What's this weird kind of logic the author uses here? I mean it works, I can follow the argument, the logical train, but damn. It feels reversed.https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/don_draper_voted_most_influent_1.html
Every TLP essay>you want something>no, this thing is just aesthetics, it does nothing for you>why does the person who made this aesthetic want you to emulate it? you are a zombie>JUST>B>UR>SELF
>>25285704Doesn't it hit you a little bit? The reversals? like, the part of being taught what something is, how to want?
>>25285711Socrates, many a battle of words have I fought, and if I had followed the method of disputation which my adversaries desired, as you want me to do, I should have been no better than another, and the name of Protagoras would have been nowhere.
It just flows so nicely, like an autistic version of poetry
>>25285782you dont read poetry so how would you know
>>25285782Thats not the definition of Narcissist. Im getting really frustrated lately with the way we toy with language to make it more arbitrary even than it already is.I love Wittgenstein and I will always credit him for opening my eyes, but the one thing he cant remedy for me, is how people both want words to mean only what they want it to mean, but simultaneously have to call back at what a word was intended to, or specifically means in a certain context.If the use of "Narcissist" is the casual "obsessed with ones self" use. Then it lacks substance and why would somebody care? Being obsessed with oneself is probably how all great people, athletes, writers, poets, artists, whatever, become great. No, so they have to invoke the clinical use, the psychological use. Because that is a genuine disorder, its not merely being obsessed with oneself or creating a prized identity and perpetuating it. No Narcissists, clinical ones hurt themselves too, they have complexes about themselves, deep self hate and insecurity to contrast with a high sense of self which is likely a coping mechanism.But he can't reference that use. Because the standards to be a clinical Narcissist is high, its not merely a "definition" its a diagnosis to treat somebody, so there have to be symptoms that apply to you, you cant just have one of the systems, usually you need more than 3 depending on how many there are, not only that, but it cant just be a "phase" or something that happens occasionally, not only does it have to affect your social life, or your school life, or your functional capacities, but it has to be something that has occured for a prolonged enough amount of time, atleast 6 months to a year. Because like I said. Narcissism isnt just a "definition" it isnt just a quirky way of viewing somebody, real NPD is a disorder that affects your life in a way that isnt just arbitrarily how people treat you, but how you're able to operate in a conducive way to yourself.So this is my ultimate problem of languags that even Wittgenstein can't address, this blurring of meanings and use, even though theyre supposed to be contained to their own language games, their own rules, their own contexts, their own enviroments.Its actually Wittgenstein's tool analogy that most closely addresses my concerns, since tools can be used outside of their appropriate contexts, outside of their intended purpose, without even knowing the rules of operating that tool. But depending on that tool we can obviously imagine how that use is dangerous. That is how we evaluate how a use of language is good or not, valuable or not. Its still circular, its still about a set of rules, but if rules can be broken, made up, reconstructed, then if somebody who doesnt know how to operate a chainsaw tries to use it not for cutting wood. I think we can all say that is bad. That is wrong.
>>25285782>"That's not [x], that's [y]" over and over againI've noticed before that 2000s blog writing reads almost identically to ChatGPT but I never realized that the contrastive dyad thing that ChatGPT obsessively uses is also derived from being fed tons of blogpostsOr that Scott Alexander ripped his formatting off from an earlier psychiatrist blogger
>>25285803True, simple words too mean completely different things and bring back completely different feelings on different people; especially the obvious ones.In this case i read his importance of narcissism in the "stop hurting others" part
>>25285824There is a review of the book by that guy, it was fine.>"That's not [x], that's [y]" over and over againBut does it follow, or not?
>>25285803>Thats not the definition of Narcissist.The writer is a psychiatrist who writes extensively about problems in psychiatric research and pedagogy: mostly that modern psychiatry rejects psychoanalysis and cargo cults the methods of science and medicine; all the pageantry and none of the results. You quoting retarded diagnosis criteria (Why does it have to be at least 3 items on the list for a diagnosis instead of 2 or 4? Why 6 months instead of 7.5? Hint: it's not a coincidence that 6 months is exactly half a year.)
>>25286122>Hint: it's not a coincidence that 6 months is exactly half a year.)why
stopped at>would want to bewhat do they say, if you are thinking about it, then you are not it, this idea that you can be like another person out of sheer will is retarded and juvenile and it reveals how the education system has and continues to fail us, probably stems from all the consumerism we've been exposed to, both material and ideal since the mesopotamians started writing about heroes and their deeds
>>25286171They picked half a year because they're making up criteria and they wrote "half a year" as six months to appear rigorous. They're not.
>>25285711you really need to learn actual logic, little timmy
>>25285801You got me there
>>25286915Guess that's a no
>>25286808Are you the same guy that made the post replied to or a different guy?
>>25285703He's not using logic, he's using rhetoric, learn the difference
>>25285703Does LP ever have any interesting insights or are always meandering pieces that seem to apply to no one who exists in real life
>>25287113Doesn't it apply to you, the archetypes you know of?
>>25285803>But he can't reference that use. Because the standards to be a clinical Narcissist is high, its not merely a "definition" its a diagnosisThat ain't true, in a couple. The standards are not especially high, and it's not a "diagnosis" of anything, it's a description of behaviors, unlike Bipolar or Schizoid disorders, which physically affect the brain. Of all the things to complain about with TLP, this isn't one of them, he's pretty clear about NPD and the DSM and so on.
>>25287113He's not interested in sharing insights, "insight porn" and the endless desire to know oneself perfectly before changing one's behavior is a massive target for him. It’s for you or it isn't, and you'll know what that means in either case.
>>25287181I just have absolute zero idea why people on the internet, who clearly have zero education or intimate understanding with the subjects they talk about, decide to speak anyway. It wouldnt be so bad too if they were actually making arguments, but no often its just reducible to "This thing that is considered true by professionals and academics? Actually it's just not true. Its just not true because I said so. I have nothing else to substantiate, its just illegitimate because I said so.You're a retard, you understand nothing about neuroscience or psychology. The capacities to diagnose or identify anything through the brain isnt sufficient enough for any diagnosis to be more "physical" or notm You dont know what youre talking about. Kill yourself and never speak again.
>>25287201The same could be said about you, retard. You gonna cry over how badly you want NPD to be a diagnosis instead of heuristic?
>>25287209I don't know why again, a retard who has done zero research and/or understands nothing about neuroscience and what can actually be physically understood about the brain in relation to mental illness, is still replying to me as if implying "Bipolar" is more physical than NPD. You are a stupid fucking retard. And I will not speak to you again, until you learn that concepts, ideas, claims, and frameworks are underpinned by reasons, justification, and references to real world phenomena. Not made up arbitrary uses of words like "physical" and "behaviour" that any fucking retard, even a child could arbitrary use. Kill yourself. Fucking retard. So many of you worthless retards exist in this world just to say stupid baseless fucking nonsense that clogs up the capacity for anything to be understood. Its not even merely about truth, you fundamentally lack the basic understanding of the things youre talking to even debate about whether something could be true. Fucking retard. Stupid fucking society, that gives the internet where its so fucking easy to just search up something and see what reason the relevant people these concepts originate from have for saying what they say. And yet, instead we get retards just saying nothing, trusting their arbitrary judgement and nothing else alone, never having to care about anything that could even be real, because "real" doesn't need to be found, verified. Just felt, rationalized.
>>25287113alcoholics and porn addicts probably love him. plus the occasional KHHV, more obviously.
Thought about it and Don Draper is a great role model for a young man to have. Remember Sally’s birthday? Don sinking cans all day, not even pretending to be interested in anyone else at the party, leaving to get a cake, having a nap and coming home later with a dog he's just decided to get. That's what we're all aiming for every day.
>>25287218I read Kernberg and Kohut for fun. Meanwhile you're having a meltdown. Take your meds, crybaby.
>>25287244based
I mean, Obama doesn't really exist either. He is himself only influential as far as media can make him out to be.
>>25287361>Obama isn't real, he can't hurt you!
>>25287105If whole numbers, clean fractions, and abrupt discontinuities appear somewhere, then they're probably not based on empirical evidence. In psychiatry, diagnosis criteria are filled with whole numbers, clean fractions and abrupt discontinuities. There are only two possible explanations, either 1) the diagnosis criteria are vague guidelines based on the interpretation of the psychiatrist and so there is no strict definition of psychiatric disorders or 2) the criteria are strict, not open to the interpretation of psychiatrists, and are founded on nonempirical numerical values that were just dreamed up based on vibes. Either way, diagnosis criteria for psychiatric disorders are arbitrary, so complaining about people using words like "narcissistic" without confirming diagnosis criteria, nonsense, is stupid.>>25287218>we get retards just saying nothing, trusting their arbitrary judgement and nothing else alone, never having to care about anything that could even be real, because "real" doesn't need to be found, verified. Just felt, rationalized.This describes how physchiatric diagnosis criteria is defined. Look in the mirror.
>>25287218The DSM-5 (and its text revision, DSM-5-TR) diagnoses bleeding based on a pervasive pattern of blood loss, a puncture or laceration of the skin, and a feeling of faintness. To meet the diagnostic criteria, an individual must exhibit at least three of the following five specific symptoms:- Lethargy and faint headedness.- Seeking bandages, tape, or other adhesives.- Habitually attempting to cover or mask holes or lacerations of the skin.- A sudden preference for wearing red clothing.- Bouts of crying, wincing or screaming.
>>25287504Its not even intelligent enough to understand its not saying anything. A symptom doesn't need to be diagnosed for obvious reasons. Bleeding is a symptom."Look at this funny joke guys, DSM5 defines a headache as:Person saying their head hurtsPerson massaging their headPerson prescribed with head ache medicine Haha isnt it funny when I have a primitive understanding of logic so I present circularity as diagnostic because I dont understand diagnosis' I don't understand the difference between a symptom and a disorder? Because I dont understand how disorders are identified because I have no direct experience with what I talk about?"I don't really care for stupid people. They exist everywhere. The worst are the ones who dont understand what actually makes up an argument but will throw around "logical fallacy" because they've heard it before. The type of person that doesn't understand the difference between a premise and conclusion is the same type of person that cannot understand diagnosis. Because if they did, they could simply formulate the process of a diagnosis in an argument. But because theyre a fucking retard that should kill themselves they dont actually know how to prove or substanitate anything.Kill yourself.
>>25287361>influences a drone missile into your housedon't be ridiculous, buddy.
>>25287628Sounds like the kind of cope a guy who cleans toilets would use. "Everyone else who made it, unlike me, misses what life's really all about, which is why I lose my shit over that very most totally consequential shit on the internet (someone misused nomenclature), like a well-adjusted person." In the best case scenario, your life can be described: he was right on the internet, sometimes, and no one cared. Get a hobbie, a social one instead of a coping intellectualizing one.
>>25285803Good post
>>25287628You go after the weakest arguments. You are poor, dumb, and seething.
>>25287880thanks
>>25285703the last psychiatrist is a faggot with no purpose in life. compare him to pastor zuhlsdorf, zuhlsdorf has a refrain "vatican ii had no normative content" and a purpose to be the best papist priest he can be. since truth precedes honor, its hard not to respect zuhlsdorf
