His Dionysus/Apollonian concept is genius. Brilliant.What I don't understand is his concept of the Uberman/Untermenschen. As far as I understand its essence is:>There is no god or afterlife or nothing objectively meaningful>Therefore you are free to do whatever you want>The Untermenschen are NPCs>The Ubermen make their destiny through Will to Power>But the Untermenschen win in the endIt certainly is a fascist leaning ideology and its no surprise that he became an influential figure for the development of such political ideologies.You can see throughout the history of Germany that this "Will to Power" concept fails spectacularly and Hitler getting destroyed despite being the obvious incarnation of such a principle is poetic.
>>25251749if something applies to everyone then it has to be bad because it's fate. if something only applies to the strong then it's not fate, so it's good. spoilers: we all die and become irrelevant, so if something is good it's because it subverts expectations,spoilers: he falls off a cliff because it's taller
>>25251749Ard you pretending to have read him or are you pretending to misunderstand him to generate content?
>>25251756>Ard you pretending to have read him or are you pretending to misunderstand him to generate content?Elaborate on the "correct" understanding, anon.
>>25251749This sounds a bit like a misreading. I think you're taking Will to Power too narrowly as entailing a kind of strongman or libertine type, but Will to Power for Nietzsche amounts to a principle of all beings of the sort the Pre-Socratics posited. Even slaves are expressing the Will to Power through slave morality. Now, the ubermensch should be compared with Emerson's Over-Soul (and it was from reading Emerson that Nietzsche develops his ubermensch), and it's less a concrete type of man than a kind of heuristic for choosing whether and how we take responsibility for our lives. And this gets intricately tangled up with Nietzsche's view that philosophers are legislators of values, and the role of value creation in his work as an attempt (successful or not) to address nihilism and the possibility of philosophizing in the future. Admittedly, Nietzsche invites misinterpretation by using examples like Caesar or Alcibiades, but he really has in mind people like Plato, who develop ways of seeing the world that people subsequently understand everything through, whether consciously or not (and whether Nietzsche agrees with them or not, Plato being a case in point in the opening of Beyond Good and Evil).
>>25251749It doesn't make any sense to call his concept of Uberman as fascist. One of the main principles of Nietzsche's philosophy is being against any type of resentment, since according to him it's by such a hateful feeling that our weakness turn into moral rules. It's his whole point when he criticizes christianity, and if you truly understood him, you would know it would apply to idelogies as well.
>>25251749nothing in Nietzsche is intellectually repressive like in Fascism
Its just creative writing from people disconnected from the source. Dont use it as a model for world building.Pic related: Eros Apollo/Ares Dionysus
>>25251749>The Untermenschen are NPCs>The Ubermen make their destiny through Will to Power>But the Untermenschen win in the endThis is basically just a rehearsal of the Callicles-Socrates argument in the Gorgias
>>25251749it's all expressed in the first speech in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. The Übermensch in an ideal that urges man to work beyond himself and what is present. As far as I know Nietzsche didn't use the term Untermensch but you probably mean the Last Man who is also described in the first speech. It's Nietzsches warning of the tendency to be passive, unambitious and harmless which eventually brings humanity into a state in which nothing ever happens as people just want to live and be left alone and enjoy the little things and care only for peace and love and harmony etc.
