Why did Freudianism get so popular in the 20th century and why did it die out so fast?
>>25268359Freudianism became sort of symbiotic with marxism in the post-WW2 scene because of the Frankfurt School, so when the thing that granted it a huge surge of popularity through symbiosis more or less died as anything but a hermeneutics of suspicion, it could hardly avoid dying itself as a consequence.
Freud was right about a lot and no one wants to admit it because they think it would mean admitting they want to fuck their moms. Women also loathe the idea of penis envy
As a side note I always found it interesting how evolution ended up becoming far longer lasting and influential than communism or freudianism despite being created with no real intent of being subversive and edgy, unlike marxism and freudianism, which were pitched as such ideologies from the very beginning.
>>25268369Because it's actually falsifiable?
remember my brothers and sister in Marxthis: >>25268369is who thinks they can bandy words with you on the internet.dont waste your time.
>>25268381Lol, no it isn't. Any observed fact can be made to fit into the evolutionary narrative ad hoc. Why did being gay evolve when it's clearly not evolutionarily beneficial? ... Uh because the sisters of gays tend to be more fertile, or something. Why do women like tall men? Because back in our monkey past they needed protection! OK then why don't men prefer tall women? Uh... Uh... just make up some random story.
>>25268388If evolution is fake explain this?
>>25268388"the evolutionary narrative"oh my progressive brothers and sisters, BEHOLDthis is the echo of the past already overcome. dont forget its face, and fight on.
>>25268388>OK then why don't men prefer tall women?Speak for yourself, homosexual. Tall women are beautiful.
>>25268416ive had girlfriends taller than me.fuck this whole dialogue. internet is fucked by backward ideologies and wont be fun til theyre gone
>>25268388>why don't men prefer tall women?We don't?
>>25268423lol this guy
>>25268391I didn't say evolution is fake, I said it's unfalsifiable.>>25268416Men almost exclusively want women who are shorter than them and find it embarrassing if they're taller. But this makes no sense because if women prefer tall men then the taller the women you procreate with the greater chance your own son will be taller and be able to spread his genes.
>>25268388>Uh because the sisters of gays tend to be more fertile, or somethingWho came up with this?
>>25268444>Men almost exclusivelyno.>I didn't say evolution is fake, I said it's unfalsifiablethats just fucking stupid.
>>25268444If I had a choice of picking between two women who look almost the exact same but one is 5'4" and the other is 5'10", you can bet that I'm always going to pick the latter. Though of course if I could I'd pick both.I don't think male preference in looks plays that large a part in evolution beyond the point of a woman passing the minimum requirements to be found attractive.
>>25268446Your sister.
>>25268444In almost every animal with a strong sense of sexual dymorphism on earth the female is the uglier one while the male usually has to aesthetically prove himself to the female in some way. Of course this also comes with the binus for the male that it can afford to have multiple partners at once as opposed to the female who would be too busy with pregnancy and all that jazz. Countless different societies around the world developed themselves in such a way as to where woman lack this freedom of choice and ones where the choice is far too limited (Pakistan, India and so on) always turn into shitholes filled with ugly mongoloids by some magic coincidence. Sadly while giving girls their part of the deal we forgot ours of being allowed to have multiple partners, if both of those needs are met than im sure we can evolve as a species into a higher level
>>25268388>Any observed fact can be made to fit into the evolutionary narrative ad hoc. Absolutely true. HOWEVER evolution can be true WHILE maintaining that not everything is reducible to it. The average atheist redditor will wield evolution like an ideology that has zero gaps and that explains everything.
>>25268383I will always be amazed at how much of a blowfish the average Marx hater is. Like they don't have to be this brain-dead but they always are.
>>25268391>muttification
>>25268388>Why did being gay evolve when it's clearly not evolutionarily beneficial? ... Uh because the sisters of gays tend to be more fertile, or something.Or maybe because gays had to be bi until recent times and managed to reproduce and spread their genes by creating families because of social pressure? It isn't that difficult to be a normal family man in your own city or village who ten dilates bussy in foreign brothels. Isn't this how homosexuality, outside of the theatre and red light districts, historically worked?
>>25268819the top manager of my org had a wife and kids until mid 2000s when being gay would no longer impact his career so he dumped them. lmao this guy is so smarmy and "nice" meanwhile he ditched his fake family the minute he didn't need them to advance his career.
>>25268359freud was useful against Jesus for around a century, and freuds sodomitical subconscious filled with unnatural concupiscence instead of thomistic passive intellect which can only be filled with unnatural concupiscence by habit, is still insisted on by modern psychologists. nevertheless it is harder to tell young people who you want to fornicate that they secretly want to fornicate with their parents than lennons theory that that all you need is love
>>25268369> Nature passes so gradually from inanimate to animate... that their continuity renders the boundary between them indistinguishable. - t. aristotle
Its still very popularBut equality has had one very interesting effect: A lot of the symbiology from the late 1800 do no longer translate, its now a foreign culture. And as time passes, it will get more foreign. In one of his dream books, he talks about how a patient is describing wanting authority. She does this by describing a male enforcer uniform, which was not a lower class position as well. In the symbolic language he described a lot of it as "male power" and thereby its a "penis envy" dream, but he is also just describing that she dreams about escaping the confines of her social role.But there is also the normalization of porn. And with it, a lot of the erotically charged language is suddenly tame.When you talk about penis envy, wanting to supplant your father/mother, etc... it has a stronger impact on a prude culture who can't deny it. Will porn addicted gen X will look at it and shrug while agreeing with it..
its pop psych my man
>>25268388Evolution has been serious since Ronald Fisher and its synthesis in population statistics and genetics which consider fitness (reproductive success) as given experimental data and study genetic statistics from there. In that sense it is using a priori theories with the only empirical content taken from genetics, and is thus as falsifiable as that one. The problem you allude to is that the majority of people are interested neither in mathematics nor in genetics properly speaking, but are instead very interested in explaining fitness functions (not content with treating them as given), which is a completely separate question and where all the charlatanism comes out. Even here there are a few serious empirical arguments such as the decreasing fitness of mutations with the importance of mutations involved which is a falsifiable claim that happens to hold. Obviously it is a far cry from the pseudo-science of "why are short men incels ?" that plebeians consider the meat of evolution,
>>25268388>If evolution is true, then why don’t I understand it? Checkmate, Darwin!
Jungians took over
>>25269321Thinking man's show
>>25268359It got permanently BTFO by D&G
>>25269352There are people that still don't understand what Deleuze was doing. You'd think the title would give it away.
>>25268359Jung was superior and truly helpful. The freudian dialectic works to destroy the goyim and their institutions. Of course it was propped up, marketed, branded, sold and choreographed as a super trend, like all jewish brain warts. Blame is of course scape goated away; "It was the 20s, not the hostile race operating in the 20s"
>>25268388Infrastructure and drama work the same way.It's the end of an era; the engines of human minds are running on fumes.
>>25268395Macroevolution is absolutely not proven and is based on an unfalsifiable narrative of deep time.
>>25268819Okay, and how come the mutation wasn't selected out over time regardless of the fact?
>>25268359It didn’t die, it insinuated itself so thoroughly into Western culture that one hardly notices its passage any longer. “This is water.”
>>25268359Prior to Freud, people who had mental illnesses were cast away into the asylum and forgotten about. It was Freud who posited that perhaps these people had an illness just like a physical one that could be cured, or at least managed, via talking therapy. It was therefore quite progressive for its time.Whilst Freud's theories are debunked nowadays, he still made genuine contributions to psychology and psychiatry, and his concepts are still used today by professionals and non-professionals alike.
>>25268472>Countless different societies around the world developed themselves in such a way as to where woman lack this freedom of choice and ones where the choice is far too limited (Pakistan, India and so on) always turn into shitholes filled with ugly mongoloids by some magic coincidence. White people defending their sexual decadance case #55563
>>25269842Freud was targeting a very different kind of mental illness than the type that gets you thrown in an asylum, though his earlier work in Paris was a more general study of "lunacy," talking therapy was designed for otherwise "sane" people who had manifested a sometimes literal paralytic dysfunction that stopped them from living ordinary lives. A lot of his clients like the Rat Man were perfectly capable of carrying out ordinary professional lives but suffered from paralysing neurosis in private. Most of Freud's clients just unable to unable to commit themselves to any kind of intimate relationship.
>>25269842>Prior to [], people who had mental illnesses were cast away into the asylum>It was [] who posited that perhaps these people had an illness just like a physical one that could be cured, or at least managed, via talking therapy.Psychiatry has been a thing since the 18th century. If you have to point to a single man for your claims it is undoubtedly Philippe Pinel and even that is reductive history. The audacity of Fraudians.
>>25268359>>25268365Perfectly put. People will go to great lengths to deny or ignore inconvenient truths.
>>25268388>I adopted a baseless mystical worldview so I must pretend all worldviews are baseless to defend myselfEvolution is like an IQ test, if you doubt "macroevolution" you just demonstrate that you can't connect dots.
>>25269023In no way does the superego map on to "reason", nor does ego map on to "passions"
SEX SELLS, AND FADS FADE.
>>25268369no matter what.evolution the philosophy gets carried by the fact that evolution the logical/biological aspect , still exist in some significant sence.also the more secular you go with understanding the world, the more everything must be explained by evolution , in a way that goes beyond humanity , like how communism is.I am a retard I don't know that freudianism is.
>>25269321They didn't, and that's the problem. People still approach depth psychology thinking of Freud even though Freudian scholars themselves shifted closer to what Jung was saying in the 1910s.
>>25268381falsifiability is a retarded rewording of the positivist concept of verifiability. Verification is a much more intuitive concept. Falsifiability is a dumb sounding rip off.
>>25268388You did a terrible job of explaining your point (you would do well to acquaint yourself with the term "just-so stories") but the number of /lit/ posters who couldn't suss out what you were saying is revealing.
>>25268359>Why did Freudianism get so popular in the 20th centuryWWI>and why did it die out so fast?The field developed past it.
>>25269321I fucking wish.Like the other anon said, not really, and that's exactly the issue. Psychology is massively held back by just deciding Jung didn't matter because uuuuh... he brought up mystical stuff and if you do that you can't be a proper science man. Despite the fact that psychology is an extremely wide field that should be able to cover nearly everything produced by mankind. ESPECIALLY fictional/religious works that cannot be subject to natural science.
>>25269714only correct post ITT. freudism is an aesthetic for artistic production (theater, advertising, television) more than a coherent theory
just me or does he look like zizek in this photo?
>>25268359>die outuh, where? there is an emerging field called neuropsychoanalysis because neuroscience started confirming some theories Freud had; you also have classical psychoanalysis which is still huge in Europe, and you have Lacanian psychoanalysis
Popular understanding of psychoanalyst based on how surface it is goes Freud - Jung - Lacan, and no names come after.
The 20C. was the first time we really became self aware and so something like psychoanalysis would have become popular. See also, many other "self help" movements sprung up around that time and were immensely popular, whether they be on the secular (psychoanalysis,psychotherapy) or spiritual (religious movements) side.But due to industrialization and its resultant technology advancements, the world shrank ever quicker. No man was ever more an island unto himself; everyone was in constant communication with each other, whether in the literal sense (telephony) or the more abstract sense of being bombarded by radio waves (radio, television, internet, WWW).Because of this latter phenomenon, we all started to identify with each other and increasingly felt less the need to find out more about ourselves. The journey into self discovery ended there and now we're more interested in not NOT being part of the greater whole of society.
Freud was a degenerate junkie pseud jewJung is where its at. He believed in God, his takes make more sense and are much deeper. Jung comes off like someone who is genuine in his expression and wants to help, freud comes off as someone who wants to poison the minds of the youth
>>25268359>die outit didn't. it evolved into lacanianism which in turn evolved into schizoanalysis.
>>252683591) popular because He was hyped. 2) died out because he made it all up.
>>25271491Jung comes off as genuinely detached from reality. An actual schizo. Freud was dealing in the truth of human nature, unflinchingly and honestly. As for belief in God, Freud deals with that expertly and admirably in "The Future of an Illusion", I recommend you read it.
>>25270504> NO the ego is NOT the same as the passions it is DISPASSIONATE and EMOTIONAL
>>25271985>Freud was dealing in the truth of [jewish] nature, unflinchingly and honestlyjews fug their mothers XDDDDDD
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Another case interpreted!
