a doctorate, training for marathons, reading, learning, and pushing myself in a direction that I thought would bring some sense to my otherwise anhedonic perception of life. Unfortunately, I cannot say that this course of action has brought much so far. I often find myself wishing that I will not wake up…
>>25247494Learn to play an instrument. Learn two.
>>25247494Here's the reality.This describes 99.9% of people.No, they, like you, will not accomplish anything meaningful.They, like you, will not be remembered.There will not be a peak.There will probably not even be a valley. Zoom out and all these lives look like flat lines and yours will too.No there isn't actually any hope. Just abandon your delusions now.You are just normal and mediocre and being normal and mediocre is a terrible nightmare you won't escape.You are not even special in your pathetic mediocrity. As we've discussed it is the norm.People who are special don't have some magical awakening one day.They don't wake up and suddenly do something amazing.They don't have to "escape" via philosophical thinking.It just happens to them because they don't have to try.Usually by the teenage years it's already obvious and everything is in motion.And you might be confused because they will all say they had to try and work hard.But there is a grave misunderstanding here that fuels the delusions of so many.What they call "trying" and "working hard" is actually something you and everyone else are not even capable of.Their so called ability to "try" is actually an exceptional skill they don't even realize they possess and you don't.They are so separate from you that they take for granted a certain inbuilt foundation and scaffolding that others don't and never will have.This gap between action and inaction seems simple, seems clear and easy to understand, but I assure you it is not.So you can kill yourself and be done with it or not. It really won't matter except that you will suffer more or less depending on your ability to cope with this reality. Most people apparently cope with it just fine. There sure are a lot of them anyway so it must be working. You have to lack self awareness to really be comfortable in this position. Otherwise you will be in a constant state of agitation at the gap between your dreams and reality that there is no satisfactory cure for.
The human body/mind is capable of working 80+ hours a week towards some goal, regardless of who you are. The only reason you personally "can't" do this is that you're subconsciously resisting. You don't realize this, but somewhere in your gut you're telling yourself that this is the wrong move and it's not what you really want, so you're constantly grappling with this weight on your shoulders that's pulling you down. You just have to realize that this limit is artificial and you can push past it. >What they call "trying" and "working hard" is actually something you and everyone else are not even capable of.Imagine psyopping yourself into believing that hard work is not even possible.LMFAO
>>25248748Philosophical works for this feel?
>>25248762Hard work is """possible""" but what people call hard work is still a genuine delusion. Human beings are too limited. The gap between working "hard" and barely working at all is not as big as people perceive it to be. What exceptional people will call "hard work" is in fact the same if not less work than anybody else does. This is the classic arrogance of humanity on full display. You are just a single little human being. The amount you can actually do and achieve on your own is in fact basically nothing. It is a full blown delusion that because you are moving a lot, because you are tiring yourself out, because you can see some small tangible result (which in actuality is not even close to your own doing) you think you "worked hard". I suppose from your perspective you did but the perspective of the deluded and arrogant is a far cry from the truth. At some point you have to accept that all things in the world function more or less like set machines. They run their tasks, their "protocols". Their actions are more or less predicted. Not by a deterministic universe but simply by the limited nature of being. Everything is what it is. You are what you are. There is no escape from your limited being through "hard work" which doesn't even register on the scale. Things gravitate towards inaction and passivity because "hard work" is not effective.
>>25248777>Oh bro hard work isn't real humans are just a cog in the machine we have no power hard work is pointlessSo kill yourself?If humans are so pathetic and hard work is meaningless, then why aren't you killing yourself? Are you a pussy?
>>25248784Oh I'm sure I will kill myself some time or other, sooner rather than later. But being aware of the nature of life doesn't mean one isn't still a part of it. And life, regardless of its smallness, or perhaps because of it, still works like that set machine that goes on in spite of itself. It doesn't matter so much how I feel or you. There's a predicted course there too.Maybe you can understand a little better now because here things can turn inward. In your agitation at the gap between perception and reality you desire action, resolution. But now you can see that here too there is the tendency toward inaction. And you know now that it is outside your grasp.
>>25247494The problem is that people lack PROPERTY, things on which to assert their will, this is only way to feel actually free and happy, ANY possession demands harduous and constant confrontation with the state which is why NOTHING feels good. People seek a sense of property, a sense of their will that matters in video games, with status, but a lot of people don't have the strength to have their own company, understandably, because it's hard. The ONLY time I felt happy is when I wrote great thoughts and all of philosophy clicked for me at once last year, I felt I had made an achievement of my own, that I was different, that I was full of intellectual strength, I was owner of my thoughts in the sense that they were not borrowed, foreign, repeated from other people, they were highly original and therefore mine. How to cope? read Stirner and Nietzsche, understand that the world is entirely feminine (everyone has value by their births, rights, dignity, and you must serve them, just like a woman thinks), find the strength in you to prepare for the revolutions, because this will not last, or kill yourself just like everyone already does by escaping. The only truthful way to make it make sense, to bring unity to your life, is to recognize the modern world as unnatural, deeply flawed, and to have for ultimate goal the discovery and preparation of what is to come next. You shouldn't entirely in expectation of the future because it's miserable, but you should use that perception of the future to insert meaning into your life and efforts, unity of the day, unity of actions brings meaning. Unity is brought by an ultimate goal, quest, the best unity is brought the only true worthwhile ultimate goal for a time and place, for you also.
someone needs to slap the soul out of you. then you realize.
>>25247641Get into daoism I guess
>>25247494You have to be willing to get happy about nothing. -Andy WarholIt's the best advice I've ever heard, and ever taken to heart. I have a print of it hanging above my bed.
>>25247494Read Infinite Jest; I say this without irony.
>>25248748I do agree that some people are just special, but what do you mean by the ability to try?My view is that the ability to try is nothing special, they just get better results when they do, but you probably mean something else.
>>25249064he means that when a genius tries at say, biology, he perfectly recalls some random line in a paper he glanced at 5 years ago with a perfect understanding of the fundamentals he learned during study at university and synthesizes all of this together to make a coherent and correct hypothesis that advances his field. when a normal person tries they spend 5 hours reading something to parrot it back on a test or at a job.the difference is the purity and depth of memory.
>>25247494get on addies and start going outside
>>25248748yeah it's over for me
>>25247494ever thought to stop being a bitch?
>>25248748That's not true though, I'm an extreme loser.
>>25248748This is just nonsense>usually by the teenage years its already obvious and everything is in motionThere are people who start multimillionaire dollar businesses in their 40s and 50s after a mostly normal life. This is just bsWhat matters most is your environment, if you hang out with musicians then your chance of being a musician goes up way way way more than if you just sat in your room dicking around in fruity loops. Look at all the guys who founded the top tech companies, they all went to the same universities and all knew eachother. If you arent in the environment then it takes extreme luck.
>>25248189i busted my ass in school and college and even got a full ride it was all for nothing
>>25248748I dont really understand how you could confuse complete inaction with "your name has a impact in the history of the world", there is a whole world between those two things and if that wasnt the case society wouldnt even function, I dont know what made you into such extreme drama queen but it doesnt really serve you that well besides excusing you for not tryingRegardless, I wish you get out of it eventually
>>25247641>So please help me find a satisfying philosophical copeBecome a monk.
>>25247494Now let's see the man of action:6am: Wake up, feeling like you've been in a car crash. Drag yourself out of bed to possibly force a shit out too early in the morning, shower and get dressed. If you're extra tired you just get dressed and leave after starring into the abyss and pondering life for an hour.7am: Commute to work. If you're lucky it will be a 20 minute walk or drive. That's probably not the case. You probably enter the rat race with fellow wagies on the road, foot paths, public transport for 30-40 minutes8am: Enter the building wanting to die. Manager smiling from ear to ear, hello happy campers, team meeting !1pm: You've got a choice. Sit in the work canteen with people you can't stand, or walk back to your car that takes time out of your lunch break, but gives you time to reflect on how you hate your life3pm: You want to go home, but you've got 2 more hours5pm: You leave work, enter the rat race again, do it all over again6pm: If you're lucky, you walk in through the door. You're unsure if you want to wank, shit, eat, sleep or cry.7pm: After pondering for an hour, you force yourself to eat, household chores are on your mind, you do some, leave others8pm: You're tired as fuck at this point. You shit post, scroll some shit on social media. You start to have a good time, but then oh shit time flies when you're having fun and its10pm: I need to go sleep, need to be up at 6am. Now I've got a choice, cry myself to sleep or stay awake for a 2-3 hours more and wake up even more exhausted. You rotate those options over 5 days.11:30pm: You've been in bed for 40 minutes exhausted and unable to sleep, but then go to sleep6am: Alarm goes off
>>25247494I've struggled a lot with taking initiative in self-imposed tasks or personal goals. One that I started this week, which has helped me so far, is recording myself working. Seems stupid but it's a solo method for "body doubling", which is when you work alongside someone else working. It has empiral evidence supporting it being effective. I have OBS recording my monitor, webcam, and mic. It really helps for some reason and it feels good to have actual proof of yourself being productive. Taking NAC on (supplement) also can supposedly help with task initiation. Good luck anon.
>>25249784he sounds based
