Everyone here has read at least one "war is le bad" story I'm sure. But are there any books about the evils of so-called "toxic pacifism"?
Plato mentions it here and there
>>25273301>>25273265Plotinus On Providence"Gods do not defend the weak who've done nothing to become stronger."
>>25273265Schmitt shits on pacifism in the concept of the political.
>>25273308In fact having read the Orwell quote after posting this, orwells perspective is the exact opposite from Schmitt regarding the friend enemy distinction, one must choose a side when survival is on the line and often there is no choice on which side to join.
>>25273265this is just a psy op to make you abandon individuality and to be a bug person obeying the emotional whims of his tribe or community
>>25273317Atomistic individualism is the most caustic Jewish psyop of all modernity. Enjoy being impotent.
>>25273265Bhagavad Gita is Hindu version of Bible/Quran. It’s central plot is Hindu Jesus tells guy to go to war even though some of the enemies are his family members as it’s the right thing to do in that context.
>>25273306>>25273308Thanks for the answers, but I was hoping for examples of narrative fiction.
>>25273327my tribe is my family not some economic zone my son won’t die for a fantasy
>>25273349I guess I'll clarify further. What I'm really interested is stories where the tyrants maintain power by lulling the oppressed into a state of apathetic impotence.
>>25273355So just real life?
>>25273265Here's the longer paragraph and essay where the quote is from:https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/pacifism/english/e_patw>Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. Mr Savage remarks that ‘according to this type of reasoning, a German or Japanese pacifist would be “objectively pro-British”.’ But of course he would be! That is why pacifist activities are not permitted in those countries (in both of them the penalty is, or can be, beheading) while both the Germans and the Japanese do all they can to encourage the spread of pacifism in British and American territories. The Germans even run a spurious ‘freedom’ station which serves out pacifist propaganda indistinguishable from that of the P.P.U. They would stimulate pacifism in Russia as well if they could, but in that case they have tougher babies to deal with. In so far as it takes effect at all, pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism.
>>25273265>>25273355Brave New World has police that instead of shooting people spray them with drugs until they calm down.
Not a book, but Mars Attacks. And also Camp of the Saints is about toxic pacifism. >Cowardice toward the weak is cowardice at its most subtle, and, indeed, its most deadly
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>>25273265I experienced toxic pacifism first hand in 2026. The Mullahs in Iran that rule over it with an Iron fist ordered the police and military to open fire on the biggest anti-regime protests in the 45 year history of the regime. Internet is still fully shut off and only regime allied people have it. It’s been 4 months. Trump was a hero for killing the top leaders and bombing the fuck out of them. I still support a full on total war on my country and I wish there’s a ground invasion soon. I was democrat allied but democrats absolutely and totally betrayed me by siding with the government that threatened my life. I still think Trump is a retard but what he did deserves praise and gratitude for any one who gives a fuck about freedom and democracy.
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>>25273327But enough about your father...
>>25274490NTA but no
>>25274895European hubris over the supposed ignorance of Americans is grossly overstated
>>25274766I don't care about Iran. This isn't toxic pacifism it's isolationism and its a brand of isolationism that wants a higher quality of life at home over fixing the world's problems. If this were WWII I would be an isolationist because I don't care about how many Jews or Slavs Hitler kills, I only care if my wages are decent and if I have food at the table and a roof over my head. As long as my country gets a good economic deal out of whichever regime wins I'm happy. The rest of the world can go to hell.
>>25275150This is such a narrow-minded view. I don't believe you've spent more than a minute thinking it over. What do you think happened following our involvement in WWII?
>>25274766why didnt the world bomb and sanction israel when they were genociding gaza?
>>25275193Nta, and not Iranian, but I hope this thing ends soon and the regime kicks rocks without anymore needless bloodshed. I’ve heard rumors that the leadership is preparing to flee to Russia the way the Syrian government did in 2024. If that actually happens they’ll have a much harder time holding onto power from absentia, that’s what finally ended Assad’s reign, although tbf there’s a chicken and egg debate to be had there. Speaking of WWII, do you as a local prefer the name Iran or Persia?
>>25275290i hope the regime occupying jerusalem vanishes from the page of time sooner rather than later
>>25275295You must be a brave man to post such a controversial opinion here.
>>25275150legit 79 IQ take. Isolationism is something that only rednecks and rural poorers espouse that have not read a page about politics how politics works.
>>25275290Iran is what iranians called themselves from the conception of the kingdom, which means of noble roots. Persian is a greek word.
>>25273265Using the word "toxic" automatically makes you a fag.
>>25273265how exactly is he claiming that pacifism is actively hampering "one side"?
>>25275596You rang?
>>25274766I remember the Iraqis celebrating when Saddam was gone lol, where are they now?Trump doesn't care about democracy and freedom nigger
>>25275602Persia is a Greek word referring to the lands ruled by the tribe that produced Cyrus the Great, and Fars is the Persian word for that place. It's kind of a Holland vs Netherlands thing
>>25275626>how exactly is he claiming that pacifism is actively hampering "one side"?Consumption of resources and deprivation of potential support. By merely existing while withholding aid to a war effort for a war your country is engaged in you detract in some small part from your country's capacity to wage war, to say nothing about actively campaigning against war to get others to do the same.Let me put it this way, if the entirety of Britain had converted from military resistance to non-violent resistance during WWII, how would that shit have gone for them?Also, to be abundantly clear, he is talking about pacifism within the context of an ongoing conflict or dispute. He sets aside the question of avoidable war.
>>25275636 I want a country that doesn’t hang me if I go to the streets and protest. That’s not much to ask. I want a country that doesn’t hang me if I change my religion. Or say Muhammad fucked 9yo girls. I want to be treated like a human in my own country.
>>25273317This reflexive thing to figure out 'what the psyop is' for every piece of presented information would be a lot better if it were mediated by first rubbing two brain cells together.Is this a psyop or is it a single guy's opinion from a century ago? Is this the message being promoted by our culture or is it the opposite of the message?Just automatically calling everything a psyop is not clever in of itself.
>>25275670First of all, I doubt you are even living in Iran.Secondly, do you not realise how the country you suck off so much (along with britbongers) is indirectly responsible for the Mullahs coming to power? The revolution would have never set off if brits never installed Reza during ww1, or if Operation Ajax never happened.
>>25275691Fortunately I don’t and if I was I wouldn’t be alive most probably and would have died at some point during all the crack downs. internet’s also currently fully shut off, so no iranians can come here except for Mullahs and their children. We made a mistake iranians are dumb and naive and fell for le basado reactionismo just like Europe in 1900s. It’s entirety our fault. Not england not America. We need the white man‘s help and I hope one day, i can go back without the fear of getting hanged or raped in Evin.
>>25275698>the fear of getting hangedHow hard is it to just shut up about the regime and living your life normally?I'm not a fan of restricting free speech, but is it really that big of an issue for Iranians?
>>25275698No, no, no. You’re just some guy who’s family had to flee for their lives from a land that they’d been in for thousands of years. I’m a pissed off leftwing retard who probably never even finished college and thinks I know everything. Who are you all going to believe?
>>25275715You’d make a great slave
>>25275720There are bigger freedoms to care about than abstract, individualistic ones like freedom of speech.
>>25275715that's just half of it, add superinflation, water crisis due to mismanagement, extremely high poverty despite being an oil rich country due to retarded anti west policies, totally worthless money, and recently, war. though i hope this war will destroy the mullah inshallah.
>>25275350if people had posted anti israel opinions more often 6 months ago, the global fuel and food crisis wouldnt be beginning. antisemitism saves lives
>>25274766Trumps bombing campaign also killed (and deliberately targeted) plenty of opposition figures in Iran. Nice larp retard
>>25275626read the full quote or essay >>25273669
>>25273355Kinda different than the sort of dystopian novels you're thinking off but Emile Zola's Germinal describes how social unrest among coal miners culminates into a violent protest, and it has some very striking passages of the large industrialists trying to lull the miners back into pacifity through various attempts at small concessions, starvation, discipline, bribes, strike breakers and so on. Outside of the obvious of Brave New World thats probably the most direct and concrete example i can think off.
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>>25273265Orwell didn't seem like a very capable thinker
>>25275971What?
>>25273351Yes, he will. You have no say in the matter.
>>25275719Rightoids like colleges now? I thought they were muh Marxist indoctrination hubs.
>>25275971he was also a huge piece of shit who waxed poetic about his anarchist buddies while quietly sweeping it under the rud when they were committing mass atrocities against civillians the more i learn about the man the more disgust if feel for him. literally just a retarded and and evil loser
>>25276882>leftwing retardEmphasis on the word retard. Retards come in every shape, size, and affiliation.
