I don't have the time to research every world view in depth and weigh which one is best. Just give me your elevator pitch why one is better than the others.These seem to be the options:>Western Christianity>Eastern Christianity>Marxism>Fascism>Objectivism>Anarcho-Capitalism
>>25264138I'm not sure if all of these can be classified as world-views, because fascism doesn't seek out to answer all the questions of the world in the way religion does. Speaking of which, if you aren't a believer then it doesn't matter which denomination of Christianity you choose. Otherwise go with Eastern because it's more true to the Bible and has retained more mysticism (which, at the very least, can be entertaining).
>>25264138My personal preference is Marxism. I believe out of these it applies the most to our immediate sensuous modern world.
>>25264138Daoism>things go everywhere all at once all the time>just find your own frequency and get along with the world doing its thing, dude
>>25264138Secular liberalism, for it has the greatest track record out of any ideology ever.
>>25264239Going with the flow is what dead fish do.
>>25264250Terrible bait. Do better. Not subtle at ALL.
>>25264250Secular liberalism is just the political aspect of Western Christianity.
>>25264138>Marxismgay>Fascismgay>Objectivismvery gay>Anarcho-CapitalismExtremely gay holy shit>Western ChristianityDepends>Eastern ChristianityAbsolutely but assuming you're american it's gonna be really unfamiliar to what you're accustomed to albeit it is the Truth
>>25264666>Eastern Orthodox shill>666Kekky
>>25264138Ok, so, imagine you are on board an interstellar cruise ship and on board there is a post scarcity society where labor has been rendered unnecessary. Some pixar movie already did this, but we can steelman the Axiom so that not absolutely everyone looks aesthetically unappeasing, which seems to be the main point of contention among the masses, the other being that tgey do not have ultimate say in governence, which is automated by an advanced AI with a directive to prevent harm. Other than that, you are free to do whatever you want, pursue whatever mindless and sophisticated passion for virtually no reason, since there really isn't any noticable payoff in any way if you do x or y. You won't actually gain much recognition but you will get pleasure.Now ask yourself: do you like living in this pleasure dome? If not, then you'll have to ask yourself how you want to change this and what the problem with this is. Because it certainly isn't material lack and it also isn't really lack of autonomy in the modern liberal/marxian sense since any change you will impose will bring less autonomy. Why? Suppose you make and enforce a rule that everyone has to rotate maintanence work in some form. Then suppose that a good number of people start protesting and demanding that you abolish job A because it has a hazard rate of, like, 2.78%. Now, if you give these people an inch, they will eventually take a mile and you'll be right back where you started. In fact, any artificial difficulty, obstacle, or hardship you impose on this decadent and moribund society can become a point of contention and there is a possibility that people will demand you remove it.But you cannot remove them. Otherwise, you'll fall back into the same state you wanted to get out of. Their demands will have to be ignored. You will need a police force or an army to protect the laws, as Aristotle would say. You will need what the public calls "Fascism."
>>25264138The only world view that matters is "might makes right".
>>25264731Is that enough of a world view though? How does "might makes right" tell you what to do particularly? Seems more descriptive rather than normative.
>>25264723You are basically describing the life of the average NEET here. They've relegated their governence to an outside force and they live off of other people's work (instead of robots) .Otherwise nice case against Fascism you've made here
>>25264756It's not actually a case against fascism. I didn't give any arguments that fascism is bad, only that it would be necessary unless you want to maintain the status quo of a post scarcity hedonistic society where there is no meaningful payoff in anything you do.Also, this is not actually the life of the average NEET since they do not live in a post scarcity society where everything they do has no meaningful difference in payoff. They are very much obstructed, and that is a steo in the right direction, as Engels said regarding the hypothetical extermination of the slavs.
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>>25264735>tell you what to do particularlyDo things that secure more might for yourself. Other than that, it is entirely up to you or whoever is mightiest how else things should be. You create your own meaning.
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>>25264782>I didn't give any arguments that fascism is bad, >Post scarcity society>Everyone chilling out>Fascist comes in>Get's everyone to work, because reasons>People protest because it's clearly retarded>Get shot by Gestapo policeHow is this not a case against fascism?>this is not actually the life of the average NEET since they do not live in a post scarcity society where everything they do has no meaningful difference in payoffWhat makes you think there is a meaningful payoff in doing something fro a NEET, that also does not exist in a post scarcity society
>>25264138Protestant Christianity is easy* and free with a rich intellectual tradition but also an easy-to-follow set of core doctrines and commandments for people who are not intellectually motivated.*the hardest1 part about Protestant Christianity is that most people are not well prepared for the radical freedom it offers you and would rather live within overly specific codified set of laws2. Which is still ok if your a Protestant. 1: actually, the hardest part is Loving God and Loving your neighbor, in that order2:That's not to say that there are no laws but that these laws are signposts and guiderails to help the Christian live the good life. It's not autistic stuff like prescribing the number of times you must pray or a strict calendar of rituals/ceremonies you must observe
>>25264969Depends on one's definition of might and the context might is used in otherwise it doesnt really mean anything. Someone can very easily beat a pen pushing middle manager on the street but he can make someone's life hell and get them fired under the right circunstances. There is no definitive way to "gain might" even if you somehow became your country's mighty dictator you're probably way busier and weaker than you were before alongside being a target of way more people seeking to end you
>>25264969>Do things that secure more might for yourself.It doesn't say that though. The term "might makes right" does not say that one should accumulate more "might." There's another normative oremise in there somewhere that cannot be reduced to "might makes right."Come one. I thought /lit/ was supposed to be smart.>>25265519That foes not amount to a criticism of fascism. It says that if you want to move away from a meaningless and decadent post-scarcity society like the Axiom in Wall-E then you need to set down non-negotiable rules. However, one can argue that if this is what fascism is, then even that society is fascist since even that society needs a state and that state will have non-negotiable directives.>What makes you think there is a meaningful payoff in doing something fro a NEET, that also does not exist in a post scarcity societyFor example, if a NEET decides to go through the pain and hardship of becoming educated or skilled, then it will be met with a change in his way of life to start with and he will be able to attain some things which he would not have attained had he chosen to be a shut in NEET. In a post-scarcity society there is no meaningful difference or change depending on what you decide to do. Your entire life amounts to browsing a shopping mall where all of the products are free and unlimited. You might get pleasure, but it will require no effort, and you will likely not get much recognition. There won't be any incentive to better yourself, no competition for rank, nor even a possibility of spiritual transcendence, if you care at all about that.
>>25265874>. It says that if you want to move away from a meaningless and decadent post-scarcity society like the Axiom in Wall-EAnd the solution is do get them to do pointless things for unfathomable reasons with a completey avoidable and unnecessary 2.78% chance of injury? Sounds like pointless suffering for the sake of suffering.This is an incorrect assessment of fascism because...1. Fascism does not manage a post scarcity society. It manages a society with scarcity. So what they with the SS and the police makes a lot more sense do makes a lot of sense. 2. The suffering it inflicts on it's subjects is not this pointless. It has a point. The point is to bleed the working class to create a commodity infused life for the middle and upper classes. And maybe hope that the productivity born from all that culture of discipline and hard labour creates something for the slaves as well. In that regard fascism is a result of a society living under scarcity. A post scarcity society has no need for such things.
>>25265874>There won't be any incentive to better yourself, no competition for rank, nor even a possibility of spiritual transcendence, if you care at all about that.Wait, what? How does removing the monetary incentive remove all that? Rather than living in a state of mind-numbing slavery like we do now, where all of our time is spent on making money, we could instead choose to pursue artistic, spiritual, transcendent interests, like the aristocrats of the past used to.
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>>25266112>How does removing the monetary incentive remove all that?Not merely the monetary incentive. Any incentive whatsoever. You have effectively temoved all hardship and effort from this society and nothing you do will lead to any meaningfull difference or payoff compared to when you chose not to do it. >Rather than living in a state of mind-numbing slavery like we do nowYou are not a slave. Slavery is a legal term with a history. You are not a nigger picking cotton in a field. Even Engels admits this though he considers the worker to live a more abject existence because he is like a whore, apparently, while the slave is more dignified because he is like an object that doesn't have to struggle for existence. All of our time is not merely spent on making ends meet, you have leisure and you can make a living by cultivating a skill.>we could instead choose to pursue artistic, spiritual, transcendent interests, like the aristocrats of the past used to.We could, but there would be no incentive to do it. You will not create any meaningful difference in your environment when you do so and there will be no payoff except pleasure, which goes against the very idea of transcendence. It will be a mindless consumerism. Abstracting aristocrats out of their actual environment and putting them in a post-scarcity society abuses the term and misunderstands their eay of life while also conveniently ignoring the decadent ones. You will not be an aristocrat. You will just be some guy who does not have to do anything but consume. If humans are as hyperindividualistic as you seem to think, then nothing I say will have meaning, but I do not believe they are such.
>>25266393Cont. We should also keep in mind that this hypotgetical post-scarcity society where everyone can do what they want implies the abscence of duty and social expectations. But if you think that we should not get rid of these things, then you have to deal with the same problem: what do you do if people start demanding their abolishment? Do you assent to their demands or do you deny them? If you deny them, you will need a police force at least.
>>25264138Rational self interest has the best outcomes and doesn't require much out of you except occasionally checking your baser impulses with "what is the long term outcome if I do this?"
>>25264138>deliberately left out RengismEnjoy your comfortless application of Marx.
