I just watched Californication and decided I should be a writer.What are the current trends on book sale and what genres should I start writing?Also, should I read some writers to emulate in order to be like Hank Moody?
Watch some other slop and get a new goal you gay retard
>>25274188If you want to sell books, you'll be writing slop so I'd rather you didn't.
>>25274193Nah, I want to write some intellectual shit, but also add in some sex and violence so the common man can enjoy it too.
>>25274192You seem bitter that Hank Moody is a much more celebrated and successful writer than yourself.
>>25274226Hank Moody isn't real
>>25274309Even so.
>>25274358Bukowski's work is where you might find what you're looking for
>>25274380Bukowski wasn't cool. He was just a drunk who banged gutter women.
>>25274391Your gutter-tier telejew literally used Bukowski as its template. If that dissatisfies you because it doesn‘t recreate the imagined result of having consecutive models throw themselves at you for transcribing doggerel and pissing yourself drunk, then congratulations: you‘re on the first step to learning why living in broadcast fantasies is retarded.
>>25274395Calm down, bush league. I'm just looking to start off my new career, and I thought being a writer seemed interesting.I enjoy smoking and good whiskey. I also think it would be an OK venture to sit down and type some shit up in order to maintain my lifestyle. I thinking I might go to hotels and write on this new macbook I bought.
>>25274391I like that interview where he gets drunk, rolls onto his back like a toddler waving his limbs around, and fucking boots a woman in the face. Utterly ridiculous man, made moreso by how far up his own arse he was. Terrible writer.
>>25275132Oh, who do you consider a good writer? That boring jackass, Bruce Wagner?
Holy based
>>25274188You know they actually made the book "God hates us all". You could look at it and maybe draw some inspiration.
>>25274188Needing to ask other people what you should write means you don't have what it takes, man. You'll make no lasting contributions to the field.
>>25276062haters gonna hate.I'll write up some amazing shit and laugh at you from my penthouse apartment.
>>25275101You know there really is something deeply dissatisfying about discovering that an anon you were having fun bullying was only pretending to be retarded.
>>25274188The trick to being a writer is to never read. Once you start letting yourself be influenced by other writers, you lose all your originality. The best writers are all borderline illiterate.
>>25276151Don't feel too bad. I knew it would evoke reactions like yours, but it is also how I really think.
>>25276156A great example is the Quran. I don't have to be moslem to find its images beautiful or its poetry moving.
>>25276266Thank you hackneyed retard.
>>25276300I've been pitching ideas to ChatGPT and it tells me my novel is pretty promising and original.
>>25276306>the eternal dishonest baitposter, always hiding behind layers and layers of narratives, able to evoke an emotional reaction in anyone but himself
>>25276359Kind of like an onion?
>>25276371Huh?
>>25276379Onions have layers.
>>25274188>What are the current trends on book sale and what genres should I start writing?Romanceslop where the girl gets abused but is ok because the guy is hot.Generational trauma featuring a neurotic asian female whose love interest is a white male.Doorstopper fantasyslop that recycles every idea from Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire sprinkled with a dose of contemporary politics and that spans several books.There was a genre about a character who finds a comfy place and its life suddenly improved, but I dunno if that still exists.Finally, in order for your book to succeed you must be a woman or writer under a woman's name, bonus points if ethnic. Good luck!
>>25276385What does an onion have to do with a narrative though?
>>25276391Man, that's actually some solid advice. Thank you for that.>>25276392It's a metaphor, dumbo.
>>25276392They have layers
>>25276395>>25276396They have layers of onion peels. Not narratives.
>>25276398>doesn't understand what a metaphor is0/10 baitposting, retard. Fuck off back to the retards on /a/
>>25276401Concession accepted.
>>25276407Dude, this got nothing to do with hot dog stands at ball games.
>>25276417Do you like onions or narratives on your hot dog?
>>25276424Chilli cheese or chipotle mayo
>>25276431>chipotle mayo on a hot dogWell, I'm leaving the thread with some interesting lunch ideas. As a parting gift, feel free to ctrl+f "narrative":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion
>>25276441Fucking hell, watch Shrek some time and the metaphor with onions and layers will come clear to you.
>>25276446Or Peer Gynt by Ibsen.
>>25274188>What are the current trends on book sale Left wing radical Marxism. It’s inescapable in modern “literature”. Colleges teach their students that lit isn’t an artform, it’s a tool for social change and revolution. This mindset has crossed over into the world of publishing as well. I’ve always wanted to be a writer. I went to an Ivy League school for it and ended up dropping out of grad school and throwing my dreams in the trash and entering the real world. It’s a pipe dream. It was already incredibly rare for someone to be able to make a living writing in the first place, it’s not a real career anyway, but it’s hard to even put into words how far astray lit and the humanities in general have gotten into crazy town. Try to submit some manuscripts to publishers if you can and you’ll see what I mean when you read their liner notes.
>>25277266Mentally fragile.
>>25277271They banned all actual western literature in all of my western literature classes because western writers were all white men but I’m the one who’s weak yeah
>>25277266>you’ll see what I mean when you read their liner notesAgain, solid insight.This is why I'm considering making the main character African American, because a male character of sun kissed persuasion would make all the raunchy sex more palatable for the publisher.Could you give some example of liner notes? I'd rather get it closer to what they want on the first try, I'm too lazy to do a bunch of rewrites.
>>25277324If you up with and know all of the radical dogma and rhetoric currently in fashion on college campuses you’ll know what to expect. Publishers and agents think that modern audiences expect, or even demand, certain tropes that inherently reflect that fashionable dogma. They “expect” themes of class and privilege to be explored, they “expect” queer identities and perspectives, etc… If you write fiction, and you don’t care about anything other than success and money, you might be able to conform to their demands.
>>25277355Fine. I'll add some instances of inner struggles as to whether or not he should suck a cock, even though he really wants to.
>>25277324Don't do writing as a job or to make money. As >>25277355 points out it is too much based on the whims of agents, who are the gatekeepers of the industry. Go on QueryTracker and look for agents in the genre you're interested in writing; you'll see what they're asking for directly and it will answer your question about what they want.You will find that 90% of the agents are women or women who think they're not women, 5% are diverse men, and 5% are white men.Some women seem like they have good taste, so it's not that women agents are all bad. But most of them really are, and in what they're looking for spam "diverse" "multicultural" "marginalized" "queer" "BIPOC" "poly" etcYou should write in your free time while working a real job. Time spent writing in a given day tends to have diminishing returns: after one hour your output slows drastically, so there's no need to go full-time really.
>>25277363Expect notes and rewrites anyway though, anyone who’s actually interested in publishing you will want to fuck with whatever you wrote one way or another 10 times out of 10, so you’ll have to get over being lazy about rewrites. Nowadays AI is a free editor anyway, you can probably make ChatGPT do it.
>>25277277Bud, you have a GED. You have no idea what you’re talking about because you’re a genuine retard who listens to Charlie Kuck and Ben Shalomiro talking points.
>>25277392I probably would have studied more literature in some GED prep class than I did at Columbia. We mostly read theory. It was pathetic and if you had actually gone to college you’d know exactly what I’m talking about even if you agreed with all of it.
>>25274188just write what you like to read.
>>25277401Although I almost forgot, there was a Shakespeare department, but they unironically pushed the idea that Shakespeare was secretly a black lesbian. That was actually the first time I’d ever heard that
>>25277421Uhhh huh
>>25277425Yeah, I suppose I wouldn’t have believed it either. If I had I wouldn’t have wasted half my life pursuing a field filled with professors who only wanted to destroy everything I’ve ever loved, calling it “English literature” in the process. I could have just bough all of Edward Said’s terrible books on my kindle and not had to endure the constant communist indoctrination and saved a few hundred grand.
>>25277447How many threads must I run you out of? Nobody believes your moral panic about da joos and da markzists
>>25277458You think you’re fighting with me in multiple threads? I think maybe you should log off of 4chan for a while buddy. I’m sure you’re incapable of ending an argument so I’ll do it for you and just ignore you from now on.
>>25277458I believe him.
>>25277376Man that sucks, but I guess they have to justify their job by demanding rewrites.
>>25277447Post a syllabus, fag
>>25277609To get anything published you have to first “sell” it to a literary agent, metaphorically speaking. Then they have to be able to actually sell it to a publisher, literally speaking. The easiest things for them to sell are in a handful of popular genres of fiction that the market seems to want. So right off the bat you’re basically being pigeon holed by gatekeepers into some kind of repetitive formula that they feel comfortable with. If you try to give exactly that to them they’ll still take anything out that they find that somehow makes them uncomfortable, or add things that they think it needs “to sell”. If you push back at all they won’t argue but they’ll start getting uncomfortable and the more you make them uncomfortable the more likely it is they’ll just vanish into thin air. They’re always very polite though.
>>25277675So if I'm catching your drift correctly, the best way would be to find one or two literary agents, see if they manage authors I like. Buy their books to see what trends and themes they do, and try to implement that shit into my own shit?
If you're a pulp genre slopper you might as well just self-publish these days. Publishers literally don't do anything for you, and the audience buying the book on amazon doesn't care who the fuck published it.If you're writing literary fiction and you're in it for the prestige of getting published, forget about it if you're a generic white guy.
Why do zoomers incessantly feel the need to teach horses to run backwards
>>25277768Sure, that’s a good start, any author should read much more than they write anyway, and that sounds like a good way to get an understanding of what these people want. I feel I should once again warn you though that writing is an incredibly hard way to make even a small amount of money in. You’ve got a better chance of making money writing fetish porn on commission than you do of getting paid to write a novel. You need to be prepared to write for views, not money. It’s the only way to build a portfolio and get yourself out there.
>>25277838I'm thinking maybe if I write something that gets a movie adaptation I could get the money it. Something like Palahniuk.
>>25278016It’s a fine dream anon, and I’m praying for you, but your best bet is always going to be self promotion. Over 90% of books that get published by major companies like Simon & Schuster and Penguin Random House sell less than 12 copies total. These publishers spend less than 2% of their budget on advertising and 99% of that money goes to advertising their intended best sellers that they paid large advances for. You have to build up a reputation and a portfolio and get your own name out there if you want anyone to read your books. Usually through freelancing for websites and your own social media efforts.
