Hegel can't adequately resolve his problem of labor alienation, bondage and the master-slave dialectic, only Marx can. Hegel's attempt as resolution of wage slavery is just cope. Thus any completion of Hegel requires Marx. Hegel might even honestly have agreed but he also had his career to consider smd do had to say the post-Napoleonic Prussian state was the summation and end of history
>>25259818>Hegel's attempt as resolution of wage slavery is just copeWhat was his attempt. Genuinely asking here
>>25259820He said the alienation is alleviated by idealism because Geist realizes the master keeping it in bondage is just its Idea and therefore also its creation, so the alienation is only on your head because reality is Idea
>>25259853I can see how this leads to liberalism. Once the geist recognises itself as the master then it would take charge of itself. And since idea is reality, in the real world this would manifest itself as the abolition of slavery, serfdom and feudalism. Or is he saying that those things will remain but the spirit will recognise them as extention of it's own being?
>>25259858The last part, since Hegel says early 19th Century Prussia is the end of history and the perfection of human development. Thus labor alienation is a misconception arising from Geist not realizing reality is just its idea.In counter to this, Marx asks why does reality differ so radically from our ideal if they are identical.
>>25259818>>25259853>>25259862This isn't what Hegel said or argued. Since this isn't from Hegel directly, where are you getting all of this from?
>>25259867You haven't read Phenomenology of the Geist
>>25259870Uh huh
>>25259902Nta but they don’t look all that read just judging by the spines. Yucky, what’s that stain on SoL?
>>25259902You haven't, stop lying. It's explictly laid out in the section on Lordship and Bondage wherein Mind/Spirit overcomes labor alienation by sublation of the Other (Master)
>>25259907Coffee. Miller edition SoL was my first Hegel, and it's beat to hell and back, with the soft cover completely detached. My PoS I treated infinitely more gently precisely because my SoL is falling apart.
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>>25259927Paragraph 791.>The cultivated self-consciousness which has traversed the world of self-alienated Spirit has, through its self-alienation, produced the Thing as its own self792.>However, at this stage, knowledge of the Thing is still not complete; it must be known not only from the standpoint of the immediacy of being and of determinateness, but also as essence or inner being, as Self. This occurs in moral self-consciousness. This is aware that its knowledge is a knowledge of what is absolutely essential, it knows that being is simply and solely pure willing and knowing; it is nothing else but this willing and knowing; anything else has only unessential being, i.e. not intrinsic being, only its empty husk. In the same measure that moral self-consciousness lets determinate being ['Dasein', necessary distinction between Self and Other] go free from the SelfThe self is set free by moral consciousness that reality is only will and knowledge and so labor alienation (one's production set over and against one) is no longer there
>>25259956>mom I posted it again!
Marx and Hegel are great for pseuds who want to talk about stuff they have no expertise on.
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>>25259996>mom I made another Marx thread again!
>>25259976I'm not gonna bother, since you're feeling obtuse and think it's unnecessary to take the thread argument that's actually happening. Feel free to square the circle by defending OP's statements at>>25259818>>25259853>>25259862At their word and using only the Lord and Bondsman section.
>>25260269OP wins by default since you have not quoted an alternative resolution that Hegel supposedly offers
>>25260319There wasn't an "alternative", there was what Hegel actually said toward the end of the Lord-Bondsman section, and you brainfarted and posted unrelated shit from the end of the book. Embarrassing to call that a "win."
>>25260356The work is holistic and characters the process of phenomenological dialectic of the spirit, and conclusion with its overcoming of alienation. How is that section unrelated to the process of alienation articulated earlier especially when he brings up production's relationship to said alienation?
