My wife is ESL and doesn't understand the "yeah no" discourse marker and thought it was disagreement when usually I use it as agreement with clarification or turn taking. Are there any good linguistics books for English learners to explain niche grammar patterns like this?
i bet she's south-east asian
>>25271168Just East actually. Are they just notoriously autistic about conversational nuance?
Are you also ESL? Because you're using "yeah no" improperly. Your wife is actually correct. It is used to express disagreement sarcastically.
>>25271183>Just EastHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>25271205Be totally honest. You're a woman aren't you. Don't talk shit if you don't know what you're talking about and won't even bother to look the topic up just to defend the honor of someone you'll never meet. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378216611000907
>>25271205In writing it's exclusively used to express disagreement but in spoken English it can also be used (with different prosody) for agreement, wracking my brain I think we usually do this when agreeing with something that was itself framed as counterfactual or contentious?>"Yeah no you're totally right"
Yeah no, it’s confirmed: OP is a brown ESL
ESL larping as a native English speaker with an ESL wife
>>25271272this is just lvl 1 LARPing
why do you hate ESLs so much when this is the most diverse board after /int/
>>25271220Yeah no you're full of bullshit.>prosodyAnd there's no way that's a real word.
>>25271165My older brother says "yeah no" habitually, especially when talking about something he agrees with and it annoys the hell out of me
>>25271220Those people are saying "You know", not "yeah no". You are ESL.
>>25271220I’m totally familiar with this usage, and I think it’s valid, but I think your understanding is wrong. “Yeah, no” is an expression negation followed by an affirmation. The purpose is to express “yeah (I get what you’re saying/hear you but) no.”So, when you use it in agreement, you’re not using it wrongly, it’s just that the thing you’re negating would be supplied by the context and doesn’t need to be the statement of your interlocutor. Let’s say person A and B are discussing the opinions of person C.Person A might say “isn’t it crazy Person C believes X?” Person B might respond “yeah (agreeing with A’s statement that it’s crazy) no (disagreement with C’s belief) … (continued elaboration).”It’s really quite simple. Just one of those colloquial things that requires context to get full clarity.
>>25271220Actually upon rereading your post, yeah no I totally meant to agree with you. I just misread earlier.
>>25271205It can be used for either and it’s largely tone and context based.
>>25271216Yeah no it’s like he’s just leaping to white knight some foreign poon
OP back, It's a filler phrase called a discourse marker and if you want the proper understanding of the sentence it's used in, you need to listen to the entire sentence. Specifically the parts that come after the "yeah no", "no yeah".
>>25271711You are ESL, Just own it. This desperation only lowers you.
>>25271205this. >>25271168>>25271183both of these would use the same metaphrasic construction to express what you're trying to express or even as an active listening more, so you might be less wrong in their language, but you're definitely not a niche grammar pattern out of prescriptive correctness.>>25271216i don;t need to read your article to tell you women have hypercorrect grammar more often in writing
>>25271339I'm a WASP. Their mere presence makes my skin crawl.
>>25271711There's a difference between "Yeah no" and "Yeah, no". Your ESL brain is unable to comprehend this.
>>25271220You're supposed to remove one or the other to make it agree. Using both of them just indicates narcissistic passive aggressive hostility or anxious schizophrenic waffling resulting in confusing / confused speech, which is normal for our times but ought to be expunged where possible
>>25271796People like you are so gross. We say it all the time in my home state. Why the projection, chud?
>>25271165>"yeah no">I use it as agreement with clarification or turn taking.Ask me how I know you're also ESL or a sperg retard.
>>25271694Genuinely retarded misapprehension of the dynamics of "yeah no"
>>25271851>We say it all the time in my ESL immigrant communityFTFY
>ITT native English speakers that know the phrase and ESL retards angry they feel out of the loop
>>25271910Unfortunately colloquial speech is defined by usage and that’s what everyone uses it like where I’m from. Did my best to explain something as best I could but, as a native english speaker, I don’t have the formal grammar to really explain it perfectly. Ironically, this kind of criticism, that my explanations suck, is the type of thing an ESL would criticize me for. The broad point is just that “yeah no” can mean an agreement or a disagreement and “it depends.”>>25271944I miss as a kid when most servers in America were actually full of my fellow Americans instead of having to argue about my native language with every Jeet, Chink, and Eurofag that thinks their English is better because of a CEFR certificate. Plus, my hometown has been practically overrun with these fucking people IRL anyways so I have nowhere public to escape to.
>>25271910Also I just realized if you won’t try to make a better explanation I shouldn’t have responded to you at all because you’re probably just brown.
>>25272232"yeah no" is always in disagreement. Literally no one uses it to genuinely express the "yeah" part. Literally no one. The "yeah" is a verbal fakeout employed for humorous or derisive purposes, or in a more benign usage, an acknowledgement that the other person said something immediately before replying to what they said in the negative. The "yeah" doesn't blunt the disagreement and it doesn't signal agreement in any way. In the least ironic/derisive usage, it's "actually no" or "no, but thanks for checking," "I hear you, but no," i.e. used to prevent the sperg interlocutor from taking offense at your unambiguous disagreement with their statement or disconfirmation of their question. Point being, the meaning of "yeah no" is always unambiguously negative or disconfirming, and flatly so, and the "yeah" is used to flag and signal the unambiguousness of the disconfirmation/disagreement
>>25271165It's easy to explain "yeah no"When paired with "no", "yeah" becomes a filler word (much like how Chinese people say "nigga nigga nigga" when they can't make up their minds) and the compound takes up a negative meaning You might be saying "ya know" and that would be an affirmative statementOr you might be Hispanic and end every statement with ¿no? As a holdover habit from spanish
>>25271205Yeah, no.
>>25272232Too true anon. It makes me happy to know they'll never truly understand English no matter how many certs they get and will out themselves in their misunderstanding of phrases l like this.
>>25272250Yeah no, you're totally right.
>>25272387This usage is an even more derisive version of "yeah no" than I was referring to, where it's followed by an *ironic* affirmation. But the meaning of the "yeah no" is not modified when used like that, it's still to be taken as a negation. After thinking about it I think everyone who uses "yeah no" is a faggot who should speak more economically
>>25272414No yeah I totally get why you feel that way but it's still affirmative even if I'm taking the piss out of you for being l wrong.
OP is trans. This all makes sense now. Thread closed.
>>25272269>much like how Chinese people say "nigga nigga nigga" when they can't make up their mindskek
>>25272250>Literally no one uses it to genuinely express the "yeah" part. Literally no one. I and many people I have known living on both coasts of the US and in the heartland use it this way. Again it depends on tone and surrounding context.
This woman is still upset to get BTFO
>>25273568"no yeah" is different from "yeah no," in either case the first word in the compound is a meaningless filler word which only signals that you are replying to what someone else said. You and everyone else who says "yeah no" as an affirmation is a deformed mongoloid
Yeahno I’m yesnot reading anyall of that
>>25273978The problem with arguing about what we look like on 4chan is we can just say whatever we want and no one will prove it either way, but for the record I’m tall, bench a lot, and have success with women, and a graduate degree. And that’s the truth.
>>25271165"Yeah, no" explained:>yeah Yes, I understand what you're saying...>noAnd I think you're still wrong. It's ain't hard to understand.
>>25271339>this is the most diverse board
>>25272387that's—not how it's used. at all.get off my board damn esls
>>25271165Yeah naw yeah cunt shit's a right headscratchahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uuc9frxacfE
