>permanently destroys russian literatureHow did that happen?
There was nothing to destroy.
>>25249705What do Russians read in school
>Anglo translations dry up because no publisher wants to promote soviet literature except for Dr ZhivagoNo shit. Without Garnett no one in the west would have known about 19th Century Russian lot either except for Tolstoy since he knew a couple that promoted him
Gee, maybe when you murder the poets, novelists, playwrights, and composers for not confirming to socialist realism, it chills artistic determination.
>>25249709>in the westThey were all translated first into French
>permanently destroys european literatureHow did that happen?
>>25249716This. Commies hate art, they only like propaganda.
>>25249723You think Shakespeare and Dante were not propaganda?
>>25249721I didn't know there was a big lake in the middle of Europe.
>>25249705State censorship. Even the dissident fags were garbage because their entire raison d’etre was to shit in GenSek’s pants o algo.t. Russian
>>2524972119th century literature and plays were just smut really. Soft porno and very horny overall. People be horny. (Russia excepted because of state censorship.)
>>25249760Is Platonov well received in POCCNR? I know he is a dissident writer but I really enjoy his books.
>>25249729Let him cook boys
>>25249705>permanently destroys russiaftfy
>>25249785kino covers
>>25249705People don't quite understand how horrible that state was - the mix of a prison camp, a barn and a barrack.Before Stalin's death it was just a Cambodia-style bloodbath, where all societal institutions were destroyed, entire social classes slaughtered and architectural heritage demolished.Everything was purged, common people were relegated down to cattle, and out of it was a new species created - a soviet citizen.The revolutionary metamorphosis in Russia may be compared with how Byzantium was invaded and transformed by the Ottomans.
Destroy your own culture to own the libs
>>25249705Literature has always been bourgeois nonsense. The working class and people who actually contribute to society have no time for time wasting sentimental bullshit stories
>>25249928>where all societal institutions were destroyed, entire social classes slaughtered Where's the bad?
>>25249716This fucker was 100 percent on board for all the mass killings. Served him right when the NKVD showed up to his house one night.
>>25249928Stalin industrialized the state and it got a man into space shortly after he died
>>25250005Oh, and murdered millions of people. Forgot about that.But still .. space, and all that.
>>25249960why do communists salivate at the thought of mass killings then act surprised when people aren't communists?
>>25249729So maybe the difference is propaganda for a good society versus for a bad one
>>25249953I suppose this is probably a bad joke but they did they and do now. The English working class used to read Kipling, now they scream for Nbongo to kick the ball.>>25249960Massive dsygenics, like in China and Cambodia.
>>25249999It’s not my station to question a man of quads, but I need a source.
>>25249705>permanently destroys russian literature>How did that happen?More like Russia had an exceptional century of literature in the 19th Century and returned to its baseline of mediocracy in the 20th.>>25249928>The revolutionary metamorphosis in Russia may be compared with how Byzantium was invaded and transformed by the Ottomans.Name one important piece of Byzantine art or literature made after 1096.
>>25249705>maybe the bourgeoisie is useful after all.
>>25250177>murdered millionsto save billions
>>25250238I over-exaggerated. He wrote a propaganda book about his experience as a journalist attached to a red army unit during the invasion of Poland so presumably he was alright with reds murdering large numbers of people. Perhaps that isn’t enough to condemn a man to a gruesome end in a basement. I retract my hotheaded statement.
>>25250304>and returned to its baseline of mediocracyNo, it fucking disappeared, completely. Russia went from producing literary titans to producing absolutely nothing. The USSR destroyed a vibrant artistic tradition.
>>25249953>actually contribute to societySociety without art isn't worth living in. Hence why people prefer living in the west to living in the "worker's paradise".
>>25250566>Russians stop writing in 1921
>>25249953That's why all the Soviet citizens, reduced to economic slaves units whose lives revolved around working, eating, and fucking to produce the next generation of worker drones with no purpose in life but work, were so happy in this utopia they drank themselves to death. The truth is, the Soviet model of society - where men and women are stripped of art, even of smut, of creative thought, of religion, of any possibility for creative scientific innovation - where every instinct and drive outside of eating and fucking and obeying is considered a schizophrenic bourgeois delusion - where normal emotional reactions and feelings and sense of personal self worth and dignity, any impulse toward independent ideas and individual expression, are annihilated through education to make you nothing more but an obedient working good girl and boy - is the worst nightmare that had happened to mankind. It's man turned into a robot and stripped of every form of dignity and everything that makes humans actually human. An experiment into turning millions of people into NPCs.The problem is that the repercussions actually continue to this day in Eastern Europe. Estonians are blind to how much of their state actually resembles the Soviet Union in feeling, acting, and thinking, with the idea of Soviet Citizen being replaced by the idea of an Ideal Estonian. They're blind to the fact that their ultra fascism is just another shade of Soviet totalitarianism: that it is the same totalitarianism with a nationalist aesthetics, and that they feel into it because this /pol/ dementia is the next closest thing to communism: the thing they grew up in, and the only form of societal organization they actually know. This same error happened in Russia, with disastrous results, and the same errors continues to taint all of Eastern Europe. The problem is that the people living there have been so golemized by 70 years of Soviet thinking and education they fail to see how they're eternally recreating Soviet forms of existence in different, superficially democratic forms. In Estonia any dissident voice is quieted, police is spying on the population, only a strict slice of Estonian literature not critical of the regime is allowed, there's a focus on military spending at the exclusion of everything else, focus on sports, kids are trained to march, there are military Russia styled parades, portraits of presidents in official buildings, very emotionally poor education, focus on collectivism and what can you do for the state rather than individualism, authority figures like teachers and state officials are worshiped and given a higher than human status, education as repetition instead of creative thinking and innovation, extreme hate toward religious and sexual and creative forms of expression, extreme hate of minorities. Even the Estonian hate for Russia is nothing more but the transformed Soviet hate for America. Too bad Estonians are too inbred to see this obvious fact.
>>25249705under the urss they literally produced their best films, music and poetry but yeah lets say they killed literature and art because no writer was as good as tolstoi and dostoyevski lmao.to this day it doesn't exists a single country, communist or capitalist, who spawned writers on the same tier as dosto and tolstoi frequently.
>>25250566Russia stopped producing literary titans since 1900, anon. Sorry for the truth nuke.They started to produce cinema titans tho.
>>25249735Lake Geneva
>>25249735>doesn't know about the Swizerlake and the Gulf of Yugoslaviafuckin american education
>>25250773>best films, music and poetryname three of each
>>25249940>ownStalin was Georgian.
>>25250571People prefer living in the west because West has higher wages owing to unequal distribution of outcomes of labour and resources compared to rest of the world. There is nothing more to it than that.
>>25250845Have you ever been to the turdworld?
>>25250183Shifting goalposts and using vague unspecific terminology . Typical capitalist dishonesty and sophistry. Eliminating upper classes is objectively good no matter how you look at it. Modern europe wouldn't exist without the systematic elimination of nobility as a class. >>25250204>DysgenicsSpook
>>25250849I live there
>>25250805Andrei Rublev, Symphony of Sirens and About That by Maiakovski.
>>25250852>entire social classes This would imply mass killing, there is nothing dishonest about thatCommunists want me dead, why should I sympathise with them?
>>25250863If you are actually upper class then you shouldn't sympathize with us.
>>25250870The funny thing is, they don't anyway. The upper classes already maintain their rule through violence or threat of violence. They accuse communists of "mass killings" but their entire system is built on murdering anyone who threatens their power.
>>25250870I'm white and middle class, which marks me for death in your gay little fantasy
>>25250878See this is the problem with Marxists, you refuse to live by your own principlesClass warfare isn't meant be one sided, go out and win your battles
>>25250835he destroyed that too
>>25250882>Class warfare isn't meant be one sided, When did any Marxist say otherwise? Nobody expects the existing structures to just roll over and allow for a better world to replace it.
Do Marxists really think that anyone is going to fall for the meet the new boss same as the old boss trick again?
>>25250893And nobody expects Marxists to do anything at all
>>25250931I accept your concession
>>25250933When's the revolution happening again?
>>25250855Well maybe you can't see it from your vantage but your countries suck because the people are corrupt and stupid and the culture is shit. That's why the first world is nice, it has (had) much better people, culture, and things worked and it wasn't just a race to the bottom of corruption. Not because we lucked out with muh resources or what the fuck ever.
>>25250948>because the people are corrupt and stupid and the culture is shit. Bullshit rooted in essentialism. Retroactively debunked by Marx and others.
>>25249716>>25249928>>25249940But the mass killings happened in the 1920s-1930s. Surely by 1960s-1970s they could've recovered??
>>25250963They killed or exiled all the aristocrats who were the only Russians capable of creating art. Communists do this every single time.
>>25249705The Tsars were horrible rulers.Slavs have an amazing tolerance for suffering and even they had enough and decided Communism was worth a try.
>>25250973How is this relevant to my question, you low IQ mongrel?
>>25250967>They killed or exiled all the aristocratsHello? Based Department?
about this massive dick. will it be drawn on him as he passes out, or is it merely part of him?
>>25250199How is Shakespeare depicting Joan of Arc as a slut in league with the devil, propaganda for a good society?
WWI was started by and for capitalist imperialism and it did enormous harm to the art and literature of every country in the west, not just Russia, which continued to place great emphasis on literature.
>>25250959Haha fuck you. Dumb piece of shit. It's not "essentialism." Your countries and culture can be good. They were once. Now they're shit. The people are shit and corrupt. So you get a corrupt society.>It's not my faaaultYes, you are a corrupt, stupid, lazy piece of shit, so your culture is too. Stay the fuck away from my country with your toxic irresponsibility and whining.
>>25250973It wasn't "the will of the people" you dumb piece of shit it was a tiny group of aristocrats who seized power. >>25250985Perhaps you don't understand. A good tree produces good fruit. A good culture produces good propaganda. If Shakespeare is propaganda, it is good propaganda. >>25251001Really. Pretty sure the non communist countries went on to produce some really great art and literature afterwards. Only the communist ones produced nothing but shit.
>>25249705>destroys russian literatureThe soviet union with their state enforced "socialist realism" take on art would have killed any literature but by WWI they didn't have much to destroy anymore aside from the Russian offshoot of symbolism. Dosto had already started the work of destroying Russian literature anyway. >>25250773>best filmsCinema was virtually inexistent in Russia before the soviets were a thing, and soviet cinema was pathetically mediocre, especially all the goofy movies linked to the state. The one director usually set apart as great was a dissident that faced enormous difficulties there and ended up fucking off (yes that's Tarko, Eisenstein is at best a name in the history of montage). >musicSoviet sponsored music was horrendous until WWII. Music conservatories were purged to hell and back (plus 90% of director positions were swept by Jews in a hostile takeover, then the opposite happened and the state goyified music purging even the few worthy Jews in there). Opera and ballet were only rehabilitated after a period of being discredited as bourgeois. The few notable Russian composers were dissidents whose music was suppressed like Rachmaninov or Prokofiev, or people that went to live in Paris. Shostakovich is basically the only talented man that sold out to commies, and even he is finally being recognised as overrated (to internationally promote at least one soviet court composer). >poetry Hahahahaha.
>>25251066Shakespeare is a great writer but his propaganda is not really convincing. Anyway, name some shit novels or even short stories of the USSR you have read
>>25249718Yeah. Was about to say.
>>25249953>Literature has always been bourgeois nonsense.>>25250618>That's why all the Soviet citizens, reduced to economic slaves units whose lives revolved around working, eating, and fucking to produce the next generation of worker drones with no purpose in life but work, were so happy in this utopia they drank themselves to death.They were drinking themselves to death because they didn't have a consumer culture.But people have a bizarre narrative about the USSR. A lot of their education was actually inherited from the Tsarist system, like a lot of STEM textbooks were updated Tsarist books until the 1960s. In literature, they taught socialists like Mayakovsky and Gorky, but also a lot of really classicist stuff. Lots of the early Bolshevik elite were obsessed with Russian high culture from the imperial period (which was inspired by Western bourgeois customs) and got their children trained classically. People speak about Pushkin and Doestoevsky because people were taught it in schools. Pushkin became a truly national Russian poet literally at the peak of Stalinism in which everyone was taught it in school for a first time in the country's history. Like the canonical collection of works of Pushkin with Gorky as an editor literally comes as the same time as the Soviet constitution, it was Stalinist culture, communist culture. The whole Russian civil religion was manufactured on Stalin's orders.>It's man turned into a robot and stripped of every form of dignity and everything that makes humans actually human. An experiment into turning millions of people into NPCs.My hot take is that obviously we don't have real art anymore. Like the concept of art in general has completely crashed, and people don't have a concept of it like 19th century people had. It has become a profane consumerist / entertainment experience now because everything solid melts into the air. I'm influenced by Marxism in that regard but with the distinction that I don't believe in any magical Marxist or communist art either (trvth: socialist realism is bourgeois). Now it's a way to escape boredom or socialize (which is not how Romantic nationalists or socialist revolutionaries in the 19th century would've seen it). It doesn't depend on what the authors put in manifestos. Classical bits are treated as all the same now. People also don't anticipate how more and more things will be generated by LLMs, from pictures to texts to dialogues in the internet to ads. Also the most Russian high culture has borderline no relationships to the cultural consumption of Russians today, even educated ones that much, Russian popular culture is mostly dumb YouTube videos and rap music like in America (following America). All that trad intellectual shit there is fake, they should put Putin's daughter in charge and have her dress up like a character from The Matrix, that would be more up to date with the 21st century, someone who gets resultshttps://youtu.be/joQIQh6xeHs
>>25250789glorified pond
>>25251059>Just change your culture bro>Just stop having poor thoughts broThis shit is exactly why Historical Materialism should be taught in schoofrom 6th grade onwards. Or you get posts like this.
>>25251512It is taught, idiot. It's the default idea in modern culture.
>>25249953What an ironic thing to say considering Marx Lenin and Engels spent most of their lives writing nonsenses while children died in coal mines none of them were proletariat either>>25250852its not objectively good to get rid of the people with the most human capital in society even Lenin as dumb as he was disagreed with you and noted the need for specialists and intelligent people to manage the economy even Stalin kidnapped prominent nazi scientists instead of killing them because you need intelligent people for their skills
>>25249705how did a dictatorship supress creativity?
>>25249960fuck off
>>25249705It really takes a special kind of retard to claim your philosophy is scientific yet ignore all the empirical evidence that it failed. But I guess they don't think it failed evidenced by the commies that shill for the USSR.
>>25251568A single essay from Marx >>> whole of time wasting bourgeois canon. Go cry to your sob stories about whores and dysgenic freaks while people who matter write inspirational work about bringing actual change.
>>25251839Restrict what is allowed to be written about and harshly punish anyone who goes against this policy. Often there's no clearly stated rules about what is or isn't acceptable, so artists live in constant fear of crossing the invisible line and thrown into a work camp or simply shot in a ditch. It creates a chilling effect on artistic expression, and people stop writing or flee the country to write what they want. The only writers who remain are sycophants who write propaganda for the state. It's not an environment that promotes creativity and gives artists very few options for how to make a living, so the result is not only all the skilled artists leaving, but fewer and fewer people becoming artists afterward. It kills the artistic tradition of a culture.
>>25249953>Literature has always been bourgeois nonsenseThen clearly you're on the wrong board.Off you fuck.
>>25251883lol nobody who actually lived in the misery that is communism actually agrees with you. They would much rather read actual literature. Turns out when you reduce life to nothing but labor and struggle, it makes people wonder why they are bothering to live at all.
>>25251900>lol nobody who actually lived in the misery that is communism actually agrees with you>malnourished 70 IQ groids have shit tasteno shit
>>25251900>reduce life to nothing but labor and struggleBut enough about capitalism....
>>25251898Oh. Thank you, that's a good post, but I was just being incredulous that OP had to ask.
>>25251934Said the NEET zoomer trust-fund baby who supports communism ...
>>25251942>anyone who is against capitalism is a rich, corporate fatcat
>>25249705Because that was the point.
>>25251568People engaging in productive intellectual labour are necessary to any healthy society. People who leech off of the labour of others can be easily removed.
>>25251873kek. 'scientific' but ignore the results of every 'experiment' and just double down on what you're already doing which isn't working. >>25251908You had white Germans, Cubans, etc risking death to escape their utopias
Can we just seriously mortally threaten richfags and politicians who overstep their boundaries without resorting to gay fantasy economics?
>>25252467>You had white Germans, Cubans, etc risking death to escape their utopiasNTA but shit argument. Adopting capitalism did not stop flight from eastern Europe. It only opened up the valve which means it would have happened irrespective of communism (which was not proper communism anyway since under those conditions the idea of "escaping to richer nations" wouldn't exist because the very concept of "rich nations" is extraneous in communism).Plenty of negroes and Indians risk deadly immigrant boats all the time even today with no gommunism
literature spontaneously decided to never produce anything good after the 90s it wasn't the soviet union's fault
