I taught myself Greek and I can't really recite all the verb paradigms off the top of my head anymore but I just intuitively know how to correctly read/parse them when I see them (especially in context) 9 times out of 10. Is this normal? Is it normal to be able to read from context? Sometimes I'll come across a vocab word I don't know either but I can tell what it means based on context? Is this normal? Or should I be able to analyze every little thing and know every little detail like I originally learned when doing the grammar-translation method???? Am I cheating??? Like I'm happy I can read but am I cheating?
No you didn't
>>25280983What do you mean?
>>25280965>and I can't really recite all the verb paradigms off the top of my headthen did you REALLY teach yourself Greek?
>>25280965What other languages do you know?
>>25280993Yeah but I just like know a third person aorist when I see it... I just know when a verb is in the imperfect tense. When I see hina, I always know there will be a subjunctive paired with it. I can tell objective and subjective genitives apart and know how genitive absolutes work too and can just easily identify them automatically. So I did learn it! But I still feel like I am cheating. :(
>>25280994I only know English fren. To be quite honest with you I only really can read Greek.
>>25280965Its not impossible, the greeks themselves performed similar feats of intuition with their oracles, You probably have good social skills, the midwits will never believe you though
>>25280965There was an age when you could read English perfectly well but couldn’t recite every aspect of the grammar.>Sometimes I'll come across a vocab word I don't know either but I can tell what it means based on context? Is this normal?This is literally how the guys who wrote the Greek dictionaries you use came up with the definitions.
>>25280965>Is this normal?yes, especially since actually attested forms will often be a small subset of the whole declension tableI couldn't for the life of me, unless thinking about it and recalling common patterns, tell you some random form of the athematic ἵημι if you asked me, but I don't recall, at least not recently, stumbling upon an unknown word which turned out to be one of its conjugated forms, context + root is usually enough to recognize itthis is also why composing is on the other hand much harder and takes me definitely more time
>>25281726I only practiced a little bit of composition in the beginning but most of my journey has just been reading. I find composing harder too especially with the polythematic verbs because the conjugations are unpredictable. Also accents destroy me. I can't memorize all the stupid rules for the life of me. If I compose all I know is where to place the breathing marks and the subscripts or accents to differentiate one word from another if they're spelled the same. Only the most common words with accents, like changing the acute in kai to a grave, I can memorize.
>>25281761Good. Accents and breathings are soulless.
Wish that were me
>>25281761huh I never had trouble with the accents, I've heard others lament it but maybe it's cause I learned it since the beginning and stumbled upon the right resources, once you get the general principles the seemingly weird rules make sense
>>25281815Yeah the resources I had only went over the rules briefly and never returned to them again. But like I said they were focused more so on reading ability than being able to write or even speak the language. That was my goal mainly too. I just wanted to be able to read the texts I wanted to read, coherently. But now... now I feel like maybe I fucked up a bit because I see other people writing this stuff out and it makes me feel like I missed out of a big aspect of learning this language. Reading ability? I'm fine. I'm not 100% fluent but I can handle myself pretty well. I don't have much trouble. I can look at a text and sight read it depending on difficulty level. But man... I can't compose for shit.
>>25281834hearing it is definitely also part of the pleasureI made a similar regrettable mistake when I did not put much thought into long vowels when learning Latin, Greek is more lenient in that regard due to the alphabet+orthography, so when I eventually got to poetry I had to reverse course a bit
How do I self teach Greek like OP did?
>>25282039Logos: Linga Graeca + Athenaze
*Lingua
Is learning Greek less boring than Latin everytime I try LLPSI i fall asleep by chapter 2 I think its because I already know a romance language and did some very basic Latin in school so it just feels really boring like I'm not learning anythingAlso the only Latin I can think I'd want to read is the aeneid. And maybe some medieval scholars
>>25282089that's kinda relative, but maybe you hinted at a good reason, if it feels like a challenging puzzle maybe you get hooked on more
>>25280993he said he can read, not that he could write>>25281023what do u think of pic rel?
>>25282109what is that page from
>>25282122Logos lingua Graeca
>>25282133thank youyes I can read the letters and a few words (thanks to Evola lol), and also agree with the other anon with regards to LLPSI
>>25280965Αδερφέ αν μπορείς να διαβάσεις και να κατανοήσεις τότε μία χαρά είσαι. Μην σε αγχώνει. Δεν υπάρχει 'κλέψιμο' στην μάθηση μίας γλώσσας. Συνέχισε την προσπάθεια. Ούτε είναι ανάγκη να μάθεις κάθε γραμματικό κανόνα. Η γλώσσα είναι έκφραση.
>>25282252>modern GreekGtfo
>>25282373Ο άνθρωπος εδώ δεν μπορεί να εκτιμήσει την εξέλιξη μίας γλώσσας στο πέρασμα του χρόνου. Τι θλιβερό.
>>25280965My great-grandfather was patrician, I still have his copy of the Iliad in Greek. When he was in hospital he had a Greek orderly and he would try to converse with her in Attic for the sake of kek.
>>25282380Modern Greek is so shit compared to classical or even Koine. Fuck off.
>>25282440i doubt you know any of the three well enough
>>25280965Are you retarded? That's exactly how you read English, of course it's normal: it's the end goal. Still being able to parse text formally is a bonus. Keep reading, maybe brush up on some paradigms.
>>25282089Just get a student's copy of the Aeneid.
>>25282451Is it exactly how you read English though? Didn't you already know English before you read it? I didn't know Greek before I could read it. I can only read it. I cannot speak it.
>>25282109Dionysus is a Greek god. Hephaestus is also a Greek god. Dionysus and Hephaestus are Greek gods. Yes, Apollo is also a Greek god. Dionysus, Haphaestus, and Apollo are Greek gods.
I don't get it
>>25282671>Dionysus is a Greek god.I thought they imported him from Carthage, where wine (and cheese, ironically in the city of Melqart/Hercules) was invented...>inb4 all Greeks are liars
>>25282112>what do u think of pic rel?I have no idea
Imagine knowing Greek but not Latin. What a joke
>>25283228It's skipping straight to the good part.
>>25283497This anon is in a very Chinese part of their life
>>25283228latins knew greek thoughfirst piece of "latin" literature was a translation of homer (unfortunately i can't remember if the iliad or odyssey)
