I'm sick of being a monolingual chud, and I want to learn multiple languages. The typical language learning apps are so ass even if you can block the adds by using a web browser. Schooling has not done me any good and I'm sure that's because nobody gives a fuck about language acquisition anymore. What's the simplest method to learn new languages? I already have a small amount of Spanish from high school. I was thinking of picking up a copy of some kids book like Charlotte's Web or something in Spanish and just using translate until I can read without it. pic unrelated i just fuck with assyrians
Above all else you have to have absolutely ironclad certainty that you'll stick with it. When I started learning Japanese I knew from day one (in part precisely because of all the neckbeards who take it up and then quit) that I would become fluent come hell or high water, whereas any language I've gone into with even slight uncertainty has been a bust
>>25271292>how does one actually learn a new language [Spanish]exposure and practice. watch some telenovelas with spanish (not english) captions turned on, pick whatever sounds dramatic enough to hold your interest. I think there's an adaptation of breaking bad, that's a good place to start -- you'll know the very general plot and vocabulary, makes it easier to pick up new words. keep a diary in spanish if you can. unfortunately you're going to have to drill grammar -- sorry -- but that can be difficult and useless or easier and useful, depends on how much you're using the language prior to/during grammar drills. you probably live in an area that has a hispanic section of town, supermercados or carnicerías or whatever. go there often and strike up brief conversations with staff and customers. just shit like "hey, is this brand good? how do you recommend I cook it" etc. if you can make an online friend via discord/zoom/similar where you can talk spanish, even better. can't remember it right now but there's some site online that matches you with people trying to learn english, so you talk spanish to them and they talk english to you. very helpful>picking up a copy of some kids book like Charlotte's Webunironically a good idea. start with Charlotte's Web and other books on that level, then pick up Harry Potter for the same reason, then maybe a translation of Hemingway into Spanish. I'm assuming you're into literature because you're here on /lit/ -- underrated approach is to translate spanish-language literature into english as best you can. start with some Neruda, great poet, simple enough language that's still a challenge to adequately bring into english. another thing to consider is spanish-language news. I read El Pais every morning, not the entire thing just a couple articles on my phone, and it's been cool to watch the spanish paper go from "totally inscrutable" to "I think they're talking about the iran war?" to "ah, the mexican president is upset that america seems to be reneging on an earlier trade agreement" etc. also exposes you to a lot of new vocabulary. on that>dictionariesspanish-english dictionaries are good as you start out, but try to jettison them as soon as you can and get a "learner's dictionary" or a "simple spanish" dictionary instead. you'll sacrifice short-term comprehension but accelerate long-term vocabulary fluency. underrated tip
>>25271292Vocab, vocab, vocab
>>25271292Learn attic greek.
>>25271302>you have to have absolutely ironclad certainty that you'll stick with itnot possible
>>25271292Like everything else, it's mostly constant exposure.
>>25271292Just try different textbooks and different methods. For Spanish I recommend these.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/f8024a0105df20bae5f2b311c401917bhttps://archive.org/details/firstspanishbook00wormrich
Move to the country of your target language for two years
>>25272313>Move to Ancient Greece
>>25272969>moving to current greece isnt going to helpmidwit
>>25271292You have to do many things to learn a language. It is an incredibly time-consuming task that requires an enormous amount of effort and willpower. I recommend reading at least one textbook, I recommend using at least one language learning application or website or something like that (but quit after you've got the basics down, and move on to comprehensible input and studying), I recommend having conversations in your target language as soon as you can, I recommend using flashcards, I recommend writing stories and diary entries in your target language, and most of all I recommend tons and tons of input. RATTATA is the dominant strategy for language learning once you've gotten past the very basics. Expect to spend at least 2,000 hours watching cartoons and tv shows and movies and youtube videos and listening to music and reading books and posts and articles and wikipedia pages and looking up words on google translate all day every day.Do lots of different things and dedicate a massive amount of your time. It's a lot of fun though, and very rewarding.
>>25271394Second this. Come to /clg/ friend
>>25273744Retard
>>25273789why?
First you should learn the grammar then the vocabulary and pronunciation
Jeg snakker norge. It's maybe the single easiest language for a native english speaker to learn, and I'll run through what I've done for that. Half the time the words sound like English anyway, if you're drunk and speaking with a full mouth. I started with duolingo because, hey, why not, and the course isn't as bad as some duolingo courses. But it doesn't teach grammar, it's trying to get you good enough to mumble your way through ordering water and wine in a cafe. Okay for vocab. Then I bought a textbook - mystery of the nils. Lot of work. It's a good one - has some online readings of the words in the textbook for pronunciation among a variety of accents, though no different dialects. I'd write it out, do the exercises, write the individual words out later.I used anki to make flashcards out of each individual word too and test those regularly. Anki's a treat. After a while, I started watching youtube of kids shows in norwegian and changing languages over on my devices. tl;dr Use flashcards and textbooks.
>>25271292If you want the easiest option, check out Dreaming Spanish, Spanish Boost Gaming, and any other beginner comprehensible input youtube channel. It's basically effortless to start. Just watch videos in baby-tier Spanish and then gradually increase the difficultyThere's a language learning general on int you should check out too
>>25274117>There's a language learning general on int you should check out tooThey're retards and so are you.
>>25273789>>25274126
>>25274117Seconding this. The method is all explained here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohN45zBuV5s&t=1450s
>>25274103>Jeg snakker norge.norsk.You just said I speak Norway, whereas the adjective would be norsk (Norwegian).I would say that even though most scandi languages are the same, Norwegian has the most complex grammar. It has 3 genders for nouns, whereas Swedish and Danish has 2.And nynorsk is clearly the most complex of all, but that's mostly a meme language that most Norwegians has to learn how to write. It's not that hard to learn, but it is the most complex to master. No sane foreigner would make the effort.
>>25274156Yeah, but norsk doesn't sound like nor-gay so it's not as funny and that's definitely not the reason I forever make that mistake, definitely not for the gay sound.
>>25274156just occurred to me that it wouldn't be an adjective, but the noun for the language. But trust me, the language as a noun is still norsk, same as the adjective.
>>25274166You do you, bro.
>>25273794It's not an "incredibly time-consuming task that requires an enormous amount of effort and willpower", fucking idiot.
>>25271292I think your approach is sound if you are interested in acquiring literacy in your target language. In this sense, reading and using an SRS to memorize vocab is pretty much all you have to do (with a few extra steps according to the particular features of your TL). It is relatively simple in theory, but getting past the first few months will be difficult.Now, if you want to acquire global fluency, so to speak, you'll need to dedicate a lot of time to listening, and, at some point, writing and speaking.
>>25274419Yes it is. You can't learn a language quickly and without putting any effort into it.
>>25271292>>25272249This is good too.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/70a87ad182361704a158ebf9e96cb2ed
>>25274439Dumbass. He said learn, not master. And if you mean learn a certain level then which level, that's totally arbitrary. You never know all there is to know. It's also totally fucking arbitrary which pace, you can learn 5 words in one year or 10,000 words in one week. Retard, brainwashed by school.
>>25274467I assume OP wants to learn Spanish to a level sufficient to communicate with natives in person and online, and possibly even to read works in Spanish like those of Borges and Gabriel García Márquez, which requires a high level of learning. I guess you're correct that it is not a time-consuming task to learn Spanish if by "learn" you mean learning a few basic phrases to ask for directions and order from a restaurant and such, but most language learners including myself want to learn our language to at least a B2 level, enough to understand El Cuarteto de Nos and Bad Bunny. And that does take time and effort.Your point about the pace doesn't seem relevant, since whether you spread out a time-consuming activity over many years or do it all at once, it doesn't change that the total amount of time spent studying and receiving input is going to be very high. Also I don't think you can learn 10,000 words in one week.
>>25271302Yes my autism for Latin is why I succeeded with Latin and no others.>>25271292Pick a basic textbook, .pdfs are online, work through it as quick as possible, then go read or watch stuff you can understand a good chunk of (with a literary language like Latin I highly recommend scaffolded/assisted support like parallel translations or glossing and a lot of grammar lookups).Everything else is essentially just different stages and add-ons to a workflow that looks like that for hundreds of hours. The better your grasp on sounds earlier the better you will grasp stuff you listen to and read. For living languages I find pimsleur is excellent for getting that down quickly. It’s more like a skill than an academic subject, takes consistently doing the thing to get better at it.
>>25271292>Ignorant monoliguist here, so please forgive meWhat happens when you learn a new language? Please expand my mind here.This is going to come off as really ignorant and stupid, but are you just translating in your mind to your primary language (even when fluent in the new language)? What about those words in the new language that have no analogue to your primary language? What happens in your mind with those words? Do you now understand them with your new context in a way that you would be unable to otherwise? Can you be truly multilingual? Or will your base language always influence your understanding of new languages and prevent you from grasping the true meaning that comes from culture and immersion?
I'm often torn between crappy but easy low level books I'd have no interest in if it wasn't for language learning or reading books I'm actually interested in but way above my language level.
>>25271292Take classes. You’ll meet girls.
>>25274499>are you just translating in your mind to your primary languageNo. Reading in another language is just like reading in your first language. It's really fun. You can think in your target language, and sometimes you can understand a sentence but have trouble coming up with the best way to phrase it in English. You should really learn a new language. Listening to or reading a language you only kind of know is a very unique quale. It kind of tickles the brain.
>>25274486Retard
>>25274562There is no need to be upset.
>>25274564You're a fucking retard. Op just said learning, he didn't specify to which level or in how much time. You were the one to insert such factors. Since he just said learning it must be assumed to be just the process of learning, which takes no fucking time or effort at all. And yeah the pace fucking matters, because you said it "requires an enormous amount of effort and willpower". You're so fucking brainwashed and dumb.
>>25271302What if I have ADHD (not complaining btw, just giving context)?I have only managed to master one other language as a kid from playing videogames, but now I cannot commit to one language and keep doubting my selection and wondering if ti will serve me in the future.>>25273744I have even done something similar to this rattata method without meaning to as I discovered that combining nicotine and caffeine helped reduce my rumination and day dreaming while studying. That and it would take me less time to enter a focus state. I have recently quit both substances though as they were making me feel sick and forget to eat food.
>>25274503Ah yes, because OP specified they wanted to impress le pretty gurls.
There’s 3 layers. Grammar rules, vocabulary, and active usage. First and most boringly get the grammar rules down. If you get the grammar of a language down, truly down, you’re already like halfway there. Vocabulary is something you work on the whole time to some extent, but once you have the grammar rules down, you focus on vocabulary. There’s a lot of ways to do that. Finally, active usage means combining grammar and vocabulary and building sentences for everything and working through scenarios - ordering at a restaurant, buying groceries, getting from an airport to a destination and then to other destinations, getting to know someone, etc. It’s actually not that hard to learn languages, it’s just sort of boring and tedious which means it’s easy to get tired of it and give up.
>>25274598>the OP said>the OP said>the OP saidWho gives a fuck what the OP said. Adults are having a discussion about what interests them and you can just stop replying. Retard.
>>25274761Kys degen
>>25271292UNDERSTAND THE GRAMMAR; EVERYTHING FOLLOWS.
>>25271292Poco a poco & all spanish method by Guillermo Hal. For apps I only recommend lingvist Don't worry about grammar until you're good enough to learn it through the language itselfPlenty of input and shadowing
>>25271292>choose language>listen to language >learn script>learn basic grammar>start reading while being sure to listen most than read>look stuff up as you goIf it's Japanese, there's DJT.
>>25271292 (OP)Just read in your TL, starting from the easiest possible texts and working your way up. Look up words and translate as you go. Review by re-reading previous material.My usual roadmap:>beginner textbook like Assimil/Colloquial that has a ton of text/audio, skip the exercises>graded readers (A1/A2/B1/B2, beginnner/intermediate/advanced, etc.)>tv shows/movies/youtube with TL subs (language reactor for quick lookups)>easier translated fiction like Harry Potter or other popular genre fiction>easier novels by natives i.e. krimi/thriller/mystery slop>news/non-fiction>"high brow" novels by natives>specialized domains with their own special vocab i.e. science, tech, cooking etc.
