Sehr geehrte, hochverehrte Damen und Herren, werte Kolleginnen und Kollegen — ich darf Sie hiermit zu unserer heutigen Sitzung auf das Allerherzlichste begrüßen.Share your developments of esoterik kantianism
my dad thinks i'm a retard
>>25265914well, ARE YOU???
>>25265930
There sind no Damen hier.
>>25266017Entschuldigung bitte
Learning to read German has been surprisingly easy. Just learn the grammar from a textbook, memorize a thousand of the really common words, then read your guy. Keep a list of any word you look up and spend 10 minutes reviewing it before sleep, you don’t even need to hardcore memorize it.
>>25266032thank you for that contribution brother anon
>>25266035Wir alle werden es machen.
>>25266032Are you sure about that? On reddit they say it takes years of study to read writers like Kant.
>>25266057Reddit is a site where retarded people pretend to be smart. At its best 4chan is where relatively smart people pretend to be retards. I can’t read fluently yet but no way will it take years, maybe one year.
>>25266063>______is a site where retarded people pretend to be smart.Most people would fill in the blank with 4chins
What do we think is the key verse from Kant’s writings? I have a candidate I just have to find it first.
>>25266091for me it's>there are two sources of human knowledge (which probably spring from a common, but to us unknown root)
>>25266099That’s a good one. I’m looking for the passage in the second critique where he says the same thing about practical and theoretical reason. It’s kek too that in his senility, in his open letter to Fichte, he claimed his system was perfectly complete as written. Sad as well. Schopenhauer thinks he literally fried his brain by working so hard in the 80s and 90s.
>>25266104Schopenhauer had brains on the brain. He can’t go two pages without referring to the size of people’s brains lmao. It reminds me of this guy who trained me for a job and was obviously obsessed with women’s posteriors and it kept cropping up in his words. He told me to lay out a piece of equipment “ass up” and I could hardly contain my lol.
>>25266091supplemented by the Hegelian:>Only what is perfectly determinate in form is at the same time exoteric, comprehensible, and capable of being learned and possessed by everybody. Intelligibility is the form in which science is offered to everyone, and is the open road to it made plain for all.
People be like “Kant’s methodology is opaque!” But that’s what the entire second part of the cpr is about. People be like “Kant destroyed metaphysics!” But he saw himself as saving metaphysics and he wrote two books he considered pure metaphysics.
>>25266104>It’s kek too that in his senility, in his open letter to Fichte, he claimed his system was perfectly complete as written.he then proceeds to write the Selbstsetzungslehre in the Opus Postumumdid he rekant (haha) or did he really agree with Fichte all along?
>>25266185As much as I hate Hegel that’s a really cool passage. He’s presenting himself as a philosophical prophet and saying the world he was describing philosophically and esoterically would soon be ordinary life. I think he was right, too. I’d say everyone understands Hegel inasmuch as we’re very much living in his world and his timeline.
>>25266199Good point. I need to hunt down this letter he wrote to Fichte in the early 90s giving him advice on how to write esoterically and evade censorship. Maybe Kant was just trying to save himself from this wild man who was arrogant enough to say the quiet parts out loud and think he could get away with it.
>>25266124lol schopenhauer liked brain. i don't blame him.
>>25266210>I need to hunt down this letter he wrote to Fichte in the early 90s giving him advice on how to write esoterically and evade censorship.that would be HUGE for the movement
>>25266186this so much
>>25266224>>25266232the only letter from Kant to Fichte I found, before the open letter was published, was the one from Feb 2, 1782
>>25266249Warda #140“Über den Verfasser des Versuchs einer Kritik aller Offenbarung.” Allgemeine Literatur-Zeitung, Intelligenzblatt, #102, col. 848 (22 August 1792). [AA 12: 359-60] “On the Author of the Attempt at a Critique of All Revelation.”The notice is dated “31 July 1792” and concerns the authorship of Versuch einer Critik aller Offenbarung (Königsberg: Hartung, 1792), 182 pp., which had been published anonymously.[Footnote 31] Because the reading public was expecting a work on religion from Kant’s pen, it assumed Kant to be the author of this essay, something Fichte [bio] had written in the space of six weeks while visiting Königsberg, and with the hope of favorably impressing Kant.[Footnote 32] Kant’s notice here, proclaiming Fichte as the rightful author and praising the book, gave Fichte’s career a fine boost. But see also his declaration against Fichte [see] published seven years later.fromhttps://users.manchester.edu/facstaff/ssnaragon/kant/Helps/WritingsData.htm#Fichte
>>25266249That’s the one I was referencing. He advises Fichte on how to reformulate his rejection of miracles as a rational ground of religious belief so he can pass the censors.
>>25266278very intriguing
>>25266249>>25266260
>>25266260it's not this one. it's the one above this one on the manchester.edu page. but that one has no photo or link unfortunately.
>>25266381May God bless you with infinite joy and pleasure
Can I be on the Kouncil?
>>25266812You are on this Kouncil, but we do not grant you the rank of Meister.
>>25266818The highest rank is Ipsissimus.
>>25266840how did you know?
LLM thread
>>25266057You can take this or leave it: anyone who presents a worthwhile endeavor as difficult is trying to prevent you from convincing yourself you already know how to do it, in a vain hope to keep the fruits of their labor for themselves, which, on this view, shows those fruits have already spoiled
>>25266185While it is not necessarily the case that any exoteric writing conceals an esoteric secret, any writer who mentions either of these terms can no longer be taken at their word. As a counter example, Marx is an exoteric writer without an esoteric secret. I would not rest on the suggestion of the same applied to Hegel.
>>25265914The original post where Esoteric Kantanon shared his theory affirmed that retards have the strongest Intellectual Intuition:https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21013496
>>25267107>retards have the strongest intellectual intuitionYup, this was what the moral of The Sound and the Fury too. I wrote a five paragraph essay about it as a lad.
>>25267107God bless his heart
worst /lit/ meme is still going i see
>>25267714*greatest
>>25266045Denn wer da hat, dem wird gegeben, daß er die Fülle habe; wer aber nicht hat, von dem wird auch das genommen was er hat.
>>25266278A little Kant makes you a normie atheist/agnostic. A deep dive is another story. That’s what makes Kant interesting to me, like he was such an intense and intelligent modernist he busted through a wormhole and became a genuine philosopher after all.
>>25267751A little Kant inclineth man's mind to atheism; but depth in Kant bringeth men's minds about to religion.
>>25267759Yes pretty much. I used to think you were retarded and then had the humbling experience of studying these thinkers for a couple of years and realizing I was the retard.
>>25267759I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
>>25267781Fichte said John was the only real gospel and the rest was nonsense. As a Catholic I am not allowed to agree with him but what do you think? It’s definitely the most ‘Kantian’ gospel.
>>25267790I like John. But it's been a while since I studied the godspells.
>>25267794I feel a synthesis of Kantian metaphysics and Marxist economics is the only path forward. Fichte tells you how to infiltrate academic and religious institutions in the Sittenlehre but it’s just not enough. I have wet dreams about Fichte reading Marx.
>>25267810wut? why?
>>25267790That makes sense for Fichte, since St. John was the most philosophical minded/trained out of the others. As for me, it's all gold. And he goeth up into a mountain.
>>25267826Fichte was all about freedom. The ideal for him and perhaps for Kant as far as I can make out is that someone could be so truly Himself that he didn’t need a code per se. Then Hegel btfo’s this view, then Kierkegaard btfo’s Hegel. And then Nietzsche… occurs.
>>25267839Jesus what a stupid post. Im drubk as fuck Im goong to bedz
>>25267778>studying these thinkers for a couple of yearsyou went to grad school?
>>25267839>And then Nietzsche… occurs.It's expected: the highly autistic systemization produced the creative explosion known as Neitzsche's art, whom I don't consider as a philosopher (not a diss). Once you have the bird's eye view of the events and personalities, and Neitzsche's manifesto of his youth, it becomes clear. As it usually goes, the ones you talk the most shit about end up being the ones you respect and have been influenced by the most, even if in the opposite direction. That I spake of sacrifices and honey-sacrifices, it was merely a ruse in talking and verily, a useful folly! Here aloft can I now speak freer than in front of mountain-caves and anchorites’ domestic animals.
If you look at how Kant landed in the 1790s it was like the discovery of LSD. Young people were radicalized, much faggotry occurred, and the world was irrevocably altered in unpredictable ways.
Why are German threads always meme threads? Are they overcompensating for their lack of humor?
>>25267872so are you an esoteric kantian dissenter as well?
>>25267911idgi
>>25267921no of course not. Kant gave us the schematics, his disciples gave us the models, and Neetcheeze demonstrated how a constructed rocket works like. The foundation is as important as the house, if not more so.
>>25267107>Telepathy Tapes>esp & remote viewing >profoundly Autistic non-verbal children astrally projecting to shared meetings g place (with full function)https://youtu.be/FcHJExnOWdE?si=m1au8CA0QXP_xgqGhttps://youtu.be/vHrxCrCD90A?si=KZZ3biaWYYacfLYp>NDE tier https://youtu.be/6EFRXLTGqFY?si=AUghIeX2ZeUCTIsN>extended: The Astral Tism Hillhttps://youtu.be/UOCffsuwSs4?si=cOzqdE1VswnfItX2https://youtu.be/VGXtT8E5rNw?si=EcdyvaxiNKLw2ZV-
>/lit/ has actually looped back around to sincere Nietzsche venerationOwari da
>>25268180>owari daEOPs saying this always annoys the shit out of me, the exact same meme exists in Japanese but they phrase it オワタ, not 終わりだ:https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%AF%E3%82%BF
>>25268062vindicated
look what i foundhttps://espace.library.uq.edu.au/data/UQ_d11e6c7/UQd11e6c7_OA.pdf?Expires=1778499609&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJKNBJ4MJBJNC6NLQ&Signature=RWlzbYkhN-e2KN-JG1B12gs~yXYVulyAzmaHZvlIDQ5b7wmsoCqACcqFb76i8V0lBTHoHawjupgDfd0R-bjgSsRJipHyQCiNMjJfFfPmWFdyACanXVoV4JgZLyqVmNhOYsQJ0rz7yxDhp1xSnAaR4sWOgXZ7i0rAXgJ4ZBWawKN7SAioE0nL976V4QlgptYGFpedWP6pwNSbuYvF05XdFvUeoM0F4OchXV-rhx4NCTsVqUTOKs7dXjeuDphdAl1AnB9FhvgzP~HwSp~FGYes1B6AujYU87tjz0P01qH9w-mtQ-AGEn0CvrDNPeBejTv0o2Lyw57nr7WixDAH66brmg__
>>25267778what changed your mind?
>>25267810>Marxist economicwe already have Fichte's closed commercial state
>>25268185I didn’t care, but now that I know this, I’ll relish upsetting weebs and nips every time I say it. Thanks!
>>25268687It was a process of realizing that the reason I thought you and Kant were retards was that I fundamentally did not understand the Copernican move Kant was making and was still reading it in normie, pre-critical terms.
>>25270010 meSorry I mean to be more specific but it’s hard to put into words. I think anyone getting into Kant from a background in ancient and medieval philosophy would have the same experience. Idealists are using the same concepts, often, as scholastics or Platonists, but this is misleading because the entire frame has shifted. And what’s the upshot? That metaphysics is saved, it’s been baptized into the modern world, which is my way of saying what you say when you say Kant is a crypto-rationalist, I think. The boring, agnostic, reddit Kant is not the real Kant.
>>25270034>The boring, agnostic, reddit Kant is not the real Kant.
>>25270046I thought of another way. Normies read Kant as saying something ‘less than’ pre-Kantian philosophy. “Oh, freedom is all in my head! But I ought to believe in it! Bingo!” But the esoteric Kantian understands that Kant is saying more, not less, than his predecessors.
>>25270122u get it
