>Indian social programmes telling their poors to have no more than 2 babies is actually eugenics.

I should study American politics to discover exactly what leads to such brainrot. What can be the intention behind this (besides, "look, the opposing tribal team is just as evil as we are").

Truly smart people understand the clear limitations of the "IQ" test.

Refutation
>The Mismeasure of Man - Stephen J Gould
>Inequality by design, cracking the bell curve myth. -Ficher, Hout et. Al.
>How Heritability Misleads about Race- Ned Block.
>Race , Genetics and Pseudoscience: an explainer - Ewan Birney et. Al.
>Intelligence, Genes and Success: Scientists respond to The Bell Curve

/thread

>>25262829
Sure, but they're not what you think they are.
>>25262833
These are fucking terrible, at least try. I'm surprised you didn't include the abortion known as "Guns, Germs, and Steel" too.

>>25262837
You never read any of those books althoughbeit

>>25262844
You haven't either

>>25262845
I accept your concession

>>25262844
I (mostly) did but it's been a decade. They're garbage. Gould especially is a fucking moron.

>>25262837
>they're.......le BAD

lol k XD

>>25262821
it's a bunch of unqualified gibberish. people just want it to be true

>>25262833
>Stephen J Gould
Wasn't he disgraced from academia for plagiarism or lying or some unethical action?

>>25262833
Just looking at these titles
>mismeasure
paltering, and equivocation
>inequality
first word is about religious beliefs
>misleads
posits himself as shephard
>pseudoscience
a buzzword
>scientists
ad hominem

>>25262821
Guys, we JUST had this thread. This is a repost. you’re all getting baited

>>25262829
Smart person here and I can attest that IQ is pseudoscientific rubbish which literally tests how well you can score on an IQ test

>>25262983
>scientists
>ad hominem
Calling Murray a scientist is an ad hominem to actual scientists

>>25262821
Not this shit again

>>25262821
Oh boy, another thread.

>>25262821
*starts faggotism*

>>25262821
Post recs, I want to learn about genes pls.

>>25262999
IQ tests reflect familiarity with Western cultural assumptions and middle/upper class educational environments

>>25263221
give an example of this? then give a hypothetical example of a test that reflects eastern working class cultural assumptions as an alternative?

>>25263231
A common example critics point to is vocabulary, analogy, or pattern recognition questions that assume familiarity with Western middle-class schooling, symbols, or habits.

For example, an analogy question like:
“Regatta is to boat as derby is to ____.”

A student from an upper-middle-class Western environment may have encountered both terms through media, schooling, or family culture. Someone equally intelligent from a rural or poorer background — especially outside Anglo-American culture — may never have heard either word. The question ends up partly measuring cultural exposure rather than abstract reasoning alone.
Another example is “general knowledge” sections historically found in some intelligence tests:
“Who wrote Hamlet?”
“What is the capital of France?”
Those correlate strongly with schooling and cultural exposure, not just raw reasoning ability.
Critics also argue that timed testing itself reflects industrialized Western educational norms: rapid individual performance under artificial time pressure.

A hypothetical “Eastern working-class” culturally loaded test might instead assume familiarity with densely social, practical, or labor-oriented environments. For example:
recognizing kinship obligations in multigenerational households,
optimizing space in crowded living conditions,
bargaining logic in informal markets,
memorizing social hierarchies or indirect communication cues,
repairing tools from incomplete materials,
coordinating group tasks rather than individual competition.
You could imagine a question like:
“A family of seven shares a two-room apartment during a holiday gathering. Elder relatives must be prioritized according to age and status. What is the most socially appropriate sleeping arrangement?”
Or:
“A street vendor has fluctuating prices, limited refrigeration, and three customers bargaining simultaneously. What pricing strategy maximizes long-term trust and profit?”
Someone raised in that environment might solve these effortlessly because the assumptions are embedded in daily life, while a Western suburban student could appear less “intelligent” despite equal reasoning capacity.

>>25263236
sadly, the ai u cut and pasted that from gave u an example from a sat test, not an iq test. iq tests use abstract patterns, not any human language. interesting that ur so sure about what iq tests test, yet don't seem to know how they work tho.

>>25263239
uhhhhhh ill take uhhhh large popcorn.... and uhhhhhh coke

>>25263239
Nigga there are online iq tests that straight up test English vocabulary. Dafuq you on about.

>>25263249
>online iq test
take a real iq test, clown

>>25263256
Which one did you take?

>>25263258
idk i was a little kid they didn't tell me the type, but there was some abstract pattern recognition shit, some open ended rorschach shit which might have indeed been testing vocabulary, and then it had a "block design" segment that i didn't finish in time, guess i got filtered since they told my parents i only got 135. at least it showed i wasn't cognitively impaired tho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_design_test

>>25263267
>idk
>I was a little kid
>might have indeed been testing vocabulary
Kek

>>25263239
>. iq tests use abstract patterns, not any human language.
Someone should've told that to Murray's neo-nazi friends performing iq tests on African students, whose results he draws from

>>25262983
>class structure
marxism
>american
obese

>>25262821
it didnt. the reason it didnt is that liberalism is calvinism in which if you dont push the blue button you fear non inclusion, but theres a taboo against saying hell, and you can only say soul sometimes. whether or not an honest man can believe that the dei employee can perform his stated function, inclusion means inclusion in the democratic party voting, inclusion in the race to the bottom with h1b indentures and refugees, inclusion in the out of control housing costs, inclusion in the sterility of an inclusive sex market where exclusivity is strictly voluntary and temporary. to destroy liberalism you need to uphold exclusionism. my wife, my son, my daughter, my house, my career, my country. it means taking the name of Christ and not in vain, there is no such thing as a dei Christian, but anyone who is a Christian by definition believes that the Bible is normative

>>25263293
>Someone should've told that to Murray's neo-nazi friends performing iq tests on African students, whose results he draws from
psychology and the psychologists, to whom iq testing is entrusted even though psychometrics is actively hated by psychology and and psychologists, are thoroughly jewish, and while they find schvartsas to have low iq's, they find themselves to have high iq's. when nazis report that jews have decided that blacks have low iq's and jews have high iq's, they mean precisely that, and that therefore affirmative action is contrary to meritocracy and the fiduciary duty of the corpos. liberals not giving a damn about the concept of meritocracy they began with was increasingly open from the middle of the last century until now

>>25262829
Limited it may be, but it remains one of the best predictors of success in cognitively demanding activities and explains more outcome variance in academic/career performance than just about any other psychometric measure

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>>25262821
>*ends leftism*
actually

>>25265056
You haven't read a single book in that chart. In fact you haven't read the words in that article itself.

>>25262828
Eugenics isn't even a bad idea, it just fails in execution, as those most keen on it are the ones who wish to survive its rulings the most.
A state mandated eugenics will almost inevitably result in 'better taxpayers', and this is a disaster to the species and civilization.
Sociopaths and inbred machiavellians will use jurisdiction to classify themselves above the framing, sabotaging the entire project.

So a human-led eugenics needs to take place; this is known as beauty.

>>25265540
fuck off dumb ass

>>25265542
Read the post before you kneejerk it.
>Klaus Schwabenstein and Bill Gatesberg declare anybody else as 'excess'

>>25265543
ok.
you are a dumb fuck.
ok.

>>25265548
>circumcised line of thought
Eww- must be a jew.

>>25263365
To think that obesity is a freedom-led conclusion and not a mandated policy to pacify and poison the masses is the folly of gullibility.

>>25262821
IQ isn't the most value we can find in a person, as many of the proponents of the dreaded Bell Curve declare.
Instead, it is beauty. Beauty is a consequence of harmonic convergence of habits, breeding patterns, perception, culture and awareness.

It is no wonder that it is the ugly people at fault for most ills humanity faces. The uglier sex is the negro of the sexes - rapine, violence, excuses, opportunism and seeing all things womanly and girly as 'acting white'.

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>>25263128
+ Horse, Wheel & Language if you want to go deep

>>25262833
In Germany, there is a translation of the "Mismeasure of Man" but no translation of the Bell Curve itself. This is everything you need to know. They want you to know the contra argument but not the actual point.
>>25262821
As far as I know, this book is not as controversial as it was depicted to be.

There is only a brief mention of the spicy topics; the rest is mostly dry economic and statistical material..

>>25265601
The Bell curve was written in response to the Mismeasure of Man. So ironically it's the actual point they want you to see and not the counter argument.

>There is only a brief mention of the spicy topics; the rest is mostly dry economic and statistical material..
The book leaves enough bread crumbs to lead to certain conclusions without saying them out loud. There's a reason this thread exists

>>25262833
What's the likelihood this is all coping?
That the writers couldn't stand the idea that people might be genetically distinct, and that intelligence is hereditary?
They came to a disarray since their three objects of worship clash: intellect, equality and work.
The myth is that we're all the same in value, ranked by our choices in life. Intellect is likewise 'earned' by our institutions and our mystical gifts bestowed by non-genetic heritance.

Of course a race that is distinctly less intelligent would disappoint the god of equality, unless we all join them via lobotomy (fluoride works for this), or through the humiliation of lying- and turning our intelligence against itself for sacred equality. Sophistry is a great tool for this.
A smart 120 iq leftist can win arguments against a 100 iq right winger, but will never admit to flawed premises.

It's all so disturbingly animalistic on the internet.
Such is the nature of cynicism; a type of self-defeating cannibalism - the ouroboros is undefeated.

>>25265601
Isn't Gould a hardcore feminist and socialist?

>>25265615
>The book leaves enough bread crumbs to lead to certain conclusions without saying them out loud.
If so, I get a lot more interested in it than before.
I love this kind of writing. This anti-censorship attempts.

>>25265638
i suggest you just use I AM A RACIST ASSHOLE as your trip.
makes it easier for the rest of us, asshole.

>>25265643
If reality is racist, you reject it.
Such is the life of a fanatic.

There are way more important matters in this world.

>>25265652
but its not
so fuck off.

>>25265643
You stupid hypocrit.
When somebody in the 18 or 19 century use this method to avoide censorship and subvert that then ruling actual racists sociencty, you would be so fine with it.

I'm not a racist, btw. I've friends of different groups.

I just hate censorship and political correct gags.

>>25265659
Reality is extremely racist, so much so that you can't draw it, take pictures of it or comment on it without being racist.
Thus, the social sphere is stuck like crabs in a barrel - dragging everybody down to the lowest ego, to avoid the feeling of loss; their team must win.

Hah, it's so ridiculous.
Even fantasy and fiction are being morphed towards the ultimate sameness of ugly blobs.

>>25265667
I say this as a being who wants more races and more distinctions.
Though the evil baby torture race must be done away with, every other race shows value in their being.

>>25265667
Bullshit.
Even if there are differences, humans are obiviously more similar than different, as your daily experience warrent.

>>25265667
no.
not in the slightest. racism isnt being aware of difference. racism is inventing a degrading hierarchy of being based on superficial differences.
simple as. read the manifesto.

>>25265716
>racism is inventing a degrading hierarchy of being
Perhaps it used to be, alas, this is a stretch today and is itself seen as racist by the main users of the term.
Racism is a highly opportunistic offensive illusion spell used as a 'no u' move by homo sapiens, neanderthals and erectus.
>based on superficial differences.
There are no superficial differences. 72 to 105 average IQs produce wildly distinct and comprehensible differences. As you'd expect- they are both exceedingly low numbers, but the triple digit average is able to amount to much more cohesion and organization, resulting in a wider range of functions and institutions that can run. When one population cannot comprehend the purpose of wells and another can, there will be a non-superficial difference in the quality of life.

Is penis size superficial or a very real difference? Facial beauty? Balding? Even shapes are not superficial! They are highly contested and aggravating traits. The women of the Red race fell in love with European beards. Alas, I see body hair as a subhuman trait, but it does track- women love subhuman traits on their parners, hence why men are a gender of Shreks; hideous and terrifying in behavior and form.

If we acknowledge what we are dealing with, we can shape reality. But only after.

>>25265696
>Even if there are differences, humans are obiviously more similar than different
Similarity is not needed for valuation.
I want more human species, more human races, more human cultures.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
This is an amalgamation of humans to the lowest common denominator, to become computerized units of abstracted value, procedurally and systematically sublimated and anaesthetized into slop.
It devours cultures and people- and even then, the dominant alleles reign. Where is equality?

>>25265803
shut the fuck up, dumb ass
we have no patience for you

>>25262821
do Richard and Charles know they are the locus of zoomer racism?

>>25265813
You have no case beyond blind judgment.
You have become what you have always claimed to hate.

>>25265696
>Even if there are differences, humans are obiviously more similar than different,
>>>/wsg/6144255
Not quite. Read the Epstein files. You'll find that the neanderthal race is vile and disgusting, shouldn't be permitted life.

How can IQ refute leftism when people with high IQ statistically skew to the left?

>>25265815
shut the fuck up, bitch

>>25265833
The white race is a deeply religious race, and is willing to sacrifice its intellect to reach the holy state of equality.
They will use every point of IQ they have to come with excuses, convoluted schemes etc. to validate their dysfunctional religion - be it marxism or capitalism.

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>>25265833
People are hypocrites.

>>25265837
shut the fuck up retard

>>25265838
Are you saying these high IQ leftists are voting right wing?

>>25265833
what's the source? or is this just vibes based?

>>25265842
>We're all equal but we're better than you!

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You can know things are true, and still try to structure the world as if they are not, because you think it is the right thing to do.

This belief can be based on religion, or deep-seated morality (usually downstream of religion). Personally my diagnosis of the ills of western civilization is a downstream impact of slave morality from Christian doctrine, so pervasive that even the atheists in the system hold it. This provides good as well, it provides the protestant work ethic that built the west's advantage.

Or did it? Maybe it was inherent in the western man himself. Who can say...

>>25265869
This is called chutzpah when it's intentional.
When it's unconscious, it's cognitive dissonance.

>>>/wsg/6144272
Look at that. Equality at work.

>>25265880
Doing the right thing even when it inconveniences you and you're anonymous is either the culmination of slave morality or the opposite of it.
Just as masquerading as a moral person when you're anything but is the culmination of master morality and slave morality.
The dichotomy is broken anyway. There is no clear way to be, but lying and betraying the self feel like a dip in Ganges.

>>25265619
>What's the likelihood this is all coping?
There is a huge possibility that the writers certainly do have their biases. But sometimes those biases come from facts.

For example a left winger who believes in evolution, is objectively correct over a right winger who believes that man and dinosaur walked together. No amount of pointing out political biases by the latter will change the fact that the latter case is just objectively wrong.

>That the writers couldn't stand the idea that people might be genetically distinct, and that intelligence is hereditary?
Neither of these are the points that Bell Curve is making. Nor are these the points that the aforementioned works are debunking.

>Of course a race that is distinctly less intelligent would disappoint the god of equality,

The main point is that iq differences between two samples of people may always exist but such assessments are meaningless in and of themselves.

Let's say research shows that the average white New Yorker has higher iq than the average white Salt Laker. Does that mean there is something essential about being a New Yorker (like some special New Yorker Gene) that makes them smarter than a Salt Laker?

Of course not. That's absurd. But that's the argument race realist are making. That there is something essentially. unique to blacks that make thems dumber by default. This is just repackaged racism.

The 5 Races are ultimately social categories not biological or genetic ones. Their overlap with biological traits is purely historically co-incidental. So iq differences between them is first and foremost a social question not a biological one.

When race realists talk about iq differences between races they presume that humanity actually is ESSENTIALLY divided between these 5 races. Thus this becomes a circular argument. Where fundamental 5 racial categorisation is first assumed and then they are "proven" by testing attributes among these groups.

But of course this is absurd as out Salt Lake vs New York example showed. Any randomly selected group of people tested for an attributed would obviously show some variance from another group of people.

>>25265893
>is objectively correct over a right winger who believes that man and dinosaur walked together.
Have you seen a cassowary? I jest, I jest.

>>25265893
>The 5 Races are ultimately social categories not biological or genetic ones.
That's wrong. Biologists are afraid to voice out the obvious truth, as they are depersoned, deplatformed and lose their jobs. We live in tyranny that views all goyim as cattle that should mix together and fight in controlled manner.

>Their overlap with biological traits is purely historically co-incidental.
Impossible. Traits are hereditary. If you want culture as a distinct world outside of biology, I'd tell you to look at each family as a self-cultivation pattern. Some love work, others are made to love it, some love to learn, others cannot be forced to it...
Fights and breeding are what typically solve the conundrums. Cultures weed out certain biological characteristics, favoring others. We are all wired to favor our own kin as well, but have come to learn why too much leaning on that is harmful, whether in inbreeding or tribal warfare.
>So iq differences between them is first and foremost a social question not a biological one.
IQ is 80% genetic, and intelligence is not the condition for being lovable and valuable.

>>25265638
It would've been fine if it wasn't supplement with dubious research.
>>25265814
Considering the fact that they draw extensively from sources that are associated with eugenicist programmes and Canadian Neo-nazis, I'd say they have an idea.

>>25265880
Stoicism is in many ways slave morality, predating Christianity.
Life is harsh, and there has never been a clear cut way to prepare the next generation for it. Many a times the initiation rite became too cruel for the children, and they cultivated forms of self-betrayal instead of learning the empowerment meant for the rite.
Example: murder your pet pig.
How many master moralists survived this challenge?

Now we have psychopaths (amoral, or immoral at best) larping as the holders of master morality. The masses become cynical instead of cultivating power or morality themselves.

>>25265907
>Impossible. Traits are hereditary
This does not contradict what I've said. Traits are hereditary but the 5 races are not fundamentally defined by those traits. They are social structures.

>IQ is 80% genetic
Murray came up with 60% number and even that was dubious at best.

>>25266041
>Traits are hereditary but the 5 races are not fundamentally defined by those traits.
They are and you can't mistake a black and white person because of their inherent genetic qualities.

>>25266069
>you can't mistake a black and white person
As it turns out, you can.