Reading through this. Is it a midwit trap? I feel that maybe most of society is better served remaining part of the herd and "free thinking" in the hands of these people produces ontologically bad outcomes for them and everyone around them.
>>25283477It’s nowhere near as auspicious as reading the illustrated I Ching
>>25283477he's talking to "higher men" not the average person -- he's explicit that most won't understand him or will reject him and only the elite few will grasp him
No, Nietzsche is an emotional mitwit. Schopenhauer is the one you read to understand the world better.
>>25283538He was talking to me btw
>>25283477It is a midwit trap only in that nietzche deliberately makes himself inaccessible to midwits. If you're not one then don't worry and keep reading
>>25283634That's the weird part. He seems so easy to understand. Are people just illiterate?
The academics exhume what they themselves buried.
>>25283477He's the GOAT of Western philosophy but you don't need to agree with him on every single thingHe doesn't just have one or two ideas that he runs into the ground like some of his peers
>>25283670Hi Chang
“Ontologically bad” is cope from btfo christfags. Free thinking is the single best thing for your being, its an essential part of reaching your telos.
>>25283477you have to read this as part of the general crisis of modernity, you have to sense what was in the air at the time and connect it to other historical currents of secularisation, deepening capitalist relations, the emerging workers' movement, the ungrounded dubious freedom of fin-de-siecle art in search of a myth. and you have to think that we're still part of that history, we're far down the path of one possible way in which it could have developed. reading nietzsche should make you think about what other options there were and still might be - as a stirring example of a humongous yet delicate mind grappling with his historical moment and looking deep into the real historical magma-currents swirling under the thin crust of his society. read it historically, is my point. what's midwit is to read everything as if it's presenting an ahistorical worldview for you to apply directly to your own life.
>ontologically bad>>>reddit
>>25283641Nietzsche wallows in paradox, irony, rhetorical/poetical gestures, intentional exaggerations to shock, etc. Not that there aren't arguments too, but when it's super common for readers to come away with some "red in tooth and claw" (whether they approve or disapprove) reading, it's a decent sign that he's effectively hidden something of himself.
>>25283641>He seems so easy to understand. Are people just illiterate?don't be so hasty to congratulate yourself. half of nietzsche is about trying to stir up a certain feeling in you, awaken dormant instincts we may not even have any longer, draw you towards an evocative image of a future philosophy that even nietzsche himself doesn't fully see. and it's very hard, takes a lot of careful aesthetic attention, to get into the right spirit, to feel the alps, the ancient world, the latent mysterious forces of our world as nietzsche felt them - and if you don't feel that you can't understand his ideas, because (as he says) the nobility of an interpretation depends on the nobility of the will doing the interpreting.
>>25283717Yes, for me. For the blue hair trans masc gender queer furry trying to indoctrinate children maybe not. Some people should stay sheep. Others should not. Nietzsche is creating a philosophy for kings and rulers that just creates self destruction in the hand of plebs.
To expound on this, I feel it's obvious that modern political theory are all primarily based on this idea of questioning objective mortality in favor of power dynamics and human desire. But most everyone can agree that society has degraded in the worst ways. On its own I think these ideas are fantastic and to be desired. But he opens by saying that ideas for everyone probably smell like shit and should be avoided, which makes me believe he never intended it to be the base of modernity as we know it. Hence, I think it might be a midwit trap.
His books just make me depressed and want to kill myself
>>25283477No. Dimwits accept Nietzsche's critique of Christianity thoughtlessly. Midwits obsess over nitpicking his historical understanding. Intelligent people glean the abstract insights behind his particular criticisms of Christianity. The existentialists and postmodernists are all enormously indebted to him and none of them pick up his Christian critique because it's not the important part of his work. As always /lit/ gets hung up on the wrong thing.
>>25284183That's not obvious at all. There wouldn't be universal declarations of human rights or notions of moral progress if that were the case.
>>25284247Prior to universal human rights, objective mortality said that there were hierarchies on humanity placed by God or some other that meant women were objectively not equal and giving them rights would be foolish in itself.
>>25284160It creates self-overcoming in everyone who reads it honestly. The degenerates hand wave it away as nihilism or atheism or whatever other bullshit. They do this because they aren’t engaging in free thinking, they’re scared of it. Free thinking means self-criticism
>>25284183He literally sets out the conditions for a truthful ethical theory. What he tears down is a fake morality, which everyone should support.
That's pretty much the nature of every egoist/amoralist/radically individualistic "do what thou wilt" philosophy. It might be pretty great to think like this and be free in your own mind, but i'd be lying if i said i'd want to live in a society where every common midwit also thinks like this. "Rules for thee but not for me" is something in which i believe completely unapologetically.
>>25287555This. It sounds great until you remember that 90% of the population are unironically sheep and they'll self destruction their lives and anyone in the surrounding area if they don't have strict rules. I've got family that are deeply Christian that have admitted they don't commit murder because God would send them to hell. Not because killing another human would feel terrible for their mental. Just because the cloud daddy wouldn't like it. These people can't be trusted to live freely.
>>25283550Schopes is pretty based but he should have studied math more instead of being an obsessive incel
>>25283477Peter asked to be crucified upside down because he did not consider himself worthy to die in the same manner as Jesus. Nietzsche went mad from syphilis, the trauma of seeing a horse beaten in the streets, or perhaps both.Take from those what you will.
