Anyone read this? How is it?I’m starting to dive in the rabbit hole of “just how fucked westerners have become over the last few decades”
>>25251947it's probably good but that type of thing gets talked about all the time here and online so I imagine most people are well versed with the subject matter
>>25251947Can anyone read this summary and tell me what the book is actually about? It’s confusing as hell>Something is going wrong on many college campuses in the last few years. Rates of anxiety, depression, and suicide are rising. Speakers are shouted down. Students and professors say they are walking on eggshells and afraid to speak honestly. How did this happen?>First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt show how the new problems on campus have their origins in three terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhood and what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker; always trust your feelings; and life is a battle between good people and evil people. These three Great Untruths are incompatible with basic psychological principles, as well as ancient wisdom from many cultures. They interfere with healthy development. Anyone who embraces these untruths—and the resulting culture of safetyism—is less likely to become an autonomous adult able to navigate the bumpy road of life.>Lukianoff and Haidt investigate the many social trends that have intersected to produce these untruths. They situate the conflicts on campus in the context of America’s rapidly rising political polarization, including a rise in hate crimes and off-campus provocation. They explore changes in childhood including the rise of fearful parenting, the decline of unsupervised play, and the new world of social media that has engulfed teenagers in the last decade.>This is a book for anyone who is confused by what is happening on college campuses today, or has children, or is concerned about the growing inability of Americans to live, work, and cooperate across party lines.
>>25251963The TL;DR seems to be >a bunch of bullshit advice and slogans are pushed onto the youth and that advice ultimately ends up setting them down a life of misery and failureIn short, the Jews are being called out on their subversion. I haven’t read it but seems based enough
>>25251947It's pop lit cultural commentary, but it's good. I bring up the peanut allergy thing a lot. Don't expect it to be a rigorous or biting as something like Lasch.
americans are coddled because of self-help books. is this not a self-help product?
>>25252018it is not a self help book
>>25252018>americans are coddled because of self-help booksI think that's not his point. It is more about the current ideology in american universities
>>25252018That doesn't fucking make sense, thirdie
>>25251947>(((Jonathan Haidt)))Dropped.
>>25252984I’m… sorry.I didn’t know.
>>25251947This doesn't matter. Things will not change back to their old ways.The atom bomb was a mistake.
>>25251963Tldr gender affirming surgery increases suicide rate.Tho he probably doesn't say that, it's the same principle.Muscles and bones strengthen by getting damaged. Souls by being told no. No one is being told "that's ridiculous and really stupid" by an authoritative adult. It's acceptance of differences all the way and this literally kills because adult life is full of bullying and confrontation.
>>25251963>>25251947The classical framing very much is between good and evil. It isn't good and evil people per se, because people can change. But it is about rightly ordered loves. That is Dante in a nutshell. That's logos (the desire for truth, goodness, and beauty as such) leading and ordering epithumia (bodily desire) and thymos (the desire for honors and status).Whereas, the ultimate good today is normally something like autonomy? This is why not molesting children or having sex with animals is justified wholly through appeals to "consent" (even though kids and animals don't consent to all sorts of things we do to them), rather than as misordered desire. Whereas, classically, the desire to have sex with animals or children is itself a vice that ought to be reformed.More to the point, the ideology of "trust your feelings," and shrill emotivism seems to follow from a lack of focus on virtue and any true measure of good or evil. But the classical view isn't some sort of dissolving move where no one is evil. It is to recognize, like Boethius, that the wicked suffer and are weak, since they cannot achieve the one thing worth doing. A move from "evil" to proceduralism tends to assume grounds that make emotivism inevitable.Yet the classical tradition would say safety is very important in a sense, in that, as Lewis says in the Abolition of Man, taste must be educated. Whereas today children's media is full of celebrations of vice. The gluttonous, lazy, character is celebrated as funny. The heros are disobedient and sarcastic. Post-modern ironic distance dominates everywhere, because to truly embrace any notion of good or evil is to become "indoctrinated" or "enthusiastic" and so unfree. Indeed, when freedom is just potency, and moral compass is unfreedom.That's why many concerns here seem to me like fighting the evils of liberalism with even more liberalism.
>>25251947>You didn't let Ben Shapino speak... feel my conservative wrath: The BookCharlie Kirk is the end result of forcing conservative media figures into spaces where they're hated for the purpose of ragebaiting people. Eventually someone gets sick of it. As a conservative I can admit this. Almost nothing to do with institutional decay.
>>25252011I think my biological father is allergic to all nuts except peanuts but I think thats because peanuts aren't even nuts
>>25253301Anon..
>>25253301Well to be fair the liberals and socialists aren't giving us much of chance. So much for the marketplace of ideas they champion so much. I never understood why thinkers in the past could ever imagine a world of liberal totalitarianism. Probably lacked the frame of reference for such a thing. I think Ian Hacking brought up similar ideas.
>>25253311The problem is that conservative activism has become a ritual of public transgression. Professional activism on the right has been hijacked by Deleuzite postmodernists. So there's no debate, it's just a spectacle where someone has to be "owned" for a camera. The inevitable trajectory of this is negative and has polarized many moderate college kids against right wing ideas forever. We're polling about as well as NAMBLA on campuses and the professional activist class doesn't care since it lines their pockets, even if their lives are in danger.
>>25251947>>25251963Have not read the book, but on this part of the summary>First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt show how the new problems on campus have their origins in [...] terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhoodOne of the ideas he raises being>life is a battle between good people and evil peopleThis is comically, woefully, fantastically out of touch.The idea that life is a battle between good and evil people is fundamental to christianity (and abrahamic religion in general, jews, islamists and various offshoot cults all feel the same way), and thus ingrained in American culture at the level of mainstream religion. American christians, and christians around the world, are taught that the jews were "good" because they were "chosen by god", that by belief in christ they inherit the covenant of abraham. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzvkmkgbyAc(jesus christ. I was made to sing this song in church, which is disturbing enough on its own, but the name of this youtube channel "Hi Heaven", a pun on "high heaven" also has a vaguely suicide cult overtone, as in "hello heaven". I despise christfags so much man. How can they produce a video like this and not at any point think "this doesn't feel right")Anyway, yea, the idea that life is a battle between good an evil is at the root code of american culture. It's bad with other christians too, but without the Papacy to reign it in, American christianity is a self perpetuating insanity where the adherents interpret the holy book for themselves, and come to the conclusion that they should behave like the jews. American christians view people of other cultures and persuasions with suspicion, and engage in purity spiral behavior by holding "sin" against each other. This attitude leaves the family household with the children, but christianity isn't socially acceptable outside of christian circles: so the habit gets sublimated into treating Left-wing politics as a dogma (far from true liberal and educated thinking), treating right-wingers like christians treat pagans, and engaging in purity spirals in left wing circles. This was exacerbated by social media and became cancel culture. Of course, right wing christians are no better: at worst they're just as dogmatic, and downright retarded. The stereotype of the hillbilly justifying generational abuse with bible verses is real. At best, the experience of being un-personed by a predominantly left-wing culture (with christian substrate) forces them to become educated people, essentially turning them into moderate liberals. This does not often happen. By the time you get to college, these problems have already run their course. A person has already been sorted into either "left wing enough" for university culture (fated to constant left-wing purity checks), or un-personed. And so you have universities becoming illiberal left-wing daycares Just read Nietzsche desu
>>25253320>We're polling about as well as NAMBLA on campusesGood. Your retardation needs to die a quiet humiliating death.
>>25253731NTA, but you're as retarded as that guy. And dying in an equally humiliating way.
>>25251947I have the same interests. Pic related is the best I have found. Any other suggestions?
>>25251947I haven't read the book but I've listened to Haidt speak a lot. This book was released in 2018, right when the concept of "cancel culture" was at its peak and the public was starting to turn against it. The coddling he's referring to is the protected upbringing of kids born in the 90s and their exposure to social media and how this all led to an extreme fragility when it comes to dealing with challenges to the ideological status quo. This was around the time that Jordan Peterson was getting huge exposure for his (incredibly tame, in hindsight) conservatism in the face of woke ideologues trying to cancel him for standing up for men
>>25253795Peterstein was a glowie plant meant to neuter the burgeoning discourse.
>>25253795Are you implying kids today aren't coddled because they're grew up with social media?
>>25251963>These three Great Untruths are incompatible with basic psychological principlesthis is all you need to know. Like all pop non-fiction, it's a hypothesis steeped in psychology. As other anon said, they aren't concerned with right and wrong, they are utilitarians chasing the promise of psychology to solve the human condition. For some reason boomers love the idea of sciencing all of man's problems away, so liberals (of whatever -wing) have this quasi-religious obsession with psychology. Do they at least acknowledge that these trends in education they criticize were championed by psychology?
>>25251963Basically, Lukianoff and Haidt use anecdotes to complain about how something they don't like, which doesn't have much rigorous data backing its existence, is bad. It's the book equivalent of a /pol/ post yelling about kids pooping in litterboxes. It's trying real hard to justify the existence of cancel culture and how social media harms kids emotional resilience, but the actual hard data backing it just isn't conclusive enough to actually underwrite the arguments that they're trying to make.TL;DR pop-psychology about how "kids these days" are bad and weak.
>>25254060Kids these days are bad and weak though. No question there.
>>25252255>t. burger
