If you consider it, Christianity (and all such religions) are supremely hedonistic. The whole thing is oriented towards attaining the most pleasure for as long as possible in the imaginary realm of heaven, and avoiding pain and discomfort in hell. Thoughts of heaven and even hell frequently provide Christians with pleasure here on earth as well, picturing their enemies suffering and so forth. And of course, it lessens the fear of death, which is painful and distressing. Especially if they are poor and miserable on earth.It is all very sick, arrogant and foolish! How is any different from a junkie? Or a person who wishes to enter a sci-fi, matrix pleasure device?
>>25276563This point about intemperate temperance comes up a few times already in PlatoPhaedo:>They are temperate because they are intemperate—which might seem to be a contradiction, but is nevertheless the sort of thing which happens with this foolish temperance. For there are pleasures which they are afraid of losing; and in their desire to keep them, they abstain from some pleasures, because they are overcome by others; and although to be conquered by pleasure is called by men intemperance, to them the conquest of pleasure consists in being conquered by pleasure. And that is what I mean by saying that, in a sense, they are made temperate through intemperance.Philebus:>For do we not say that the intemperate has pleasure, and that the temperate has pleasure in his very temperance?Protagoras:>Even pleasure you deem an evil, when it robs you of greater pleasures than it gives, or causes pains greater than the pleasure… You call pain a good when it takes away greater pains than those which it has, or gives pleasures greater than the pains.
>>25276563All beliefs can fit into the Epicurean outlook of their ultimate goals being that of pleasure.
>>25276563>The whole thing is oriented towards attaining the most pleasure for as long as possible in the imaginary realm of heavenIsn't that just literally every person's own personal world view period? Religion, Atheism, etc.
Lucretius was a moronic rube.
>>25276655Nietzsche disavowed the pursuit of eudaimonia, and de Sade sort of did as well (he preached self-indulgence but ultimately considered the complete destruction of humanity through violence the greatest outcome)
>>25276655no, actuallythe alternative view is that pleasure and pain are instruments that give you information about how you're doing at enacting your valueson this view, the pleasure-maximizer is like a man who gets into his car, opens up the dashboard, and forcibly moves the speedometer to its maximum value while leaving the car stationary in the driveway. getting a high reading on the speedometer is an instrumental goal, not a terminal one. you want it only to the extent that it means you are moving quickly toward your destination.
>>25276563Religion is counsciousness-slop, people only like it because they can think about it.
>>25276563This would be true for Islam, but false for Christianity, because Christianity rejects the possibility of physical pleasure in heaven, and believes that people there will only worship God all the time.
>>25277034Most laymen see heaven as a place of physical pleasure. 99,9% of Christians, both today and historically believed in a physical heaven where you get to enjoy physical pleasures. The scriptures and their interpretation of heaven as a place where you sing praises to God and achieve oneness with him is a niche belief when taking the whole of Christianity into consideration.
>>25276563The Good is what's beautiful, they're beautymaxxers, or transcendent-looksmaxxers in the absolute.
>>25277061In popular Christianity, all kinds of beliefs are common, but the official churches, both Catholic and Orthodox, have always rejected such beliefs.
>>25277034Man can only imagine physical pleasure when he thinks of heaven, because experience has not acquainted him with any other kind of pleasure. All pleasure is physical pleasure.
>>25276655I think basically everyone would do anything to stop torture at some point, but I don't think people strictly optimize their pleasure.E.g. someone who dies for his children, sure the loss of his children would hurt, but if he stayed alive he would also have decades left to experience pleasure. He would probably experience more pleasure than the pain of losing his children, and at least some are aware of that.
Take the Sabbath pill.
>>25276563I'm just going to believe in Jesus as a non-Jew, Aryan philosopher whose message was co-opted by Semites. Nothing about Jesus is contradictory to paganism, so I say.
>>25277034>and believes that people there will only worship God all the timehonestly is there a more retarded religion than christianism?
>>25276563Shalom
