Excerpts>All these consequences are contained in the definition that the worker is related to the product of his labour as to an alien object. For on this premise it is clear that the more the worker spends himself, the more powerful the alien objective world becomes which he creates over-against himself, the poorer he himself—his inner world-becomes, the less belongs to him as his own.>political economy – despite its worldly and voluptuous appearance – is a true moral science, the most moral of all the sciences. Self-renunciation, the renunciation of life and of all human needs, is its principal thesis. The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, i.e., the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being.>every person speculates on creating a new need in another, so as to drive him to a fresh sacrifice, to place him in a new dependence and to seduce him into a new mode of gratification and therefore economic ruin. Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potency of mutual swindling and mutual plundering. Man becomes ever poorer as man; his need for money becomes ever greater if he wants to overpower hostile being; and the power of his money declines exactly in inverse proportion to the increase in the volume of production: that is, his neediness grows as the power of money increases.
>>25264515I will read this next after getting done with German Ideology. But man his writing is hard to go through
>>25264523Do you read much philosophy? I find him far easier to read and understand than most philosophers.
>>25264515Why have there been so many Marx spam threads as of recent? I’m beginning to think it’s a raid.
>>25264570Raids take up half the catalog, newfag
>>25264567No I don't actually. I know he is clearer than Hegel or post-modernists, which is why I try at all. But still, some sentences just take time to absorb. Likely not because of the language but because of the ideas.
the second and third paragraph kind of contradict each other, and the first paragraph is just woo. hopefully op wasn't sending marx's best.
>>25264570It’s a necessary corrective measure to rightists and tradcaths. Which is really too bad because even they could learn a lot from him. Smart rightoids read Marx, even Steve fucking Bannon uses Marxist ideas, let alone someone like Nick Land.
>>25264614The first paragraph is about labor alienation, how the activities a laborer performs are severed from his being because they don't belong to him, they belong to his employer, and thus though he is performing the labor it isn't his labor, and this alienation of him from his labor also alienates the products which become the boulder of Sisyphus. The second paragraph is about acquiring capital, the third is about use value. One is about someone seeking to climb or maintain their class, the other is about the laborer who lacks that capability and only has enough disposable income dor consumerism
>>25264647yeah i know what the paragraphs are "about". what i'm saying is that they are stupid.
>>25264667Then you believe they are wrong?
>>25264667Really? Alienation is one of the most obviously noticeable thing in all this.
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>>25264679>BuzzwordReddit.com is that way --->>>
>>25264696>leftist raiding /lit/ calls others redditur not too good at this are u?
>>25264698Fuck off tourist
>>25264703yeah ok dude. thanks for reminding me how fucking stupid marx is tho.
>>25264705>Doesn't even deny itSeethe + cope. And don't forget to dilate
>>25264698/pol/'s was born out of Epstein meeting with moot, and its board culture was largely shaped by raids from Stormfront, also most likely a fed project
>>25264515>never did a day's labour in his life>claims to have an insight into the minds of workersMarx is like a virgin talking about sex.
>>25264819Marx was asked by workers to write their manifesto for them, I don't understand how you don't see his extensive research and writing and lectures as labor. He academic labor but he didn't sell it because he did it out of conviction, even though it led to Germany exiling him.
>>25264819>journalism isn't workguess that disqualifies a LOT of authors
>>25264906>the Communist League was a workers' organisation
>>25264926I said "labour," not work.Why aren't you commie rats capable of the most basic honesty?
>>25264819kinda like you talking about writing, huh cunt?funny that. its called irony.
>>25264633>necessary corrective measurethis seems accurate
>>25264927>labor unionists weren't labor
Why do so many anti-Marx posts resemble sound bites from early 2000's right-wing radio talk shows? That's really not an efficacious means to converse on the board for books. Can't you guys debate more substantially like citing actually competent arguments from philosophers or economists?
>>25264971a century and a half of western capitalist ideological propaganda. SAD.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
>>25264971it's so loaded with emotional language. not really interested in engaging with it.
>>25264931who exactly uses labor to mean physical labor exclusively, how doesn't that STILL disqualify a shitton of authors, and in what way am i even being dishonest
>>25264971>citing actually competent arguments from philosophers or economistsmarx said that his concept of community of women was already realized among the bourgeoisie who did lots of adultery and divorce. william luther pierce in the 90's said that marxs community of women concept was sweeping away the old economic arrangement of marriage and pierce wrote in the turner diaries about what that community of women could look like, a bunch of girls in pods for the mary sue character to engage in political intercourse with after a hard day of anti government activism
>>25264515COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>25264515CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>25265006>can't distinguish the New Left from Marxismngmi
>>25265018i don't understand, why does this include bukharin, stalin, kautsky and cockshott alongside hoppe and the heritage foundation??
>>25265042I don't understand your questionI did lots of internet searching and picked the pdfs that looked best did some skimming reviewing etc
I am working on a taxonomy of the leftists that spam /lit/, so far I have identified:- One that posts in all lowercase and has regular meltdowns- One that posts these long quote threads and no actual opinion (the OP)- One that posts fake chud threads where he lists a bunch of authors- One that has never read Kapital and posts over and over "read the manifesto" and gets irate when you tell him to read KapitalI will continue to monitor these indivuals
>>25264971>Why do anti-Marx posts resemble sound bites from early 2000's right-wing radio talk shows?>>25265006>starts screeching about wimminz and posts a stonetoss comic he has savedYou just have to laugh sometimes
>>25265070kek i have never gotten irate about that. ive just havent finished reading DK and think very, very highly of the manifesto and find a surprising amount of comments, in fact most typical anti-marx comments, are explicitly addressed in the manifesto and are woefully, woefully ignorant of this most simple basic text.read the manifesto. simple as.
>>25265225You labour (lol) under the assumption that anti-marxist tourists from truthsocial like these guys>>25265070>>25264819 actually read
>>25265493true.better just sit about and wait for my patron's checks to roll in. peace, good anon.
>>25264926>journalismPetite bourgeois pastime.
>>25265518what an utterly stupid thing to sayare you a bot?
>>25264515Marxist economy ignores both, strict logical reasoning and empirical facts.They rely on the misguided idea of "added value". As the retards simply defines any profit as a form of exploitation, a theft of the added value created by workers, which cannot be true. If you confront Marxoids with counterarguments, such as examples of labor that is obviously not worthwhile despite requiring a great deal of effort, they simply change the definition.Marxioids ignores sexual competition and so on, too. In their ideology, this simply doesn't toke place.
>>25265493I have a Political Science degree and have read more Marx than 99% of Marxists
>>25265611holy shit its so funny reading your post because i can see the old ass crippled tho trying to move but giving up half way.sad. tragic. but holy fucking lol fuck you.
>>25265611SEXUAL COMPETITION.bros, you in this weekend?
I am now realising the lower case leftoid is the same one that hasn't read Kapital. Noted.
>>25265611Marxism considers all value to be a reflection of the socially average labor required for something. The explanation and detailed argument for this is given in chapter 1, volume one of capitalWasted labor is covered in chapter 1, volume one of capital.Before there can be exchange value, there must be use value. Use value is qualitative and purely subjective, but once you are producing use value for others, then you are engaging in social labor, at which point the socially average labor time required to produce what you produce can be used as exchange value with other goods, which is estimated by price. The explanation and argument for this can be found in chapter 1, volume one of capital.
>>25264570trannypolers have open wounds in their crotch were they used to have functional genitals. they're unable to go outside because of this. so they spend all their waking time spamming the internet with an irrelevant ideology
>>25265611marx poster logger - log this dumb anon and his post
