>the music kids listen to today sucksBrilliant insight, I can see why leftists worship him.
>>25283326but leftists are most likely to say that today's music is le heckin good and more diverse and better than the problematic whitecentric music of the past or something
>>25283326Capitalist Realism: "Why does everyone look at the sad reality of historically existing Marxist-Leninist regimes and the failure of proletarian revolution in any industrialized country and rationally conclude that Marxism is bullshit?"
wtf i love fisher now
It's more that culture as a whole, including music, is stuck in an endless pastiche of the past. For example, theneedledrop gave a Charli XCX album a 10/10 for "revitalizing Y2K era aesthetics but with a hyper futuristic jittery sound."
>>25283362China is currently mogging the West, the US president just went there to pay tribute like a seventh-century king
>>25283359thisleftists destroyed quality standards when they decided you can't criticize anything, you have to let people enjoy things**things that are are approved by media for carrying the right message
>>25283391To reactionary anons, China is "NatSoc" which is how they explain away the fact an openly ML country is also nationalistic and engaged in cultural conservationism. They'll do anything to avoid conceding a win to leftists. The entire basis of their politics is being anti-left rather than any positive values like social harmony.
>>25283410tiny yellow wageslave “hands” typed this
>>25283411even if a 'tiny yellow wageslaves hands' typed that it doesn't mean its wrong in the slighest, the time of the west is over westoid
>>25283420It’s insane to me that the shill factory has the chinks on the English literature board. I understand it’s a barebones operation but at least get one who can read lol
"wtf i love fisher now" is what you say when you have read forty pages and a tweet thread. op posted the orange one because the orange one fits in a screenshot. >theneedledrop on charli xcx is the only music citation in this whole thread and it is from a youtuber whose review of *brat* was an 8. fisher hated this. fisher specifically. the pastiche-of-the-past argument is in *ghosts of my life* (zero books 2014, the green one, his face is not on it) and the argument is that hauntology is the dead future haunting the present and y2k revival is the corpse the present is fucking. you are agreeing with him by accident. the thread that converted to fisher in one reply will deconvert in three.
>>25283422lets be real, ccp has more important things to be doing than spreading propaganda on 4chan out of all places lol
>>25283438They devote billion to cyber ops lmao
>>25283411I'm white actually but I've lived around Chinese most of my life. I think their societies are admirable whether under communism or capitalism. Likely because their culture prioritizes pragmatism whereas the West loses itself in ridiculously abstract debates over nothing. The appreciation for abstractness produces great philosophy but it also preoccupies countries over matters that concern not even 1% of the population.>>25283420I think the West will live on but as an increasingly alien and nightmarish place, in a constant process of radical cultural mutation in order to further feed the capitalist god. >>25283422It's insane to me that we all sense our countries doing worse but you people reflexively try to cut off any attempt at looking abroad for a place which is doing certain things better. As in India or China itself historically, a country undergoing decline spawns these kind of arrogant, prideful, pig-headed people that do nothing but hate everyone within or without and prevent any attempt at self-correction. The West is in its Qing Dynasty moment and you're the Confucian bureaucrat encouraging Cixi to maintain the status quo. "We've always been the center of the world, not to worry!"
>>25283458Is it true that China’s birthrate is so low because they have the sideways pussy?
>>252834384chan is cheap, demographically captured, and screenshot-able into ten downstream platforms by 9am. the only people who think state actors don't bother with 4chan are the people who think they're too smart to be the target. you are exactly the target. they made the post you screenshotted last week. you laughed at it. you reposted it. you are the unpaid intern of a propaganda apparatus you don't believe exists. lol indeed.>>25283393the standards collapsed when criticism became a feeling, and the feeling, on every side, is your feeling. left lets you enjoy what you're told to enjoy. right lets you enjoy what you're allowed to enjoy. the operative word is enjoy. the operative grammar is the second-person-permissive. both halves of the discourse are a daycare arguing over who gets to hand out the snack. quality was killed by the fact of the audience, not by its politics. you are the audience. your taste is what a website served you when you were nineteen and lonely. the kids on charli's discord listen better than you do because they at least admit the algorithm fed them. you think you chose this. you didn't choose anything.
>>25283468Why are you trying to educate the shill LOL nice good cop routine. If you guys were this smart all the time you could take over the world. It’s too bad that they only have the convict class posting on here.
>>25283439To control their own people, not propagandize abroad.
>>25283465No I think it's more to do with rapid urbanization and over competitiveness.
>>25283473Right, the west is so enamored with China that they pollute their own web with clunky, lazy chinglish propaganda lmao
>>25283475I heard it’s because the smartest babies can’t fit through the sideways pussy so they’re stuck in kind of a “tallest midget” situation in terms of who actually gets born
>>25283476I don't really see why it's so unthinkable that some westerners take an interest in Chinese society and politics. I would never advocate for copying from them wholesale but it's hard not to feel a certain enviousness. Their country isn't swamped with Indians nor is it undergoing a kind of cultural self-loathing just to make conditions more amenable for interlopers. They have their problems to be sure, but China will be recognizably Chinese centuries from now. It's hard to say the same for the US or the UK.
>>25283490Anon I know you’re being held at gunpoint to post this stuff but I really don’t care if you get shot or not. I would like to thank you for substantiating my argument for me with such transparent damage control. Maybe you’ll come back as a tree or something less unfortunate in the next life
>>25283476seethe westoid, your time on the world stage is up. say hello to china
>>25283503Hi China, get some smarter monkeys please, these ones are blowing their cover!
>>25283505What's with this subhuman jeet accusing people of being chinese for criticizing pissrael?
>>25283410>ML country>nationalistic and engaged in cultural conservationismThese are contradictory. Making China fascist (which is fine).
>>25283458> think their societies are admirable whether under communism or capitalism. Likely because their culture prioritizes pragmatism whereas the West loses itself in ridiculously abstract debates over nothing.That's true, they have a very strong pragmatic streak. I don't think China is particularly communist though and a lot of the alien and nightmarish aspects of the West that you alluded to are just as true there if not even more accelerated and atomized and degraded in various ways. The government is different for sure but I've come to think it's like another variation on the same 21st century predicament. Also suspect that the Western view of China is basically 4-5 years behind the reality, so there's a wave of Sinophilia at the moment which would have made more sense in the late 2010s when the economy was growing at 8-10% annually before COVID and the housing crash (which has destroyed savings), but I wouldn't be surprised to see future expectations get downgraded.>>25283490>nor is it undergoing a kind of cultural self-loathingThe Chinese internet is full of self-loathing. But maybe you could say they're self-loathing in a Chinese finger trap sort of way, so you can't hate yourself for it, so most still have a sense of defending their own people. Self-loathing might be a universal experience of modernization.
>>25283326haha yeah. now let me go enjoy the immense vibrant world of culture that exists on social media. the future's sure looking bright!
>>25283569A chinkoid has no business using the word subhuman
>>25283326>is there no alternative>oh fuck there isn’t >guess i’ll dieHe did his best for ol Marx.
>>25283716>i’m drinking out of the toilet and it tastes like shit>won’t someone save me from this toiletDrink elsewhere>no! don’t you see i’m forced to drink here because other people do
>>25283391Don't like chinks, simple as
>>25283326I wrote polemics against him
>>25283326Mark Fisher, Adam Curtis, Zizek, Deleuze and the likes are all part of the same consortium of sophistipop concept selling for leftsloppers who don't want to engage with any kind of serious works
>>25283359Get with the program, grandpa. The backlash to poptimism is well underway.
>>25283326The 2000s were a really grim time for any serious class analysis. The only way you could get any platform was to engage in post-structuralist university babble and culture analysis. No concrete movements, no historical analysis. Mark Fisher is interesting because he is the self-aware expression of that trend and its limitations. In line with this, i read the ' A phenomenology of working class experience' recently, written in the same cultural milieu of 2000s liberal 'end of history' UK. Its written by a working class guy from Rotherham that wants to describe and explain the cultural and economic rot in the UK working class milieu of his home town. How the proud factory workers and labor unionists from the 70s and 80s got turned into the sort of sad and frustrated people you see queuing outside of the job center today. But it is very clear that the only way he could get this book published was to add this same sort of post-structuralist university babble that slogs down the book and prevents any concrete analysis from forming outside of some remarkably lucid fragments of interviews with working class people he includes.
>>25283393Blackrock has pushed DEI more than any other force on the planet and if you try to paint mutha fucking Blackrock as leftist I'll find your address, come to your door, and wag my finger at you.
>>25284075this, plus a third of the chinee are in third world living conditions and changing that would destroy their advantage
>>25285523Liberal conglomerates are inherently leftist.
>>25285535About to knock on your door Mister!
>>25283359You're an idiot.
>>25283458China has the great firewall so subhuman trannies like you can simply project whatever you want on to chinks. In reality they work 996 so their capitalist bosses can buy lamborghini and gucci.>I think the West will live on but as an increasingly alien and nightmarish place, in a constant process of radical cultural mutation in order to further feed the capitalist god.Subhuman trannies like yourself have been saying this for over a century ever since it became clear that marxism is completely wrong and totally failed. A tranny would instantly 41% trying to exist in the brutally competitive reality which is life for real life chinks. >>25283410China has free markets, stock exchanges, billionaire entrepeneurs, vast social inequality, factory drones working themselves to death for western multinationals. You are pathetic.
>>25286050>chang has chinged his last chongOh NO NO NO!
>>25283410>China is actually communist deep down I swearthis is one of the more pathetic copes leftists do
>>25286054This. China? Paper tiger! Not so big!
>>25283410In China you can feel good building socialism when you deliver noodles from restaurants, cooked by wage slaves, to office buildings where they'll be consumed by wage slaves. You can also go to school and learn classical capitalist developmentalist economics (like about how your investments are productive until they aren't, and then you have to spend money to retool or destroy them) and call that socialist and believe you're building socialism. You can say hell yeah, development good, look at GDP. You can pose outside Costco in Shanghai and pretend you're in L.A. (this is also a thing) and feel good about building socialism around people who are genreally VERY anti-revolutionary because their families were often capitalist pre-1949, which is ironic in itself, but also because of a generalized "we need to keep that shit locked up" idea and because it's very convenient to get you to deliver noodles delivered for cheap while not thinking too much about where you'll be sleeping. You'll be earning more than what your dad earned, in any case, so you probably won't get too political -- for now. And the state controls protests very well -- for now.
>>25286259Wow! WOW! Your ideology is absurd!
>>25283420Not with than 1.0 birth rate chankoro.
>>25283458Yes we are the centre of the world.
>>25286435Is that the same Murray who wrote the bell curve? The idiot who sources his work from literal Neo-nazis?
>>2528671810/10 here's your (you)
>>25283326Was Fisher a fan of Scaruffi, bros?
>>25285523>BlackcockLel
>>25283391china is mogging the west because our leaders literally gave away our means of production, in part due to the fact that our leaders are secretly communists (of the menshevik variety) and trotskikes won the cold war. and because commies are secretly in charge, and everything is becoming shittier and gayer, that serves as evidence that communism actually doesn't work. simple as
>>25286988>There's a small group of people manipulating markets for their own personal gain and fervently maintaining these markets to funnel labor value into their holdings and thus obtain more value for themselves>But this is somehow communism and definitely not the only possible outcome of free markets + time.
>>25287129>Can't grasp the concept of a free marketYou're ngmi
>>25283326I remember reading some Fisher essays on Michael Jackson and Thatcherism in college, actually pretty good but mostly superstructural critique.It's pretty milquetoast stuff, the only explanation for the recent hatewave against Fisher is that guys like Land and Yarvin are having to confront the dismal failure of their worldviews in Trumpism and are doing so by attacking an old colleague who can't fight back.
>>25287138>Thinking a free market can exist without a power structure maintaining its freedomngmi
>>25284067Being bombarded by ugliness throughout my public life is still a problem even if I can read Schiller and Yeats for two hours in the evenings. If I need to become a hermit and live off a few acres of potato gardens to get away from the repulsion entirely (long term goal) then I‘m not sure how the existence of that option is supposed to nullify criticism of being stuck in the garbage meanwhile.
>>25286988>blames phantom commies for things that capitalists didYou aren't very smart, are you?
>>25283410Modern day china is by definition closer to fascism than communism. Funny how after they made that shift suddenly everything improved. Communism that works is called fascism.
>>25286988>The rate of profit tends to fall, which caused a recession that capitalist institutions elected to offset with offshoring and financialization.There's a real connection between center right politicians and trotskyism (Biden, Starmer were student trots, as were some of the early neocons), but it isn't the root cause of anything. There is no platonic 50's Fordist paradise that can go on indefinitely without reshoring or succumbing to class conflict.
>>25286259The bet the Chinese are making is that at some point in the future (2050s) they’ll hit the “achieve socialism” button and the government will seize all these private enterprises, end the use of money, etc. Basically instate true socialism. The idea is that by maintaining influence in the private sector today this will be easily done when the time comes.
>>25283368>>25283424The positive spin you could try and approach the current "nothing is new" interpretation of the current music landscape is that we could be heading towards an interesting mishmash of everything in a new way. Of course kids now have access to more and can easily go down niche genre rabbit holes by just navigating spotify instead of what the 00s equivalent was, which was looking at lastfm similar artists and typing them into soulseek or whatever. It's ended up with kids conflating genres that retrospectively appear similar, stuff like math-rock + post-rock + midwest emo + shoegaze all appear to be combined into one aesthetic.Whether it suits your taste or not (it doesn't usually for me) the stuff left in the wake of the hyperpop boom was interesting in that it got a lot of soundcloud rappers making some pretty wacky glitchy pop stuff, which just a few years prior were two very separate worlds. I've also seen some of those kids incorporating shoegaze into their soundhttps://youtu.be/XRnfXyEsHRIThis kid was making straight hyperpop before this. It definitely is super pastiche and it's nothing amazing, but at least it is a sort of new combo and it's coming from a kid I wouldn't expect it from. At the end of the day a lot of the biggest steps forward in the more hip/independent music world was just one thing + anotherThese kids also lack any concept of authenticity, a lot of white kids who grew up with playboi carti and shit as just the default soundscape has them deciding they can rap too without needing to prove that they actually live the life. There are a lot less regional scenes now so shit is coming from every direction.Anyway, I don't necessarily love what this all has led to so far, but I will say it's a new and semi interesting landscape and I've got some hope for it
>>25284085>serious worksSpeel the beenz.
>>25283326he got cursed with depression when he dissed sonic youth
>>25283326Unironically every leftist I've ever known has behaved as if resources were infinite and if it's easier for them to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism is mostly because they have mythologized capitalism into a nightmare they are stuck in, so they cannot think about it with a straight mind. And whenever someone like this comes to power they spend all the money and get baffled when there's none left, but it's always the fault of the capitalists, who are the evil priests gatekeeping the holy door of infinite resources. Yeah. The Latin American experience is hellish. But now it's coming for you too, Ameriniggers. We're in this together.
>>25283326Fukuyama’s End Of History for depressed leftists, and equally as debunked by the nature of time.Fischer is such a melodramatic little bitch. So we’ve had a cultural drought for the last 20 odd years, big whoop. For a man so concerned about the future it’s funny that he has such a high time preference.
