What translation of the Quran should I read? I want to understand what Muslims are actually reading but all of the English translations are either ambiguous in apparent meaning or differ a lot. And this /lit/ chart was not super helpful. Is there a website out there that shows an English translation side my side with the original Arabic? Like this website does for the Bible with Greek and Hebrew.
>>25262645Forgot linkhttps://biblehub.com/
Arberry, he is hands down the best for nearness to the literary quality of the Quran, unless you are a Muslim and foremost want it as an instruction manual in which case the Salafi one incorporates autistic glosses in brackets taken from early scholar interpretstionsBewley's Quran is ideal if you are interested in Maliki Sunnism but otherwise stick to Arberry. She does a lot of translations. Defense Against Disaster is one by her and probably the single best volume of Sunni versus Shia apologeticsThe rest are not worth your time unless you are really interested in studying Islam itself
>>25262645>What translation of the Quran should I read?There are no translations of the Quran. Quran only exists in Arabic.
>>25262645>What translation of the Quran should I readThere's more than 30.
>>25262645islamawakened.netHere is a paper with reviews of 120 translations of the Quranhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/400288583_Towards_Translating_the_Quran_Assessment_of_120_English_Translations_of_the_QuranI think The Quran: A Verse Translation is the modern successor to Arberry If you want one with a lot of notes you can use Nasr's Study Quran or Droge'sIf you want to read it casually you can use Khattab's Clear Quran or Khalidi's
Just go with The Clear Quran, its the best for newbies
>>25262645>shiiteYeah I'm gonna choose this one
>>25262645Anything not translated by a muslim
>>25262645>Is there a website out there that shows an English translation side my side with the original Arabic?https://reader.quranite.com/You can browse 3+1 English translations for a given verse plus see the formal or root occurrences of Arabic words. Very useful. The "+1" in "3+1 English translations" is the original work of the site owner and its quite solid as well, annotated with (mostly) excellent (albeit heterodox) takes on a number of issues.Arberry translation is good but it doesn't give you much context. It is also one of the English translations included in the Quranite website anyway. Go for the Study Quran if you want a comprehensive and traditional understanding of the text: the translation is good, and if you get confused about something there are extensive notes to refer to. I think Muhammad Asad's translation is great, but Asad has a tendency to translate the meaning, though he is careful to provide his reasoning. I suggest using him as a secondary resource for your first reading.Speaking of first reading, you should know that the Qur'an is not ordered chronologically. You will be confused as to what was going on historically as the chapters were revealed. If you want more than just understanding why modern Muslims think and act in certain ways, you should opt for a chronological reading and also read a bit about the historical context (starting with prophet Mohammad's life). Pretty much nothing survives from the 7th century except the Qur'an, and traditional historical narratives cannot be wholly relied upon, but it is a start.Hope this helps.
Just read clear quran. No footnotes, just a fair translation.
>Sufi>DenominationSalafi hooves typed this.
>>25263395>a fair translation.Begging the question.
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>>25262645>Is there a website out there that shows an English translation side my side with the original ArabicQuran.com. corpus.quran.com if you want detailed grammar and etymology etc
>>25262645>Is there a website out there that shows an English translation side my side with the original Arabic? Like this website does for the Bible with Greek and Hebrew.Since, in my opinion, the best translation of the Bible is Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews," we would probably have to find an angry and smart Arab who got captured and converted to Christianity and wrote a book on the history of the Arabs (which would invariably include a 500 page digression: re-telling the Quran).There is no other way, get to work!
>>25263406Translations of the quran aren't, to arabs and moslems, the quran - they're interpretations of. I speak a touch of arabic and read it tolerably. Legacy of a wasted youth. Clear quran captures most of the spirit and poetic bent that the arabic original had and doesn't really play silly buggers around words the way some do and includes the weird bits, warts and all. The secret is that the bits that don't make sense in other languages don't really make sense in the original and everyone is just reeing about it being sacred wisdom we don't comprehend. Sort of like the catholic mysteries of the rosary, but instead of a focus for prayer and contemplation they keep spawning interpretations like refrigeration is haram. Though those people are nuts and so much of islam is just local traditions wrapped in a quranic cloak.
>>25264296It's much more like how Catholics used to be with Latin than the rosary, because Muslim prayer is generally communal and the quran is recited with catillation by the leader of the congregatio
>>25264296>The secret is that the bits that don't make sense in other languages don't really make sense in the original and everyone is just reeing about it being sacred wisdom we don't comprehend.I suspect this explains the reason why a large number of the ahadith originated in the first place: plugging perceived holes in the Qur'an with extraneous narratives (narratives that very often rate barely above fan-fiction).
>>25263291>shiite>Yeah I'm gonna choose this oneI've noticed /lit/ and /his/posters tend to lean towards Shias over Sunnis. Why is that? Is Shia Islam the correct iteration of Islam?
>>25264396Don't be naive, it's just memes and /pol/-bait.
>>25264404Believe it or not, once you get past all the memes and bait there's thoughtful discussion sometimes. And I tend to see Shia Islam is considered more intellectually respectable by non-Muslim posters here
>>25264396Henry Corbin
>>25262645Learn Arabic, Habibi.
>>25264396>I've noticed /lit/ and /his/posters tend to lean towards Shias over Sunnis. Why is that? Is Shia Islam the correct iteration of Islam?No not even close, major Mushriks and shirk going on in Shia>>25262645Noble Quran and follow what the Salaf followed, the first three generations of Muslims
>>25264409>And I tend to see Shia Islam is considered more intellectually respectable by non-Muslim posters hereWell the sects originally split off due to political fragmentation of the early Muslim community. One sect (Sunnism) papers over this fragmentation and says everyone was actually friends and it's haram to to talk about the fighting and killing, whereas the other sect (Shiasm) is literally based on absolute loyalty to the faction of Ali (which is what Shia literally means), and so it doesn't deny the historical reality of division and infighting. So Shiasm is at a minimum more historically honest than Sunnism. Add to that the richer mystical and philosophical traditions among the followers of Ali, and you can see why non-Muslim /lit/ prefers Shias. >>25264411>Henry CorbinHenry Corbin is the perfect example
>>25264396because the shiites have the ability to pour a large fraction of their gdp over decades into building defenses that can defeat the americans and sell airplanes and software to the russians, while sunnis are all israeli stooges. sort of like how papists work hand in glove with the government on importing economic migrants to compete with them and baptists organize their own communities then send missionaries
>>25264434>follow what the Salaf followed, the first three generations of MuslimsThey slaughtered eachother and didn't agree on much
>>25264435>richer mystical and philosophical traditionsalgazel and averroes were sunni while avicenna was shia, these were the muslims aquinas quoted
>>25264396Sufi is probably closer to the spirit of the original. Which is deeply funny as they were usually at the bow wave of, and laid the ground work for, muslim expansion. Then the other muslims rolled in, said HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS ARE HERETICS and killed all the sufi they could find. And half the locals.
>>25264684According to Henri Corbin, Sufis are basically the Shias of the Sunnis. But the spiritual mysticism which is the defining characteristic of the Sufis is already a part of Shia Imami teachings
>>25262690According to Muslims, the Quran existed before Arabic was even invented.
hot take: all of the wests problems would go away if we embraced islam
>>25264857This stems from Sunnis making an essence-energies distinction and seeing both as eternal. If God spoke the Quran then his speaking it is his energy and there always existed. By extension of Sunni logic I mean
>>25264861But then we'd be left with the problem of Islam itself.
>>25262645all korans are piles of shit only good for burning
>>25264296>The secret is that the bits that don't make sense in other languages don't really make sense in the original and everyone is just reeing about it being sacred wisdom we don't comprehend.Very talmud of them!>>25264377He is talking about the mysteries of the rosary, not the rosary itselfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Mysteries_of_the_Rosarywhich makes me think, combined with the fact that he considers being a muslim a mistake, that that anon is a paki who reverted to street-shitter religion.A few centuries can't just erase millennia of public defecation, sister-fucking, and crime-as-religion.
>>25264396It's probably the closest to a proper interpretation. Sunnis just make stuff up as they go (like rabbinical jews or protestants).
>>25265286Surprisingly, no. I was born a jew, though I've had nothing to do with it since I was a teen at the latest. And I'm practically elderly these days.If you want a religion I do attend morning mass, but I'm unbaptised and don't take communion. I enjoy the atmosphere and message. But I have serious issues with the theology, and not just the normal stuff like the syriophoenician woman (for perhaps obvious reasons). I'm more inclined toward calling most religion an expression of an ineffable truth guiding us toward a fragment of a higher transcendant principle - law, compassion, submission, etc. One we'll never grasp. But genuine faith in it is the way. Like Meister Eckhardt or Ibn Arabi.Wait. That basically is street shitter religion mixed with Julius Evola. Fuck. Brb, going to hang myself before I get a prescription monocle.
>>25265405>I was born a jew, though I've had nothing to do withsee >>25265286>A few centuries can't just erase millennia of public defecation, sister-fucking, and crime-as-religion.Instead of repenting, you are digging your hole deeper.
>>25265424I'll disagree with two, but crime as religion I'll agree with.
>>25264857According to Muslims, all of creation is contained within the Quran
>>25264396Shia is the contrarian version of Islam that enables intellectual grandstanding and lineages of esoteric secret teachingIt would be like if Rosicrucianism was a large Christian Denomination in the West
>>25265445Yeah, that wasn't specific to you, but I could not quote selectively just to refute the "nothing to do with" point. Thank you for understanding.
>>25265457Jews, too. Sort of. Hebrew is the language God used for creation.
>>25262645rodwell
