If you don't know German and French you're not fully human.
Learning German rn and surprisingly it's much harder than Japanese, the latter feels like a conlang by comparison in terms of grammar and syntax. The amount of pointless uses of sich alone is maddening
>>25279306Nobody cares about your language anymore, Pierre. English is king.
>>25279313Thanks for proving my point.
>>25279306I know French and it's not particularly relevant to anything.You're just an insufferable pretentious douchebag, I think.
>>25279306I am thinking about learning French for reading purposes. They had some solid authors. But I don't know how long it will talk to actually be able to read books. Is there any point in using books to learn a language btw? I don't care about pronunciation and listening. But books still seem kinda interesting when there is so much material out there. I only speak English und German currently.
>>25279306This but Greek
>>25279306And If you only know German or French you're fully subhuman
>>25279360With these you can begin reading right away.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/98ae65df102363389e715697b2832775https://archive.org/details/tudeprogressived00sterhttps://archive.org/details/easyfrenchreadin00fishThese are good too:https://archive.org/details/childsillustrate00keethttps://archive.org/details/longmansillustra00bidghttps://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-le-francais-par-la-methode-naturehttps://archive.org/details/progressivepro00coll/page/1https://archive.org/details/selectionofonehu00perr/page/1https://archive.org/details/premierlivredele00unsehttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000006968175
>>25279360Reading is the most effective way to learn a language, every other method is inferior for language acquisition>But I don't know how long it will talk to actually be able to read booksIt depends on what you mean by read and which books you want to readYou could 'read' L'Étranger within a year of studying 2 hours a day
>>25279319>San_2.jpgMajority of French speakers are black
>>25279391African bushmen are more cultured than anglophones, and hence more cultured than you.
>>25279306I speak French, my dad made sure of that, but read in English. Idk, reading in French fills me with this cold sensation and a feeling of incompleteness. It's sad really, seeing the time I dedicated to learning this language end up serving no purpose but watching some French TV programs.
>>25279319Paris looks fire.
>>25279460>Nobody cares about your language anymore, Pierre. English is king.
>>25279306You mean English and Mandarin.>>25279464I feel like I'm about to be harassed to purchase a knock-off handbag and sunglasses at the foot of the eiffel tower.
>>25279306Greek and latin
>>25279306The question isn't which European languages you know. It's whether you can name something in any language that couldn't be named before you named it. The language you inherit shapes what you can see. The language you make is the evidence that you've seen past it.
French filtered me hard.
>>25279355The french had the best bookbinders in history
>>25279487>You mean English and Mandarin.globohomo maxxing
>>25279367Give OP a break
I read Lolita recently and sort of wanted to learn some French because of how much there was in that book.
>>25279306If you only speak one language you should unironically kill yourself. What a worthless, anti-intellectual existence.
>>25279306I can't read shit on my screen, give a good book to start French with
>>25279397Exactly what we'd expect a frog to say
>>25279464Spanish is far more important and useful these days but it does feel a little plebeian in comparison>>25279507>Any man who doesn't know Greek will never feel like a real intellectualEnglish, French, German, Greek, Latin... Spanish? Is that what is needed these days?
>>25279670https://archive.org/details/childsillustrate00keet/page/20
>>25279798>muh USEFULkill yourself incurious utilitarian uncultured swine
If you don't know Hebrew you're fully gentile.
>>25279306don't speak no baguettedon't speak no sauerkrautdon't speak no burritodon't speak no mozzarelladon't speak no shing shang shongdon't speak no ooga boogadon't speak no shritchmitchvitchdon't speak no allahu akbar
>>25279306True, I'm a Martian. Thanks for noticing. Now lay down on a table so I can probe Uranus.
>>25279583German and French and Latin and Greek are just the globohomos of yore.(Especially the greeks)
>>25279306Being hyper literate and intelligent in English is all that matters. Intermediate literacy in other languages is fantastic, but you'll never be as intelligent as your main language. Average lifespan isn't long enough to waste time becoming hyper fluent in multiple languages, you could have spent that time studying something else. People will brag about learning new languages and then have the math/science knowledge of a middle schooler. Zero sum game plebs.
>>25279956video game brain
>>25279956You haven't learned one fucking word of any language, so stfu.
LLM plus dictionary is more than sufficient for all scholarly purposes outside of original manuscript examination. You live atop a peak the great Renaissance humanists could only dream of. Scorn not the fruits of their ambitions.
>>25279925But you know how to stroke your cock. Real pro at that.
>>25279965Retard
>FrenchKek
>>25279355OP is just trying to justify having wasted time learning French
>>25279782Bodied that freak
>>25279965Considering LLM, we should be in an indie golden age where self published book games and music take over
>>25279968yeah it's fun, bet you wish you hadn't cut yours off
i'm getting filtered by french pronunciation right at the outset, aiieeee
>>25279956bro if you're not reading grothendiecks papers in the original i dont consider you european
I am interested in learning French, but I'm too old and dumb to learn new languages. The other issue with trying to learn either German or French is that there is no one around me who speaks those languages, so I would miss out on opportunities to practice.
>>25279311skip the articles as they occur naturally after a while and two of the four cases get barely used. after that, you have something much more manageable.
>>25280297>>25280395You're simply retarded
>>25279311Ooh wie er sich einscheisst wegen diesem simplen wort. Ich meine, wenn man sich etwas reinhängt ist das alles gar kein problem mehr. lölIn school I had 4 years of french but we were out of control and just disrupted class and didnt learn much at all. Today I regret how much of a fucking idiot I was back then. But I was a kid and that government school was fucked already. I can still somewhat understand a little here and there but I couldnt form a sentence to save my life. 4 years wasted af but doing good in that class was social suicide with the dysfunctional weed smokers all around me.I am interested in learning it again. The french at least have some spicy authors left. I read >with their hearts in their bootsIts by some french former actor guy that died of alcoholism. That novella was awesome. Would love to read it in french someday. Reading camp of saints at the moment anf boy howdy did that guy call all the faggotisms we have suffocating us today. Its actually scary to read that shit just to know we have been born into a world that was destroyed decades ago and we can barely tell how much was already lost. Fuck.
>>25279956unfortunately English writers only want to write about the most pedestrian and inane subject matters
>>25279985He's the kind of guy that finally hits a 2 plate bench for a single and then goes on /fit/ and says 'anyone who can't bench 2 plates is a punk ass weak bitch and should die.'
>>25280518Yeah, the one guy literally just said he's too dumb.Good detective work and really fantastic post. You're just a killer all around.
>>25280882Kys fuckface. They're dumb as fuck because they're just lazy and brainwashed into learned helplessness. Nobody is too old to learn, and it's really fucking easy to learn languages, and when something is challenging, like learning nasal vowels, that's part of what makes it fun and rewarding, and there are tons of videos etc to help. Go stroke your fucking cock if you want instant gratification, subhuman retard.
>>25280705You didn't miss out on shit, retard. School is not for learning, actually the total opposite. If you want to learn anything at all then you do it on your own.
>>25281486Look at you, you made an actual post with arguments and information. Big improvement>>25281491I agree for almost everything but language. I am glad I learned languages in school as a kid
>>25281639kys retard, "I'm too dumb" as you posted is a total shitpost
Frederick the Great preferred French
>>25281486>Nobody is too old to learnTry saying that again when you're older, kiddo. Get off my board.
>>25279311Learn Chinese instead. It's more useful than German, and it still has that "conlang" feel you're used to in Japanese. 别找借口王八蛋你真是一个废物!
>>25279306Je m’appelle Anon.That’s pretty much what I know.
>>25281958Yeah, it's a bullshit idea. You didn't even try learning a language, retard. You didn't even check any of my links. For example this. If you can't learn with this it's not that you're old, it's that you're clinically retarded.https://archive.org/details/childsillustrate00keet/page/20
I said learn not master look i can teach you dios is God in Spanish there you have now learned a language. Nobody esaid master.
>>25281969>muh usefulThe topic of the thread is that if you don't know German and French you're subhuman. Subhumans learn for utility, patricians learn for intellectual cultivation, so thanks for proving my point.
>>25281979Yeah, you're right. Utility and cultivation are mutually exclusive. 学而时习之,不亦说乎?
>>25281999Yeah, they are.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp8hX0U-jw
>>25279311Just think of reflexive verbs as a whole unit. Bedienen is one word, bedienen... sich, or sich... bedienen is a separate word with a separate meaning. German is not that hard; the main hurdle is how they can split verbs. But at least for reading you can just cheat and skip to the end of the clause. Let me rephrase actually the main hurdle is vocabulary, that's true of any language. Grammar can be a pain but it is relatively easy compared to memorizing thousands and thousands of words.
>>25282023>memorizing thousands and thousands of words.thats any language though
>>25279943old = goodnew = bad
>>25281767That wasn't me>>25281958I know a 60 year old learning Japanese right now and actually making a more learnable version of it
>>25282107doesn't matter, you defended that retard
>>25282118Actually, I criticized you. I have made it my mission on this board to get people to just put the slightest effort in rather than fart out useless crap, that is my obsession
>>25282126And my point was that "I'm getting filtered" and "I'm too old and dumb" are shitposts that don't deserve an effortpost in response. kys fag
>>25282140>try to think of a good comeback>too old and dumb to do sothis website filters me sometimes
>>25279943Were the Latins and Greeks gay?!Pseudo spotted.
>>25282164ich bin mir sicher, in deinem kopf klang es clever
>>25279670>>25279799https://web.archive.org/web/20220619213334/https://fiverr-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/f_pdf,q_auto/v1/attachments/generic_asset/asset/17699e18f2c1088c7f583e97555f7db1-1654762451168/My%20Four%20Fabulous%20Uncles%20-%20French_V3.pdf
anyone else only really use English? I speak my native language for admin stuff and with cashiers but that's about it
>>25279464you're not white
>>25282203>willfully missing out on centuries of literature
>>25282244it's not my will, and I do read some Camus, Flaubert, Maupassant. But Anglo and Burger stuff is more my thing and other languages have a better English translation 90% of the time. There's also zero (0) worthwhile discussion on the french speaking internet
>>25282289>other languages have a better English translation 90% of the timeyou are in the position of being able to "triangulate" the original text through translations into multiple languages
>>25282203Do you not talk to anyone in IRL besides cashiers?
>>25282168Pro certo habeo te diligenter studuisse.
I wish I could know a real literature language. I just can't learn new things
>>25279413This is at least 1/Rd of the reason I've learned CJK.
>>25279798Add a US adversary language and something purely for intellectual (linguistic, philological) or pleasure purposes (Korean), and you have the core of it, yes.
>>25282330NTA but I don't leave my house or travel
>>25282438>I just can't learn new thingsYeah you can, you're just brainwashed by school into learned helplessness.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessnessI posted an image and a link here: >>25281976Can you learn this sentence?>Où est Charles?Où = Whereest = isCharles = CharlesWas that hard or impossible? Then go on, the next sentence is going to be just as easy. Then you just keep going.
>>25282518Who's Charles?
>>25282518Yes. Also I recommend thinking of studying in terms of time, not concrete goals. So instead of "I will read three pages, memorize thirty new words, and review three hundred words", just say "I will study for 45 minutes". If you put in the time you will learn the language, simple as.
>>25282535I don't think of learning in terms of any goal, time-wise or otherwise, I think for me personally it's counter-productive. I do it purely out of enjoying the process itself. I want to zoom in and focus and have the world beyond melt away, really dig into a small thing, the page is the universe, it's like meditation. It can be done with knitting, model airplanes/railroads, fly tying, fishing, painting, math or whatever. When you're in that zen space then you're doing it right. Studying for goals takes you out of that.
>>25282535Also, it annoys me that the word "learn" is ambiguous. You are not using the word with the same meaning as I do. This alone is reason to learn a language, English is trash.
>>25282589As we all know, English is the only language with ambiguities
>>25282424tut mir leid aber ich kann kein schwäbisch
>>25282330
>>25282203yeahI feel like I can't even write formal documents in my native language anymore. what's funny is that I don't think I mastered the english language either. I never get called ESL outright but something about my grammar gives it away like >>25282168 does. so now I speak two languages half-assed.
>>25279311we did german in school and it was insanely easy. lends itself very well to british english.
>>25282934same, my written english is almost there but my spoken english will forever be gimped. Can't make my snappy witty remarks. the difference between them in my head and when they reach my mouth is brutal
>>25279306Which of these should I learn first? Or should I learn latin first?I'm really into cooking so French had that. But I'm also really into Opera, which lends itself more to GermanI'm torn
>>25279822What's intra-jewish elitism like? Do they make fun of people who don't know Hebrew? How does an American jew compare to an Eastern European one?
>>25283425most jews in the west are atheist, from experience
Bratwurst & bageutte. I know all I need to know.
>>25283434ching chang chong, bang dat dong
>>25283338Start with French because it's easier, and if you're in America or the UK you'll see more French than German. Also start with French because it's a romance language, so if you're an indecisive or inconsistent type the benefits will carry-forward if you start another language.
>>25283433The sons of Abraham have fallen.
>>25282612No, but it has a fuckton more syntactic ambiguity than most other languages, especially synthetic languages like Latin, Russian and German. English is a garbage language.
>>25283338people who post random irrelevant images for attention are low-IQ degenerates, I suggest you kill yourself
>>25279306Imagine the feeling of cuckoldry being forced upon someone writing this in English. After the World Wars, both the Germans and the French were subdued and culturally colonized by the English.
