Is it a hoax? Is all of it made up or is there bits of truth in it? I'm looking for non-biased sources that did research into it's origins. I recently read it and it's pretty entertaining and inciting for sure.
>>25256543Apocryphal origin which means you shouldn’t take it seriously. If you want to get serious and learn about Jewish power and collective goals, read Culture of Critique by Kevin Macdonald.
>>25256543>>25256566It's very obviously not true but it's metaphorically true that self proclaimed "liberal" politicians in the west use all those tactics/ want all those things to happen to destroy nation states and gain self serving power.
>>25256543I mean it a true as a metaphor that the Jews do that stuff. It just didn't literally happen one day that a bunch of them sat down and outlined "how will we take down Europe and the US?"
>>25256543They called it a forgery not a hoax. Allegedly the jew that copied it and handed over to the Russians was hunted down and murdered by his fellow jews.
tis but a book, it can’t hurt you unless you ask it to
Didn't the Eustace Mullin guy make a conclusion about its origin? I have the Japanese version and the translator cites all of Mullin's research regarding it
>>25257651>didnt he? didn’t he? Didn’t He?Spill the PDFs, you aren’t fooling anyone.
>>25257655>Spill the PDFs, you aren’t fooling anyone.What? I have the hard cover copy. They don't do scans here.
>>25257617all those 'liberals' like trump actively destroying nations right now, those 'liberals'?retard
>>25257651>>25257695This is me. Translation from the Japanese book. >*The Circumstances Leading to the Appearance of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"As quoted above, the main points of how "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" came to be published are largely covered in Eustace Mullins' account in "The Curse of Canaan." However, I would like to add some explanation of the important pioneering movements that Mullins mention.◎1860: Secret meeting of Jewish reformers at the home of Rabbi Kalischa of Toruń◎1861: Publication of Rabbi Hirsch Kalischa's *Drishal Zion*◎1862: Publication of Moses Hess's *Roman and Jerusalem*●1864: Maurice Joly's *Dialogue aux Enfers entre Machiavelli et Montesquieu* (Dialogue aux Enfers entre Machiavelli et Montesquieu) (X)Proponents of the Protocols theory claim that Maurice Joly's (1829-1878) "Dialogue aux Enfers entre Machiavelli et Montesquieu" was plagiarized in the Protocols, and that a chapter in Gade's book, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague," mentioned in the next section, was plagiarized and became the prototype for the Protocols. Norman Cohn's *The Myth of the Jewish World Domination Conspiracy* (published in 1991 by Dynamic Sellers) states, "...of the more than 160 sections of the 'Protocols,' two-fifths are plagiarized from Jolly. Nine chapters are plagiarized to as much as three-quarters of the text. In some more egregious cases ('The Seventh Protocol'), an entire chapter is plagiarized. Furthermore, with the exception of more than ten, the order of the plagiarized sections is identical to Jolly's original, as if the adapter had mechanically copied them. The chapter order is also almost identical. Chapter 24 of the 'Protocols' roughly corresponds to Chapter 25 of the 'Dialogues'" (p. 80 of the book), concluding that "this is such a blatant example of plagiarism and fabrication that it is almost impossible to imagine."However, if, as Mullins suggests, Maurice Joly himself obtained the source material from a close associate of Adolphe Cremieux named E. Lahran, and relied on the minutes of a secret Jewish reformer meeting in Toruń in 1860, or if there was a source material from which Joly himself drew inspiration, then Joly would also be a plagiarist, and the story changes completely.And indeed, a source material for Joly's *Dialogues in Hell* did exist. That source material was a book published 14 years earlier, in 1850, with a very similar title: *Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau*. The author was Jacob Benedi, and the publisher was Franz Dunicker of Berlin.
>>25257705Take your meds nigga, I'm too much of an ESL to understand your niggerbabble. >>25257706Jacob Benedi (1805-1871), a Jew, was born in Cologne and graduated from Heidelberg University. He became involved in the revolutionary movement at a young age and was subsequently deported. In 1835, he settled in Paris and edited a newspaper called "The Exiles," which incited subversive activities. He was expelled from Paris by the authorities and fled to Le Havre, but was able to return to Paris thanks to protests from Adolphe Crémieux's friends, Arago and Migné. Benedi's work, "The Roman Catholic Church, Christianity, and Germanism," was highly praised by the French Academy, which likely contributed to his success. However, his primary profession was that of a revolutionary, and he was also a close friend of Karl Marx. After staying in London from 1843 to 1844, which was then the command center for revolutionary movements in continental Europe, Benedi moved to Brussels and, together with Marx, established the secret organization "Workers' Communist League" (later renamed "International Association of Democracies"). Following the February 1848 revolution, he returned to Germany with Marx and became a leader of the "Committee of 50 Revolutionaries," serving as the representative for the Oberland district. It was during this period that Benedi published "Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau," advocating authoritarianism and the oppression of the masses through the lens of Machiavelli and Rousseau.Benedi was a Freemason activist and a member of the Carbonari party. It is therefore natural that Benedi was close to Adolphe Isaac Cremieux (Jewish name Isaac Moses, 1798-1880), a member of the Mithryme Lodge and the Supreme Master of Scottish Rites.As Eustace Mullins has pointed out, Cremieux was involved in many of the events leading up to the creation of the Protocols of the Elders of the Elders, including the secret Jewish reformer meeting in Toruń in 1860, the publication of Maurice Joly's "Dialogues in Hell" in 1864 (as will be discussed below), and the removal of top-secret documents from the Mithraim Lodge by Joseph Sholst Shapiro. He also supported Benedi, the author of "Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau," which Joly used as a source.
>>25257651The fascination with it in Japan is funny, a while back I came across a 1937 pamphlet titled 支那事変とユダヤ人の陰謀 which cites the Protocols extensively
>>25257715I suppose they """"knew""" about it in the past but not now, but this book (the red book I mentioned) can be easily bought on Amazon. 1700yen, even. Quite cheap. I also have the Curse of Canaan translation カナンの呪い of Mullins, by that same guy who re-edited the Protocols translation (it was originally translated by a Japanese officer, for context). Cont. >>25257714Crémieux, like Benjamin Disraeli who became British Prime Minister, was a politician loyal to the Rothschild family. While Cremieux greatly assisted Louis Napoleon in his rise to power, his dream of becoming Prime Minister and controlling French politics never materialized. He lost the position of Finance Minister to another Jew and was only appointed Minister of Justice, which led to a falling out with Napoleon. He was arrested during the coup d'état on December 2, 1851, and imprisoned in Vincennes. After his release from prison, he considered himself Napoleon III's arch-enemy and cultivated close relationships with revolutionaries and socialists such as Karl Marx, Giuseppe Mazzini, Louis Blanc, Ledrieu Laurent, and Pierre Leroux. Jacob Benedi and the young Maurice Joly were also among his associates.Joly could be said to have voiced Crémieux's animosity towards Napoleon III.As Joly stated in his autobiography, "His Journey and His Plan" (1870), regarding his intention in writing "Dialogues in Hell," "Montesquieu represents a sound political position, while Machiavelli, as Napoleon III, extols that despicable political position" (from Norman Cohn, 1878), "Dialogues in Hell" was a satirical novel criticizing Napoleon III's Second Empire (1852–1870)."Dialogues in Hell" was printed in 1864, initially in Geneva, Switzerland, and later in Brussels, Belgium, and brought into France, but was confiscated as soon as it crossed the border. The author of this anti-government document was quickly identified, and Joly was arrested. "Dialogues in Hell" was banned. On April 15, 1865, Joly was sentenced to 15 months in prison at Sainte-Pérange. Upon his release after serving his sentence, Joly was greeted with welcomes of "Well done!" from prominent Parisian Jews, including Crémieux. With the support of Jules Favre, Deman, Leblon, Aragon, Berriel, and Adolphe Cremieux, he was able to launch a legal journal titled "The Court." On July 14, 1878, coincidentally the same day as Bastille Day (the anniversary of the storming of the Bastille prison during the French Revolution), Joly was found dead by suicide in an apartment on the Quai Voltaire in Paris.
>>25257706>>25257714This is a nitpick but the author was trying to transliterate "Venedey", not Benedihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Venedey
>>25257749Thanks, I was just using Google translate.Will edit future posts. Cont. >>25257741◎1868: Sir John Letcliffe's "Biarrittz" (Biarrittz - a historical and political novel) is published. One chapter of the book, "At the Jewish Cemetery in Prague," becomes the prototype for the Protocols of the Elders of the Elders. The author, Sir John Letcliffe, is a pseudonym for the German Hermann Ottmar Friedrich Gade (1815-1878). Gade was initially a postal worker, but is also said to have served as a spy for the Prussian secret police. In 1848 (or possibly 1849), he moved to the Prussian News, where he wrote columns. He was also influenced early on by Walter Scott and Alexandre Dumas, and began publishing fictional historical novels anonymously or under pseudonyms (Sir John Letcliffe being one of them). In 1853, he traveled to Turkey as a newspaper reporter. The core of the chapter "At the Jewish Cemetery in Prague," added to Gade's "Biarritz" (three volumes), which has the subtitle "Historical Political Novel," was compiled into a separate booklet, titled "The Rabbin's Speech." In 1872, the booklet was distributed in St. Petersburg, Russia. In 1876, it was published in Moscow under the title "At the Jewish Cemetery in Prague, Czechoslovakia: The Jews, the Rulers of the World." After that, booklets containing "The Rabbin's Speech" continued to appear throughout Eastern Europe. In France, it was published in the July 1881 issue of the magazine "The Modern." Françoise Bournin's "My Jewish Contemporaries" (1896) also includes "The Rabbi's Speech."● 1869: Minutes of the First Jewish Reformation Congress in Leipzig● 1884: Minutes of the Katowitz Congress by "Lovers of Zion"Katowitz was then part of Prussia, but is now a town in southern Poland, called Katowice. An international congress of "Lovers of Zion" (Hovevei Zion = Hibbat Zion) was held here. According to the "Encyclopedia of Jews," the conference was originally scheduled to begin on October 27th to commemorate the centenary of the birth of Lord Moses Montefiore (Chairman of the British Jewish Delegations, 1784-1885). However, due to the delay of a 22-member delegation from Russia, the conference was postponed to November 7th. Representatives from Germany, Britain, France, and Romania also participated, bringing the total number of attendees to 32. Leo Pinskar, the Russian representative and author of "Self-Reliance," was elected chairman.
>>25257764In his opening remarks, Pinskar emphasized the necessity for Jews to return to the Land of Zion and work there. He then proposed the establishment of the "Montefiore Society" (Agdat Montefiore) to commemorate Lord Montefiore, who had made a substantial donation the previous year for the construction and operation of six settlements in Erez Israel (Land of the Israelites), and to promote and support settlement in Erez Israel. The proposal was accepted, and the establishment of the society was decided. The headquarters was established in Odessa, and a branch was set up in Warsaw. Nineteen members of the association's central committee were selected from among the conference participants, with Pinskar elected chairman, and it was decided that he would manage the Warsaw branch.H.Z. Shapira, who was unable to attend the conference, sent a telegram emphasizing the importance of establishing financial institutions such as the Jewish Fund to promote not only agriculture but also various industries, commerce, manufacturing, and trade in Erez Israel. The establishment of the Montefiore Society partially fulfilled this request.As described above, while the details of the Katowitz Conference in "Lovers of Zion" are recounted quite thoroughly, there is no mention whatsoever of the documents taken from the Mithraim Lodge or the person known as Sholst Shapiro, as pointed out by Mullins. However, this is perhaps understandable.◎1884: Miss Juliana Glinka obtains the Katowitz Conference minutes from ShapiroOnly Leslie Frye's (real name Paquita de Shishmarev) renowned book, "The River Flows East," provides detailed information about the relationship between Miss Glinka and Sholst. According to the second chapter of the second part of the book, "The Protocols," titled "How the Protocols Came to Russia," Miss Justine Glinka, daughter of a Russian general, was conducting intelligence gathering activities for her country in Paris. She delivered the information she gathered to General Orgevsky, the Undersecretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Saint Petersburg. For this purpose, Miss Glinka employed a Jewish man named Joseph Sholst, a Freemason belonging to the Mithraim Lodge in Paris. Sholst's real name was Shapiro, and his father was serving a 10-year prison sentence in London for illicit activities, but he was a repeat offender who had previously been sentenced to two years in prison.One day in 1884, Sholst approached Miss Klinka, claiming to possess a document of great value to Russia, and offered to acquire it for 2,500 francs. Miss Klinka contacted the Ministry of the Interior, and the 2,500 francs were approved; in exchange for the payment, Miss Klinka obtained the document. According to official French records, Sholst subsequently fled to Egypt, where he was murdered.
>>25257766She sent the document, originally written in French, with a Russian translation to her homeland, General Orgevsky. The general then handed it over to his superior, Minister of the Interior Cherevin, intending to show it to the Emperor.However, Minister Cherevin, whose weaknesses were being exploited by a wealthy Jewish businessman, wanted to avoid going against the Jewish man's wishes, and therefore simply stored the document in a vault without showing it to the Emperor.Soonerly, several books claiming to be written by Count Vasily, describing life at the Russian court, began circulating in Paris. Count Vasily was a pseudonym; in reality, the book was written by Mrs. Juliet Adam, using material obtained from Princess Demidov-San Donate and Princess Rajville, among others. When the Emperor heard about such a book, he was greatly displeased and ordered the secret police to find out who the author was. The fact that such a trivial matter was brought to the Emperor's attention suggests that the entire publication scandal was probably a fabrication to frame Mademoiselle Glinka, and that the culprit would naturally be Mademoiselle Glinka. At the time, there were several Jewish intelligence agents among the Russian secret police stationed in Paris. Among them, it was likely Malyulov who found Miss Glinka's actions to be an obstacle and plotted to oust her.As expected, when she returned to her homeland after receiving orders to return home, she found that her estate in Oryol (a town south of Moscow) had been confiscated. Miss Glinka provided Alexei Skochin, who was the head of the aristocracy in the Oryol district, with a copy of the "Protocols" (it is revealed here for the first time that the document obtained from Shapiro was the "Protocols"). Skochin showed it to two of his friends, Philip Petrovich Stepanov and Sergei Alexandrovich Nils. ◎1895: Stepanov's private edition of the Protocols is printed. Stepanov obtained the manuscript of the Protocols from his friend Scorchin and printed it privately. Mullins writes in a way that suggests that a Ginsberg version of the Protocols circulated immediately after Asher Ginsberg appeared in Paris, that is, it was brought to Russia and then privately printed by Stepanov. However, it seems that Stepanov's version was actually obtained through Miss Glinka. Regarding the events in between, there is a sworn statement signed by Stepanov himself dated April 17, 1927. This is probably a sworn statement made during questioning in connection with the Nils case.
>>25257773Below is Stepanov' letter:>In 1895, I obtained a portion of the manuscript of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" from my neighbor in the Toura district, a retired Captain Alexei Skochin. According to him, a female acquaintance of his (he didn't mention her name) living in Paris had found it at the home of a Jewish friend. Before leaving Paris, she secretly translated a portion, brought it back to Russia, and gave it to Skochin. Initially, I had this original translation printed using a photocopied stencil, but it was practically unreadable, so I decided to have it printed. The date, place of publication, and printer's name were all concealed. For the printing, I received assistance from Arkady Ippolitovich Kelepovsky, who was then the chief steward of the Grand Prince Sergei's household. He took "The Protocols" to the district printing house and had it printed. The version of "The Protocols" that Sergei Nils inserted into his works was this printed version, to which he added his own annotations.April 17, 1927Former Chief Administrator of the Moscow Diocese, Former Chamberlain to His Majesty the Emperor, Former Privy Councillor, 1897 Administrator of the Oryol District of the Moscow-Kursk Railway(Signed) Philip Petrovich Stepanov(Witnesses) Grand Duke Dmitry Galitin, Governor-General of the Russian Immigration District of Stari Fontag◎1901: Sergei Nils's "Greatness Among the Lowly" is publishedMeanwhile, in 1901, Sergei Nils (1862-1929) published a book titled "Greatness Among the Lowly" in Tsarskoye Selo (now Pushkin District, Saint Petersburg), which included the "Protocols" in it, the first attempt of its kind in Russia. As Stepanov states in the aforementioned sworn affidavit, the "Protocols" themselves were brought to Russia by Miss Glinka and printed by Stepanov, to which he added annotations. Almost simultaneously with Sergei Nils's publication, a portion of it was taken out by Nils's friend, G.V. Butmi. Butmi also appears to have independently published the "Protocols."◎1905: The second edition of Sergei Nils's "Greatness in the Small" is published.The Kerensky regime, established after the Russian Revolution, ordered the complete banning and destruction of Nils's version of the "Protocols." Only a very small number survived and were taken out of the country; these served as the basis for translations into various languages that continue to this day.
>>25256543It's a hoax. I don't understand why anyone reads the protocols whent the Talmud is RIGHT THERE
>>25258232Exactly. Jews are so shrewd that you wonder if some Zionist didn’t write the protocols to poison reasonable discourse about Jewish influence.
>>25258232They’re goys.
>>25258913Taking the Protocols seriously is reasonable. It's the Jews that are ridiculous along with anyone trying to minimize their insanity.
>>25256543Tsarist hoax but it says a lot of things chuds want to believe, and the will to believe is more important than facts
>>25258967>All copies that were known to exist in Russia were destroyed in the Kerensky regime, and under his successors the possession of a copy by anyone in Soviet land was a crime sufficient to ensure the owner's of being shot on sight.They were just covering for the overthrown Tsarist regime. Makes perfect sense.
