i'm about to finish high school but i feel like an uncultured philistine because my friends and i are screen addicts all day. I really want to get into something cool over the summer or even in the last month of school since I have nothing else to do. I remember reading the fountainhead a few months ago and kind of getting into it but for some reason I stopped my daily ritual of reading it every night and only got to around 80 pages or so. I read the Great Gatsby at school which was alright but still not something I'd gravitate to naturally like my iphone sadly.i'm also interesting in reading about philosophers like nietszche and such but i honestly have no idea where to start or even maintain the self discipline to read a book instead of scrolling through X or doing other brainless stuff when I'm bored. What is 4chan's advice? I'm new to this website so sorry if this post is unorthodox.
>>25270465I recommend you goon to sissy hypno porn.
Read Slaughterhouse-V, it's quintessential 18 y/o-core. IYKYK.
philofiction like borges and kafka
>>25270465> i'm also interesting in reading about philosophers like nietszche and such but i honestly have no idea where to start or even maintain the self discipline to read a bookBefore books my suggestion is watch this 20 minute movie - click auto translate to English in the close caption section.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nhLxgLBji48&pp=ygURSGVyYWNsaXRlIGxvYnNjdXI%3DIt’s pretty much a direct adaptation of the fragments of Heraclitus as they are without any secondary commentary or anything. It is elusive but a good intro for someone of your age to Heraclitus. Pretty much Nietzsche, Plato, Hegel, everyone builds off of Heraclitus groundwork
Graham Greene - The Quiet AmericanHerman Hesse - SteppenwolfJack Kerouac - On the RoadGabriel Garcia Marquez - The Story Of A Shipwrecked SailorIvan Turgenev - Fathers and Sons
>>25270470This. Faggot thread he could have just wrote a reply in a general
>>25270491my bad lmao i'm not a degenerate who regularly uses this site i just thought it would be way better than reddit
>>25270472i actually read like 120 pages of this book back in november but for some reason i tapered off of it. i think like the main issue in general is that reading books isnt really trendy in my generation and so it's hard to lean towards books as my primary source of entertainment, even if i know they will be good in the long run
>>25270503Reading books has never been trendy zoomer faggot.
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>>25270491Keep your retarded faggot forum moderator LARP to yourself>>25270465Read what you like. LOTR is pretty easy while having more interesting themes and writing than most other fantasyslop. Nothing wrong with reading summaries of advanced stuff to see if you'd like it first when it comes to philosophy.
>>25270499Look at that, he thinks he’s better than us. Hey faggot, here’s a book for you, it’s called suicide note, written by (You). It’s not finished yet and it will be an awfully written piece of literature but it will be finished, soon enough.
>>25270482There are good ones here. I would add:Demian, by Hermann Hesse, The Catcher In The Rye, by J. D. Salinger, Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man, by James Joyce. They are all good choices as they arebildungsroman romances, an excellent literary genre for beginners by your age.
>>25270579By the way, if you are really into Nietzsche, you have to have a good foundation in greek philosophy, christian morality, Kant and Schopenhauer. I'm the one to say it to you, kid: start with the greeks.
>>25270465Read Heraclitus' fragments, they're short and were written near the beginning of what is usually referred to as Western philosophy. From there, you can progress to the rest of the Greeks. Take notice of what you understand and what is hard to understand, and what you only understood on reflection, and what questions each passage raises. Write these down somewhere and come back to them. Becoming fluent in philosophy is really becoming fluent in the practice of deliberately thinking about things.If you want literature instead, try a couple of the classics you've heard about but never read, then come back and post here when you're done or when you drop them. What did you like? What made you think? The answers to these questions will help guide what to read next. If you want straight recommendations, I read Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer straight out of high school. It's not great literature like Joyce or Proust but it's a bit more literary than modern stuff while remaining actioney enough to engage a young person.
Start with books that are relatively short and easy to read. Siddhartha, stoner, of mice and men, 1984, brave new world, etc. Shorter books make it easier to push thru to finish when ur still new to reading for fun. Also meditations is good because it's basically a list of short ideas. Really easy to "just one more entry" the same way you would act while scrolling social media.Since you're 18 I feel like Siddhartha, meditations, and East of Eden would be good for you.Also find friends that read. You will have to go out of your way for this. Someone being more well read than you is a great motivator.
>>25270465harry potter
>>25270465>What is 4chan's advice?leave this god forsaken shithole.>>25270499>i just thought it would be way better than redditit really isnt.both are psyopsEFTA02004373>Great Gatsby>fountainhead>nietszche yeah youre going down a path that will bring nothing but suffering and incel seething.
>>25270465>>25270499Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence, by David BenatarThe Conspiracy Against the Human Race, by Thomas Ligotti
>>25270470fpbp
I would recommend starting with novellas/ short story collections. Novellas: Lord of The Flies by Golding, Of Mice and Men by Steinbeck, The Old Man and the Sea by Hemingway, Metamorphosis by Kafka. Short stories: Chekov, Woolf, Denis Johnson, and Dubliners by Joyce.All of these are well-known but well-written and easy to read.
>>25270465I think the most important thing is to just find a page turner, a book that's not particualrly profund but will be entertaining enough to make you love reading. Something Fantasy or SF then.I recommend Asimov (Foundation) or whatever other cool universe you like, just to get in the mood/in the habit. You could even read books related to your favourite mass media franchise (Starcraft warhammer star wars whatever) as long as it's enjoyable. Just enjoy reading first then read less immediately pleasing stuff.
>>25270465Without having too clear an idea of what you want, a good starting novel would be Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes. This is generally agreed to be the origin of the Western novel as we know it. If the page count looks intimidating, then it may be reassuring to know the chapters are episodic, relatively short, and highly readable for its age. I recommend the translation by Edith Grossman or the abridged edition by Walter Starkie.>i'm also interesting in reading about philosophers like nietszche and such but i honestly have no idea where to startI suggest NOT starting with Nietzsche. You would be better off starting with Aristotle (or possibly Plato). Aristotle for Everybody by Mortimer Adler is a good starting point and it includes an epilogue to assist in the reading of Aristotle himself.
Read HomerRead ShakespeareRead Goethe
>>25270465Finish fountainhead. Then read atlas, or if you want something else for a change, read flashback or hyperion by dan simmons. At first you gotta read cool shit to get into the habit. Read fucking dan brown davinco code if you have to but I recommend bullet train and all the other assassins books by that japanese chad.Or atzec revenge. Then then dystopian classics such as brave new world, 1984 and fahrenheit 451. You find shit on your own by then. Good luck, you can do it
Read what enforces your current beliefsThen after reading a minimum 15 books that all just praise you, read a book that goes against your thoughts, if you like the opposite thought, read more books on that, if you don't, just continue reading whatever enforces your current beliefs. I'd recommended Plato's The Republic and Ludwig Von Mises Human action.
If your gonna read complex books, make sure to have a study book to go along with it that explains what the book is saying
>>25270465For the last month of school I would recommend reading the Book Of Isaiah, and making your way through the psalms. After these you are ready for the gospels which make a great sommer vacation read. All of the prose in the King James Bible are broken up into simple, powerful verses which reward both the shortest and longest attention spans with wisdome, because God designed His message to reach everybody. All philosophy is seeded by the Holy Bible, even pre-Christian philosophers like Democritus and Plato were inspired by the Holy Spirit to prepare the way for Christianity in the hearts of the Achaeans, and all philosophy ultimately concludes in Christ Jesus who gave His blood as sacrifice for the ultimate good of eternal life in Heaven where philosophy is perfected in union with God in the beatific vision. (see pic rel >>24337195)
>>25270465Highbrow Tucker Max
Stop recommending low page counts. It doesn’t matter how long the book is, that’s why there’s bookmarks and all you’re doing is reinforcing a false perception of dauntfullness. If OP can’t read something because it’s too long then OP is too retarded to help, stop wasting everyone’s life with this bullshit>>25270465 (OP) #You should read the high school reading list books you didn’t yet, if they interest you, so you can catch up on your literacy development. Go back to children’s novels if you need to
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Telling an eighteen year old to kill himself? You are a disgusting and rotten jew; you are cursed by god and mankind, you should kill youself.
I would recommend reading illiad, odyssey, Aeneid, divine comedy (and the Bible concurrently with all this books.)The reason why is because the Aeneid builds off the characters in the illiad and the odyssey and dante takes a scene from the aeneid and builds it into its own narrative. The Bible is just great generally for wisdom, life, relation to God, righteousness, etc. but it also has the added benefit of helping you better understand divine comedy.The beautiful thing about literature isn't the individual book but it's reading a book and utilizing the knowledge you read from another book as well if that makes sense.You can waste your time reading like Batman comics or something but it would be better to crack open the western canon one book at a time.I also recommend finishing your second language by age 20. Third by 21 or 22. But hey, that's just my advice.
>>25273486Additionally I would also recommend ShakespearAristotleAugustinePlato
>>25270465Read Socrates Apology. It's a small but extremely important book.
>>25270465>18yo >beginner at reading
>>25273515omfg this board is fucking insufferable. at least offer better or more specified advice than what OP could get from the sticky>>25270465You mentioned Nietzsche, so try reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra, essentially an anti-bible of moral tales and sermons. if you want to go deeper you can read Hume, Plato, Descartes to give you insight into the established scene in philosophy, and then go on to Beyond Good and Evil, and Genealogy of Morals./lit/ has an autistic obsession with reading the canon in chronological order, which is why they'll recommend Homer the Aeneid to you (they haven't read much else). Try your best to ignore them; its best to start with what you have an intrinsic interest in, and then follow the interesting ideas backwards.
>>25270503>so it's hard to lean towards books as my primary source of entertainmentReading is likely never going to be your primary source of entertainment in the modern day.1. Most books are not 'entertaining.' Especially not compared to video games, movies, anime, etc. Reading is genuinely fucking hard at times. 2. If you do read ones that are actually 'entertaining' that is basically just fantasy slop, or romance slop if you're a foid.I think what's best especially for someone that is brainrotted (most of us younger guys) is reading a mix of actual /lit/ and some slop in between. You will burn out if you try to read only classics etc. Some books that are genuine 10/10's can still be a struggle to actually pick up and keep reading, because it just is that fucking dull at the same time. (I'm looking at you, Journey to the End of the Night) It's hard to explain.
>>25270465Start with the Greeks.
>>25272769>Stop recommending low page counts>Recommends high school required reading listsYou do know 90% of the books on these lists are low page count, right?
>>25273641At least he can read. Small victories.
>>25270465Do you play video games? Do you watch movies? Anime? Manga?Have you considered books based on them?Like for example if you play WoW -> then try The Last Guardian.Stephen King’s movie adaptations -> Stephen King’s books.Anime isekai slop -> the source LN.Manga adaptation -> the source LN.Pick something light. Something related to your other interests. If you want a recommendation, I think Tanith Lee’s books are pretty easy to read, while are still being considered “real” books. But in general, genre books, like fantasy/scifi/murder mystery, are looked down upon by snobs.
For classics, something like Crime and Punishment is good (pick the Oliver Ready translation).You should mostly read fun books though to develop the ability to read, like the Discworld novels, and the Susanna Clarke books, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, and Piranesi.
>>25270465Just read anything and that will already put you ahead of the normies, nephew. When I was in high school normies pretty much sat on the phone all day and didn’t read anything, I only imagine that it is even worse today now that COVID and TikTok has lowered the average normie IQ by at least 20 points.I assume you’re 18 and about to graduate. If you can read and memorize even just basic western canon like the Iliad, odyssey, or the Bible then normies will think you’re some kind of high IQ genius when you go to college.
>>25271950Not the OP, came back to this website after half a decade because I missed the lit and fit boards. Where else could I freely ask for advice without dumb tiktok videos being embedded or a stupid downvote system that hides objective answers?This place is more dead than the last time i was here desu
>>25274402I don’t know if it’s 90% but that’s not what I was getting at. I’m saying don’t recommend things because of the low page count. An 18yo shouldn’t be put off reading LoTR because it’s a big book, if he can’t use a bookmark he’s ngmi anyway so actually to recommend low page counts is a complete waste of everyone’s time.
>>25274161He doesn’t need to read slip at all. There’s perfectly decent novels including genre fiction which are well written and thought provoking and are worthwhile reading for various reasons aside from the sheer entertainment contained therein. I remember when I was reading The Republic I was also reading a Neal Asher sci fi novel before bed
Remember that reading is not inherently better than other forms of media. But it is the form with the highest skill ceiling. Literature has evolved over thousands of years, while cinema is only around a hundred and games about fifty. So if you exclusively read slop and don't even enjoy it, there's nothing to be gained over just watching anime. But if you try to push yourself a little, and you seek out new authors and styles, and you widen what you knew just a fraction each time, you'll find much richer rewards than anything else. And your generation is so illiterate that you'll seem like a genius to most of the people around you. At your age, I read a lot of genre fiction that bordered on lit. I like scifi, so I read a ton of Philip K Dick, William Gibson, Ursula LeGuin, Samuel Delaney. Short story collections are a great way to ease into reading. Welcome to the Monkeyhouse, Burning Chrome, Axiomatic, and Rejection are some of my favorite collections that are both accessible and powerful.If you're smart or mentally ill, Franny and Zooey by Salinger is a phenomonal choice for your place in life. I read it at 26 and felt light-headed at seeing my deepest feelings depicted. Otherwise, ignore anyone who recommends self-help disguised as literature (Alchemist, Midnight Library, Siddhartha). >>25274161Reading is a journey for everyone, but a lot of people have a hell of a time compared to others. I loved stories but struggled to read for pleasure and was only able to blast books last minute in college (and I was an English major). Turns out I had ADHD and spent over a decade just trying to force myself to read without actually liking it. A small dose of meth a day and I went from a book every 1-3 months to a book a week. And I actually enjoy the process of reading now too. Wild shit.
>>25270465Start with something simple, like Robinson Crusoe, Agatha Christie novels, and build up your attention span for reading over time.
>>25270465* the screwtape letters* screwtape proposes a toast* at the mountains of madness* the dream quest of unknown kadath* basils letter to young men* summa theologiae* americas decline: the education of a conservative
>>25275179>SiddharthaEh? That book is good
>>25275179> genre fictionoh yeah the high crusade about crusaders defeating the alien empire was good
