>writes "end of history">gets completely BTFO'd and proven wrong in less than a decade>still doubles down to this dayWhy is it so hard for these liberal dinosaurs to admit they're wrong?
Yeah but that was under Biden's utopia. Here's what he had to say since the people once again voted Hitler into power:>I think that the Chinese have created a pretty impressive system. It is authoritarian. It's quasi market-based and they are very successful at marshalling new technology. They're capable of innovating a lot of things we thought they weren't able to do. And conversely, democracy, especially American democracy, looks like it's falling apart. If I were somebody trying to move from a poor misgoverned country somewhere else I would have chosen the United States without question for most of the last several decades. But you know these days I'm not sure that it's such an attractive model for many people. And I would say if the Chinese keep their development machine going you know it may turn out that they have a real alternative. I think however that it's a little premature to come to that conclusion because there are a lot of problems in China which are related to the fact that there's no feedback, there's no responsiveness to public opinion. And that is going to get them into trouble, I think, in the long run
>disagrees that history can be undone>agrees that history can be undone>never offers the class you just keep wondering
Liberal or monarchists, or even state-socialists. All dinosaurs. All of them have ONE thing on their agenda and that is to keep this horrible fragile thing they call "civilization" up and running, for the few's profits. They delude themselves every fucking cycle. And any that become self aware cry a little and work on resetting the whole fucked up thing to go again
does fukuyama ever engage with pocock's "machiavellian moment"?
the “end” of history is kind of like a mode. one can go in and out.
The "end of history" assumes liberal democracy will reign eternal when in reality it probably won't exist past 2060 and most nation states will collapse this century
>>25257743>it probably won't exist past 2060Inshallah
>>25257546The big elephant in the room is that liberalism has no answer to the fertility crisis.Even the "we can just import cattle slaves from the 3rd world" has the premise that illiberal society must continue existing to provide new blood. This defacto makes liberalism a parasitic ideology.How does Fukuyama deal with this?
>>25258755The magic soil will make them all good goys and the population will stabilize which solves the eternal growth problem and the resource depletion problem (and global warming etc). Then we are ready for space communism. No really that is the answer. In reality the libcucks keep choosing death and are outbred by every backwards savage. The only white people in the US will be amish and mormon.
>>25257743The older I get, the more banal and ridiculous this Chicken Little "end of times" "societal collapse" bullshit all is. People literally don't say shit like this because they think it's true. They say it because they want it to be true. Infantile wishful thinking.
>>25258785You are correct. But it also becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. No 17th century philosopher went around ranting about decline and the collapse of European civilization.
>>25258785I completely agree. It reminds me of the "social darwinists" who believe life is a war and a battle, and make sure to tell everyone about it. If they truly believed it, they would never mention it publicly. If people truly believed in the "end of the world", they would act completely different.
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>>25258785Oh yeah people totally want demographic catastrophes and global Biological warfare to happen. Delusional cope.
>>25258792>No 17th century philosopher went around ranting about decline and the collapse of European civilization.This is literally not true. Every century had a series of people claiming society is on the brink of destruction, since before Christ.https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/trevor-roper-on-the-general-crisis-of-the-17thc
>>25258803You are a histrionic unmarried single troon.Lay off the HRT and touch grass, you chromo
>>25258792I have always been curious what would happen if people could regain a common vision of "utopia", instead of having a common vision of "dystopia".
>>25258792You're not a philosopher.
>>25258806They weren't exactly wrong. Their way of life did die. Their countries are unrecognizable, their values abandoned. Even their language is almost incoherent to our children.
>>25258807I'm married with a son you deranged retard.
>>25257575>Yeah but that was under Biden's utopiaMy bet is that the people screaming about the end of America and democracy are going to do a complete 180 in 2028 when the Dem candidate wins.
>>25257546The conception that near the peak of the golden age of a civilization, people think that their model is the best possible and is going to last forever is typical, not an exception.is usually an important factor that determines the doom of the civilization. If you believe that your model is the best thing ever, you are likely driven to defend it, while if you think that this model will eventually fulfill its role, and then there will be another, you would be much more welcoming and analytical of the change,defending a doomed system only leads to wider collapses when the collapse does come.
>>25257546He's not wrong though, even if states relapse into authoritarianism - the point of "the end" of history is the final conceivable development of The State as such. And there's no indication of a genuinely new model for a society that somehow goes beyond liberal democracy. If politics is the negotiation of the interests of different groups, the ideal of liberal democracy is leading politics to a point of least mutual conflict. This "end" is more theoretical than empirical, and nothing stops humans from ruining a good thing, then having to retread the whole development.>b-but ChinaChina's future will surprise a lot of shills. Its enterprising and educated middle class will demand political representation sooner or later, it's a societal law.
>>25258785Because you're equating the end of democratic liberalism with the apocalypse when it's just a return to the historical norm. Democratic liberalism with universal suffrage is an extremely recent phenomenon.
>>25257546Institutional capture. Fascism is when the government does mean stuff, don't you know, chud?
>>25257610I've always wanted that book but its overpriced. Would be nice to see what he says about it.
>>25257546What he means by "end of history" is "the purpose of history" i.e., "end" as in "means to an end"Also you shouldn't have put an apostrophe in "BTFO'd"; that's not how apostrophes workAlso I can tell you are an American
>>25257546You haven't been keeping up with Fukuyama. Since Trump's re-election his stance on the matter is now "I don't know." He's very pessimistic about the future of the West and acknowledges the potential of China although he still hopes liberalism wins out in the end.
>>>/pol/ is that wayalso, lefties prefer ideology over reality. they're basically adult-sized toddlers
>>25259606took him long enough
Books on how based Trump is? The media makes him out to be a buffoon but it seems he's actually a cunning genius
>>25260208If you want 1st party, "The Art of The Deal". I read it after he first announced he was running for President, and was genuinely impressed with the workings of his mind.If you want 3rd party, "Let Trump Be Trump"by Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie.
>>25257610mansfield shat on that pocock book
>>25258785people dont realize that when they say the “end of the world” they usually just mean the end of their current standard of living.
>>25258785>>25258792When did boomers find this board?
>>25260208Check the fantasy section.
It's funny how he suffers from total TDS now yet he is completely silent on Israel
