If you wrote 4.000 words a day, 7 days per week, you could write a 100 page novella in just a week, and full fledged novel in just under a month. Assuming you write at a pace of a 1.000 words per hour (this is very reasonable) it would only take you 4 hours a day. That's how much time you waste playing video games and browsing 4chan anyway.So what's stopping you?
>>25283891One fuck all aspiring writters on /lit/Second sanderson makes 1 book per month and you fags cant do 1 in your entire life, see how you were never ever gonna make it
Writing 4000 words a day is easy; editing, revising, and rewriting those 4000 words is another story. Your sentiment is nice and all but your are not addressing the issue, replacing one low effort activity with another is pointless. >but it is a first step!Not really, majority of people will look at those 4000 words and reach the conclusion that they suck at writing. Writing is considerably more than just writing.
>>25283891I think the average rate that novelists are (or were) supposed to aim for is 500 words per day, isn't it?So the average novel, 75000 words, means 150 days. That means you can write a book a year quite comfortably even allowing several months for research. That's what e.g. Terry Pratchett did.You can churn it out faster if it's not so good but I think you're really into diminishing returns with that strategy because you're competing with more people (not to mention AI now).
>>25283903Words written a day is meaningless, all that matters is progress towards the goal and some days that means you write 10k words, and some days you just read, other days you just stare at it all trying to figure it out.
>>25283907>Words written a day is meaninglessNo. Most successful journeyman novelists try to stick to a routine. It really is, roughly, so many words per day.Of course it might not always be 500. Trollope famously got up at 5:30 and put his watch on his desk and made himself write 250 words per 15 minutes until he had to go to work at the Post Office or whatever it was. I think he left at 8:30 so he did get 3000 words done per day.
>>25283911>mostYou can't support that assertion and for every example you can provide supporting it I can provide a contradictory example. All that matters is making progress towards the goal, not following someone else's process or arbitrary "rules." As far as I can tell, the only thing every writer of any worth has in common is they develop their own process, for some that means writing every day, for others it means writing once a week and spending the rest of the week preparing for a rewrite and others spend 6 months planing and then write nonstop until it is done. Also,>journeyman novelistslol. Stop trying so hard.
>>25283903(PKD said 55000 words is the needed length)
>>25283903>think the average rate that novelists are (or were) supposed to aim for is 500 words per day, isn't it?Many pulp and genre writers go much higher than that. Stephen King did 2000 words per day. Same thing with R.L. Stine who pumped a Goosebumps book every 2 weeks. Max Brand (prolific cowboy stories guy) did 4000 words per day, everyday. Asimov wrote, according to himself at least, 10 hours a day 7 days a week. Walter Gibson (guy who wrote all the "the Shadow" books) notoriously did 10.000 words per day.If you're doing genre stuff I think 2000-3000 words per day is a very reasonable goal. >>25283907This is just mythologization of the artistic process. Look up any authors name + "words per day" and you will nearly always find an excerpt from some interview where they detail their (frequently rigorous) routine. This idea that writers spend days agonizing over a blank page is nonsense.
>>25283891so, how many good ideas per hour is that?asking for a friend
>>25283922How is it mythologizing writers? the two examples I gave of spending all week preparing for a rewrite and spending 6 months preparing to write are not made up examples, Bowles and Kerouac, and I can give a great many more examples that do not follow the ideal of writing daily, I average 20 hours a week but I do it all in two days, the rest of the week is reviewing, editing, reading, research, prep work, etc.
>>25283894>One fuck all aspiring writters on /lit/Demonic anti-creativity will be purged from this earth. You're first in line.
>>25283891>So what's stopping you?Playing games and browsing 4chan is way more rewarding. I could force myself to write than novella and in the end I'd just be glad that it's over so I can go back to my brainrot activities.
>>25283932As Mallarmé almost said:Books are not made out of ideas. They're made out of words.
>>25283943It's just a tortured artist cliché. 99% of working authors that actually make a consistent living from their work treat it like a 9 to 5. None of them spend days agonizing over their work "trying to make sense of it all", there's no time for that bullshit.
>>25283960Who said anything about tortured artists? Everyone gets lost on occasion, it's not torture, just part of life.
>>25283960This. "Writer's block is for people without a mortgage" as someone or other said.
>>25283891Same thing that keeps you sucking off your dad.
Should I get a typewriter? I need to get away from my pc or I can't focus
>>25283971People don't earn a living from writing any more. You can't submit your stories to Playboy for a paycheck
>>25284074I've spent the past week focusing on my handwriting and it has made it way easier to focus since I'm very careful when tracing the letters. You could give it a try (you may need properly lined paper)
>>25283891>if>assuming
If you're writing at that rate, the quality will almost surely suffer. Even Stephen King generates a couple thousand words a day and his prose is unbearably sloppy. And that's someone with an almost clairvoyant intuition of what the market craves. Instead of stepping up the volume you produce why not focus on crafting something meaningful. Apply the effort to the quality of your ideas and the sentences that couch them. Your chances of creating something worthwhile will increase dramatically.
>>25283891Do you mean typing 4000 words? Coming up with an interesting plot, characters, arc, etc., is what is hard.
>>25283901depends I think on how much work you put in initially. I have written short stories, by default if I am thinking about it and planning ahead I average 300-400 words per hour, and it needs relatively little editing. If I have already thought about the scene or I'm just freewheeling it, maybe 700-800 words per hour, but the quality is definitely lower. I once did push myself to do speed alone, and I hit 2000 words per hour. They were all garbage.
>>25283891The creative process is endless. It just needs to be started.
>>25284262Most experienced genre authors can bang all of that out in 30 minutes. At a certain point there's only so many building blocks to work with it and the real trick is to just shuffle them around in interesting ways.
>>25284960Why even bother saying this?>the greats can do itBro, I wouldn't be complaining about a problem if I could easily overcome it. Anon said 'you', not 'the greatests'.
>>25284966I didn't say "the greats", I said experienced authors. Pulp authors used to come up with the outline of their next book within a couple of minutes. Some even spun "plot wheels" to randomly generate a plot from tried and true scenarios.
>>25283891Dont ask me how I know you are dumbass teenager who has never wrote anything.
>>25283891How the fuck do people know how many words they've written? Just count them?
>>25283922I can write cool people doing cool things slicing cars with katanas, little girls being haunted by spooky ghosts, hoes being unable to decide between two dudes as they try to maintain their career, and two people fucking for 400 pages just as well as the next guy, but I just don't think that's very productive.
>>25283891>So what's stopping you?Deciding what I actually want to write instead of just pumping out slop. I'm not writing out of some delusion of expecting to make money, so I want to make something I'm actually interested in.I want to be a writer, not an LLM chaining together generic developments and articulations until you have something qualifying as a novel.
>>25287307most word processors have a word counter. if you're writing on paper, then yeah, i guess you count it, or you have make an estimation of average words per page and then just count the pages.
