Just bought this as a White man with no previous exposure to religious texts outside of the abrahamic. What can I expect?
>>25250021lmfao did you get proselytized by hare krishnas? that's so fucking funny>what can I expectlots of gods you won't recognize bearing messages you've already heard
>>25250021There was this meme post where Anon said he couldn't take it seriously as Vishnu will talk much about being virtuous and not lusting blood, but then immediately later exterminate 1 trillion people, can't find said image however.
>>25250021>His Divine Grace Catholics don’t even call the Pope anything like that.
>>25250021>Just bought this as a White man with no previous exposure to religious texts outside of the abrahamic. What can I expect?https://files.catbox.moe/iis961.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/ota049.mp4
>>25250386>https://files.catbox.moe/iis961.mp4>https://files.catbox.moe/ota049.mp4The Jews have compromised catbox.https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hl4r7https://www.bitchute.com/video/GKUV8gYf5lxI
Serious answer its fine, but the commentary is very tedious and you’re better off just reading the main text, except for the first chapter where it explains what is going on. The BG is quite beautiful even if you don’t buy into its philosophy.
>>25250021If that's the edition you got, you done fucked up. It has an incredibly long and tedious commentary by the founder of the Hare Krishna sect. A nice, short edition is the Oxford Classics one by W.J. Johnson, he explains the basics and has just enough notes so you don't get lost.
>>25250021>Just bought shitty work written by poop people. what can I expect?Idk man
Why not read the whole Mahabharata
>>25251120>poop peoplebro that just reminded me for all the cycle of life death poop stuff in gravity's rainbow has anyone done a hinduistic reading of it?
>>25250069I used to send away for their bibles. I'd tear pages out and leave them under car's wipers while I was stoned. Sort of drive by half hearted prosletysing at one remove. Good times.
>>25250139lol trueThe actual message of it is very jumbled, but the part where Vishnu reveals his true nature is really goddamn amazing and makes reading the Gita worthwhile. Not that it's very long or difficult.
this is the only version you need
>>25250802not OP but I think have a Hare Krishna copy as well (it was in a hotel nightstand next to the Gideon Bible, has an index of ISKCON temples in the back), should I just skip the intro+commentary? I tried reading it high one day but it was very off-putting with how serious it seemed about having to believe every single thing in it or not to bother with it at all.
>>25250139That’s the point of Arjuna’s arrow. You do it because it is natural and your calling and because it is god’s will, duty
>>25251270> should I just skip the intro+commentary?Chuck the whole thing in the bin or donate it desuEven Prabhupada’s translation of the root verses are highly distorted and insert all sorts on devotionalistic, personal, abrahamic-like language that is mostly absent from the actual text, he often uses phrases like “Supreme Personality of Godhead” which occurs nowhere in the actual Gita.Some Iskcon people online cope and say all the bad changes were made by later editors but even in the original 1972 version the translation is highly distorted and sectarian.
An easy intro to the poos, kino cousins war and reflections by Chad Arjuna and Krishna>>25250069this guy didn't read that
>>25251539Op here, I have read like 25 pages and he uses language that sounds extremely christian
>>25250021You are reading about the brothers of your ancestors
>>25251573Yeah, the actual root text of the Gita isn’t like that for the most part except for a few sections which are counterbalanced by more abstract and apophatic descriptions of God elsewhere in the text.You can compare to Sastry’s 1902 translation of Adi Shankara’s Gita commentary here in late-Victorian English, the commentary attached is by the 8th century Advaitin Shankara but you can compare Prabhupada’s translation of the root verses to Sastry’s which just present the translation in a straightforward manner without adding sectarian substitutions and dubious interpolations. https://estudantedavedanta.net/Bhagavad-Gita.with.the.Commentary.of.Sri.ShankaracharyaN.pdfSastry’s translation isn’t perfection but is more or less still reliably indicating what each verse is talking about.
>>25250021>As it is>As it isApparently it's a terrible translation, very biased and fucked up by the ISKCON cult. At least that's what my Slavic country's top Indologists say.
>>25251620It was my way of reading the Gita, with the ISKCON version being so abundantly available. I think all of Prabhupada's interjections in his commentaries where he trashes on Advaita Vedanta interpretations just intrigue me more, in a dialectical way, to alternative ways of dharmic devotion.
>>25251796>I think all of Prabhupada's interjections in his commentaries where he trashes on Advaita Vedanta interpretations just intrigue me more, in a dialectical wayThat’s actually a very good reason *not* to read him, because his arguments are polemical in nature and not serious when analyzed in analytic terms, no academic (or traditional Pandit) outside of the Hare Krishna movement considers him to be worth mentioning as a serious debater or dialectician. If you are interested in more serious dialects and cutting-edge debate in relation to Bhakti theology and metaphysics, the available translations of works by pre-modern Vedantic philosophers like Ramanuja, Vedantadesika, Vyasatirtha, etc is where that is mostly to be found along with some Shaiva Siddhanta works, even in the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition there are earlier authors before Prabhupada who actually argue in an intellectually serious manner like the 16th century Jiva Goswami who has some works translated.If you want an introduction to or overview of traditional Indian Bhakti theology/metaphysics without the modern Christian-missionary style tone and rhetoric of Prabhupada I would recommend reading Ramanuja’s Vedartha Sangraha, a prose monograph of about 200 pages.https://estudantedavedanta.net/Vedartha-Sangraha.pdf
>>25250021Any good history books on the indo European settlement of ancient india? Is it true whitey killed one gorillion jeet subhumans while partaking in sublime philosophy?
>>25252061Or you can read Ramanuja’s Gita-Bhashya, which is distinctly superior to Prabhupada’s (I say this as someone who has read the former in its entirety)https://archive.org/details/wxfw_ramanuja-gita-bhashya-with-translation-by-swami-adidevanand-ramakrishna-mathOr better yet, Madhusudana Saraswati’s masterpiece, the Gudartha Deepika, which integrates Bhakti to such a degree despite being written by an Advaitin and explicitly teaching Advaita metaphysics that it was endorsed and highly praised as an incredible and moving work by pre-modern Guadiya Vaishnava authors.https://estudantedavedanta.net/Bhagavad_Gita_Gudartha_Dipika%20_Gambhirananda.pdf
>>25252076There was an invasion but it wasn't a genocide.
If not As It Is then what version should we read?
>>25252185This one's pretty good
>>25252076There was no such thing as "white people " in 5000 bce
>>25252185Stephen Mitchell
>>25250021The commentary by Eknath Easwaran is the best. Very simple and straightforward. The commentary on the ISKCON As It Is edition is tedious and excessive, and also takes a lot of liberties in interpretation. Also, why tf would you even buy that version when they give them out for free?
>>25252078Thanks for the recommendations
>>25250021Upanishads is better
Have you guys noticed how vedic discussion on this board fell off a cliff ever since indians became a controversial topic in western discourse? Though that might just be because perennialism also became passe in the meanwhile.
>>25250021>poopjeetshttp://www.google.com/search?q=toilet+witches+indiahttp://www.google.com/search?q=codex+pajeethttp://www.amazon.in/s?k=cow+dung+cakeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Pi4-zWJTg
>>25252916Indian culture seemed so cool before they started flooding the English speaking internet and we all experienced what they're really like. Now it's just hard to respect anything affiliated with them at all.
>>25252916idk I have literally no idea what 99% of the stuff is that people talk about in Buddhist/Vedic threads but it seems pretty well thought out when I see it here.
>>25252916>Have you guys noticed how vedic discussion on this board fell off a cliff ever since indians became a controversial topic in western discourse? In any Indian philosophy related thread, around 10-20% of the posts have always been troll posts and its been like that for about 10 years, but if you ignore them and just reply to the genuine posts there is good discussions to be had.The combination of troll posts bumping the thread combined with active discussion by multiple effort-posters is why many eastern religion related threads end up hitting the 300 post bump limit.
>>25253095>ghost in the toiletMax kek
>>25253221It's actually funny how botlike most "India hate" posts are. They've been repeating the same shit again and again for years, like this one, as if it would become true that way. You cannot really tell if it's a retarded 15 year old who just regurgitates verbatim everything he reads on 4chan. Or an actual AI. This is nothing new or out of the ordinary about this though. Whiteoids are racists. They've always been racists. It's just in their shitty nature that everyone else has to bear with.
>>25253350>They've always been racists.Every culture has prejudices including India where Black tourists both from Africa and western countries are routinely disrespected and treated poorly. The idea that whites are uniquely racist is retarded, and in fact studies have shown that Europeans have some of the highest amounts of empathy for perceived foreigns compared compared to that possessed by other races, to the point of it even being maladaptive by allowing foreigners to come in and abuse their welfare system and laws without much repercussions.4chan is an English speaking website mostly with westerns, so naturally the vitriol will mostly be directed as non-westerners, but this fact in itself should not deceive oneself into accepting the false progressive narrative that white people are uniquely racist.
>>25253350If everyone is saying the same thing about you, it just might be true.
Eknath Easwaran's version is the better one.>>25251253 gaves an interesting interpretation of karma and other concepts.Is it worth it? nah, just study the karma yoga verses and call it a day.
>>25253350Indians are a lot more racist than white people are. They're racist against people who are 10% browner than themselves.White people are actually very easy going, compared to how insane Indians are about this stuff. Shakespeare was like "oh, a Spanish Moor. How interesting..." in the exact frame of time where Indians were designating segments of the population as "untouchables".
>>25250802>A nice, short edition is the Oxford Classics one by W.J. JohnsonNTA but why should I get that one as opposed to the bilingual edition translated by J.A.B. Van Buitenen? Personally I tend to dislike too much commentary beyond linguistic ones calling attention to specific terms or wordplay in the original language that get lost in translation
>>25253350>It's just in their shitty nature that everyone else has to bear with.Feel free to go back to your shithole
>>25252916It's done deliberately to hide Esoteric Hitlerism from gathering a following.
>>25253360I am only trying to point out the fact that this racism is not some neo-phenomena. As if Indians and other Brown's were respected before they flooded the internet. I wouldn't say prejudice is unique to white people. But their racism does have a unique taste to it.
>>25253221>>25253350Okay but the "Indians" who spoke the Vedas were Aryan invaders who likely did not resemble the stereotypical Indian today
>>25253601Either is fine. For a total novice, I think Johnson is better because a newbie won't be reading the Sanskrit anyway and his intro and notes are designed for people who don't know the background. The notes are pretty minimal, they just explain things the average reader won't know.
>>25254089>who likely did not resemble the stereotypical Indian todayHighly unlikely assumption. Simple occum's razor should tell you that they probably most resembled the people who literally directly descended from them
>>25254102Why would an elite invader class that established itself as the nobles of a larger population be what's resembled thousands and thousands of years later? Isn't the correct occams razor here that they would be genetically assimilated into the larger population over time unless they engaged in hyper-eugenics and interbreeding?
>>25254107>an elite invader class that established itself as the nobles of a larger populationSource?
>>25254099Thanks, I'm just always weary if being too influenced by someone's interpretation and I tend to like bilingual editions because you can see/learn important terms that get used over and over again. It's why I liked the bilingual dhammapada with the pali translated by Acharya Buddharakkhita even though I don't know much pali myself. But I'll look into both editions.
>>25254099>>25254117Also if you don't mind, what are your thoughts on the Easwaran translation from Gita press? I see that one mentioned a lot as well
>>25253221Judging the entire populace of India based on interactions on the internet probably isn’t the brightest idea
>>25254235Well what if I judge them by their lack of presence on the world stage and historical accomplishments despite being one of the most populous nations with a long history?
>>25254824>Well what if I judge them by their lack of presence on the world stageIt has been an economic and cultural powerhouse hugely influential upon Asia for most of its history. That’s why Asia is spoken of as being historically divided into a ‘Sinosphere” and an “Indosphere”.
>>25250021Expect subhuman poo skins to shit on you for reading "their" literature that was written by the first group of white men to enslave them.
>>25254867>It has been an economic and cultural powerhouse hugely influential upon Asia for most of its historyIt's been ruled under the subjugation of other groups for over half a millennium and in its past 50+years of independent rule has been a total shithole
>>25254942>It's been ruled under the subjugation of other groups for over half a millennium and in its past 50+years of independent rule has been a total shitholeThe ethnic makeup of a tiny amount of concentrated elite is neither here nor there in relation to that greater polity remaining an economic and cultural powerhouse, the British economic historian Angus Madison has estimated in 1600 Mughal India under Akbar had between 22-24% of global GDP and all the ancient sources attest to pre-Islamic India being a land of riches that Greek, Persian, Egyptian and Roman merchants eagerly sought out trade with. Qing China ruled by Manchus was also an economic powerhouse. India is still undergoing the same transition to fully industrialized society that China underwent but on a slower scale due to the structural differences in their governments, of course there are biological differences between races that play a role as is always the case comparing nations but the modern state of India is largely due to a chaotic transition (typical of democratic governance) from rural agrarian peasant society to modern industrial economy combined with overpopulation due to modern medicine, birth rates are dropping in both China and India though as both societies become more urban, educated, modernized etc.For all the faults of India, they rule themselves with Indian politicians serving India and are an autonomous civilization-state like China and Russia. Most western countries are ruled by a cabal of zionist-controlled puppet politicians and both sides of the political spectrum conspire to replace their own citizens with non-white migrants and illegals. It’s like only Russia and a dozen or so central and east european countries out of all white countries that dont have governments actively working to make their white populations minorities in their own countries in 20-30 years. Imagine being this cucked and then mocking a country that isnt ruled by a compromised elite serving foreigners like yours is.
>>25251120nu-4chan's hatred of everything hindoo related--no matter how far removed it is from the modern day dysgenic india suffering from severe behavioral sinks, is pedestrian and disgusting.
>>25254116>source for a well recorded phenomenon that dravidians=/=aryansRetard.
>>25254824>Well what if I judge them by their lack of presence on the world stage and historical accomplishments We are truly reaching levels of sheer retardation that was never thought possible
Basic bitch stoicism. And I don't mean Aurelius."Nothing matters bro" + monism.
>>25255070Aren’t dravidians primarily based in the south of India and it gets more Aryan the more North you go?
>>25253583>ndians were designating segments of the population as "untouchablesCaste system is the only thing pajeet did right past 600 years, and maybe fighting Islam.India would been a better place if they had been more racist with themselves.
>>25250021I'm really curious to read Shankaras 10000 pages of shit, or any other "medieval guru who wrote this 700 page text" only because I've never been impressed by any apologist for any of these Sages—as if they either haven't read these tomes or their times are just endless filler about inane shit.You'd think Advaitns and Buddhists and whatever would make good arguments instead of saying there are good arguments or "X already refuted this", ok could you like give bullet points? Because whenever they do try it's never impressive.Like they're operating on presocratic logic.WHAT THE FUCK IS IN THESE MASSIVE TEXTS TO PRODUCE SUCH MIDWITS?You'd think with this many books they'd over everything but you offer nothing.
>>25255087Why is it wrong to judge a race based off of their accomplishments? You don't think White superiority is proven by their conquering the whole known world, space travel, creating the best music and literary works? You don't think African inferiority is proven by constantly getting conquered by every other race, and having next to no scientific and artistic achievements to be spoken of? How else do you judge a race of people if not empirically?
>>25255107Caste system was implemented by aryan invaders >>25255017>It’s like only Russia and a dozen or so central and east european countries out of all white countries that dont have governments actively working to make their white populations minorities in their own countries in 20-30 yearsRetarded zigger AND Indian apologist? KEK
>>25250021You should be praying to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ instead
>>25255299Really getting those shekels today, right Anon?
>>25255318>racist? white supremacist? must be...le jewish!
>>25255338Many such cases. Keep making Mossad happy, mmkay?
>>25252916I noticed a bit but I wouldn't say perennialism is any less true because of it. Not every perennial scholar is Indian, either.
>>25253350maybe if you keep repeating that mantra it might come true, like ritual chanting of sorts. however, the opposite always seems to be the case. its just massive projection.
>>25254089weren't they somewhat indistinguishable from Persians kind of?
>>25255299Read more
i don't think iron lung is gonna dislike you mate. ignore the bullies. cool magic trick, btw
>>25250021test
>>25255302> Retarded zigger hello irrelevant butthurt belter, enjoy being replaced by browns imported by the EU
>>25255134> I'm really curious to read Shankaras 10000 pages of shit, or any other "medieval guru who wrote this 700 page text" only because I've never been impressed by any apologistfollow the chart> Like they're operating on presocratic logic.Mean, Sriharsa anticipates and conclusively refutes Aristotle’s theory of real definition upon which his entire metaphysics depends in his work ‘The Sweets of Refutation”, or the Khaṇdanakhaṇdakhāḍya
