Is it Time for Sun Eater? EditionPrevious: >>25278635>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgThread Question Below:
Okay this one is my actual final last chance. Everything this book does just triggers me at this point. But I need some confidence that Palmer, while a historian and academic, does not embody that age old problem where very smart educated people are surprisingly dumb when they escape their studied subject and have to engage and analyze the world from the same "blank" slate as a "typical" person.So please tell me that Palmer realizes how stupid it is, that her characters (500 years later by the way from the 21st century, which is the advent of this very idea being expressed) think actually that global access to news and information would bring people together and not splinter people into groups, and addresses that.I just cant get over how stupid this world is, and how stupid all the ideas in this world are. I get thats the point, but its stupid even beyond it being a point. Look at what I just said. We are currently living in the 21st century in real life. Everybody knows the stupid delusional hope of the boomers thinking that the internet and access to knowledge and more people being able to speak their mind and communicate with huge swaths of people would actually make everybody smarter and bring people closer...was wrong, actually countries like America are more divided than ever. Misinformation is more rampant than ever, but more importantly the internet and its lack of standard, allows for somebody barely charismatic enough (I say this because the average influencer isnt actually that charismatic, look at how boring somebody like clavicular is, look at somebody like XQC who can barely string coherent English sentences together, its not even that I think XQC is dumb, i mean hes definitely in over his head but he tries to engage with outside perspectives and thats more than most influencers do, thats probably part of some appeal desu being boring and like the "everyman") to spread a mass amount of misinformation.The whole covid conspiracy problem and the conspiracy problem in general festers off the widespread communication and access to information the internet allows.Just tell me this Terra Ignota fans. Just tell me you to came across this page, saw this, and expected a natural address from the book. And tell me that you got it. Tell me that this book at the very least has the bare desire to engage with an idea it tacitly waves at for once. Something as simple and easy to shut down as this.People 500 years later, shouldnt be believing stupid idyllic shit that we realized quickly was misguided early in the 21st century. Please tell me you care enough too about writing to want to answer me and tell me that Palmer addresses this. Tell me.
>>25285807>So please tell me that Palmer realizes how stupid it is, that her characters (500 years later by the way from the 21st century, which is the advent of this very idea being expressed) think actually that global access to news and information would bring people together and not splinter people into groups, and addresses that.You are actually, unironically, completely missing the fucking point. And the fact that you are makes me fear you're on the autism spectrum.
>>25285807You're dumb for reading sci-fi written by a w*man and your post is dumb.This is the last time I'm ever reading a post with these very recognizable screenshots. These posts are always abhorrent.
>>25285818Like, to add to this: I'm just absolutely flabbergasted that you could read this far and NOT recognize the difference. The people in this narrative are NOT the people of the 21st century. The setting envisions a world where the average person is gentler. Kinder. Better-educated. Less hardened by the harshness of the world we ourselves come from.But I'm going to stop myself there. Because when you talk about this book you bring up fucking Naruto and XQC unprompted which brings me back to my You're On the Spectrum supposition.
>>25285818Just respond to my fucking argument retard. You always do this shit where you yell at me for "being filtered" or "not getting it" while not getting my point.Actually let me just be straight up with you since you always weasel your way out of actually having to express a coherent argument or understanding of the book, while I, a goofy "filtered" retard post direct screenshots of the book, and reference direct events, and the things that led up to those events:If human beings in the 21sy century realized and and understood that a mere mass global spread of information and connection, doesn't actually necessarily bring people together. Then why is this character 500 years later, asserting a pre 21st century idea of the internet and advanced communication as if the 21st century doesnt exist? (another problem of the book constantly solely focusing on and referencing the 18th century, and romans and virtually nothing else)Tell me why that character would say these things. And if you say "Its because they live in a Utopia where they think everything is perfect and good, and that theyre better than the past in every single way and dont need to learn anything from them or their values because theyre perfect and created a better more globally united world!" then thats a ciruclar fucking argument you fucking retard and fuck you.If you actually answer ill rescind my "fuck you"
>>25285832>The setting envisions a world where the average person is gentler. Kinder. Better-educated. Less hardened by the harshness of the world we ourselves come from.Wow. I predicted the retard perfectly before my chat box covering the thread retreated once I sent the message. I cant believe this guy is that predictable.>You're On the Spectrum supposition.Non sequitor retard. I won't feed into this nonsense FUCK YOU
Based OP We are done with the waiting for page 10 shitPage 8 at most, literally no one post after bump limit
>>25285905>Page 8 at most, literally no one post after bump limitThey are scared of Screencap anon terrorizing the thread
There were 37 post after bump limit all in 17 hours, compared to the first 100 post in the thread that were made in 14 hours
>>25285919Tell them, sister. Threads are worthless if they are not spammed with as many posts as possible the second they begin!!
>>25285942Cry more, we all jumped to this thread, its a fast board no need to wait for page 10And yeah 37 post in 17 hours is disgusting why even have a general then
>>25285946>weExactly. Only one person ever disagrees with Us!
Yep add page10fag to the schizo wall
>>25285957These threads are better off without buzzword-spamming newfags like yourself.>37 post in 17 hours is disgusting why even have a general thenYou're catching on.
Fantasy needs more bugs in it. Scifi has understood this and embraces the bug.
>>25286042China also emblace bug rifestyre! And glow ralger as resurt!
>>25286042Cause bugs look alien while most fantasy beast are like majestical animals
That fuck you really ended that one guy huh
>The protagonist is LE BADBravo, Mr. Bakker. Bra-vo.
Is red rising scifi grimdark?
You mofos boring
>>25286148but akka is man with a heart of gold?
Why can't anyone make a modern book that isn't pozzed?
>>25286220You can make it, but can you publish it?
>>25286220Ill take it u a prose and theme fag? Hopefully books evolve further away for that shit
>>25286226This, just learn to write and publish It independently, be the change you want to be Anon.>Inb4 just use AI to write ItAI is the steroids of the art world, don't be lazy and just do It yourself nigger, I'll promise you'll feel more satisfied by the result, even if it's not as good as you expected, or even if it's not a success at all, trust me on this.
Is Farseer worth reading? It's like 80 hours for the first trilogy...
>>25285807FUCK OFF.
>>25286042Shadows of the Apt was pretty cool
>>25286220Read books by Larry Correia, DJ Butler, Steve Diamond, and John Ringo.
>>25286518Yes but don't ask about that series here, it will trigger certain people.
Almost finished Cadwal Chronicles by the God himself Jack Vance. First book was pretty good, second and third were kind of boring. I'm not really into investigative crime novels either so this series didn't do a whole lot for me unfortunately. He also tones down his usual writing flair a lot for these ones which was disappointing.
>>25286522y
I told myself if its less than 20 pages, I'd read the last next chapter
Am I the only frequenter of this general that hates this page-by-page analytic schizophrenic?
>>25286660Nope. But the more people complain or reply the most the schizo does it.
>>25286660>analyticcontinental*
>>25286669"Continental" meaning just how big of a fag he is?
>>25286518Yes. It's comfy and epic at the same time.
Someone post the pictures of bakker posting on 4chan, they always make me laugh
>>25286660Nope. I have actually started opening this general less just so i dont have to see this genuinely mentally ill person pretending to be part of a community or whatever the fuck. But it's not worse than the height of bakkermania, so whatever. At least, since we know this person is a genuine schizo, there is always the hope that whatever tensions this behaviour is symptomatic of will prove to be too much and he will kill himself.
>>25286660No, I'm pretty sure nobody likes him, but replying to him just gives him attention and feeds his ego, as does posting about him like he's not there. If this board had real moderation maybe he could be banned, but mods seldom ever look at this board.
>>25286925>But it's not worse than the height of bakkermaniaImagine the Elysium that would be an /sffg/ devoid of those two. And the guy who tries to disrupt conversation and shit on people who comment on the books that they have read.That RI nig took his relentless spam to /wng/.
>>25286943>If this board had real moderation maybe he could be bannedTrue because he's breaking rules that deserve a ban
>>25286220all the good books have already been written
>>25286660Nah.
>>25286660Successful hatejerk retard. Its a good thing the retards that replied to you think I stop screenshot posting as soon as I'm not mentioned or given no response. I started this before anybody responded and continued when nobody was responding, the only reason I had slowed down is because I had slowed down reading. As soon as I get to Sun Eater, the spam is going to be all any of you see. I do not care how you feel. This is not your board. This is not your general. This is not your internet. If you want to treat this place like twitter, where you can mute anybody you dont like, block anybody you dont like, an report anybody you dont like, by all means, continue to do so, continue to be a retarded mindless cog that exists strictly to perpetuate the echo chambers, and curated content mill that social media encourages, and appeals to. 4tards like to pretend theyre different from reddit, or twitter, that they can tolerate dissent better, that they dont active discourage what is simply different, or can be percieved as taboo, or inappropriate, or unnecessary. Otherwise the posturing and existence of this place is not justified. Because everybody thinks there are some things that should be discouraged. The question is always whether something can be meaningful even if inappropriate, meaningful even if unnecessary, meaningful even if "taboo" or even simply "neutral" not good, but not bad enought to be hidden, cast outside, put down.Anyway. I've been inspired. I was actually planning on taking a break from reading if my proposition about Terra Ignota had been answered, since I'd have somethinh satisfying to leave with. Some answer, some address. And could take it slow. But its clear that I need something to churn out and replace the frustrations of Terra Ignota.I will be starting and posting Sun Eater Screenshots either today or tomorrow.
>>25287269Didn't read. Kill yourself.
>>25287277His narcissistic dudebro attitude will get him killed if he keeps it up.
>>25287269How about you make your own thread for shitting screenshots in?
>>25287269You're lucky this board isn't moderated, you spammer cocksucker.
>me just now realizing the guy who had a tantrum last thread when he said there was no objective difference between reading on phones and e-readers is the phoneposting screenshot spammer
Done. Time to Move on.
Fucking finally.>>25287300"He" also keeps making the OPs.
>>25287300No, it's not me. I fucking hate pagespammer. Don't you DARE conflate me with that cocksucking FAGGOT.
Somehow all of this is because of Yev. I know it's true, I just can't prove it yet.
>>25287312Oh no, what if it is a neurotic bitch? That would be quite the twist.
>>25287316The faggot who has been disrupting on-topic conversation about book reviews for four years is because of Yev.
>>25287320Your "book reviews" are shit. SHIT!!
Every 300+ post thread is 240+ posts by a few anons (80/20). It's not always the same ones, but 80%+ of posts in every thread are by the most prolific anons.
>>25287326All are. The books should speak for themselves.
It Begins.
>>25287352Riveting commentary. Penetrating insight.Astute observation. "It begins" he says, making not the slightest attempt to say anything about the content itself.
First immediate thing to note is how kind of odd it feels, to go from one set of books with a narrator who drones on about themselves and how theyre perceived, and how bad they are, to another book that does the exact same. Despite reading 4 books of this, it never fails to feel odd. But at the same time nostalgic. I missed Too Like Lightning Mycroft, with all his warts, and flaws, dicksucking Utopia constantly telling me how epic they are while they do nothing but he a vague representation of innocent progress and change that everybody looks for a reason to hate. WOAH! POETIC...if writing was merely conjuring up fake intuitive appeals to notions and ideas, with nothing underpinning their existence. Despite all that Mycroft was an interesting read at first. They all are in the beginning aren't they? When you know nothing about the world theyre describing, the concepts they are validating without any contexual basis. And the norms they are representing and addressing.It always fails once you get to the 2nd or 3rd book. When the allure of the world and its characters fade away, and now the series you're reading had to lean on the depth of the world and characters. Not merely the possible depth teased by simple virtue of the fact that you cannot see all in the dark. So your mind makes up the sense that anything could be there, and depending on the norms your born into, it will take a shape, it cant merely be nothing, it has to be something, something thats never quite full enough to be real, but full enough to be threatening, to invoke tension and fear and experience without anything independent your mind to impose such experience.
You guys said this was a Dune copy, but Paul was never doubted as the chosen heir. Already one checkmate
>>25286220>publisher demands>women>most modern writers are wokecombination of the above
>>25287436No, the claim was lifting passages and concepts from many different books. Dune is only one of many and by no means the he takes from the most.
>>25287436Checkmate means the game is over. There can't be more than one.
>>25287436>Already one checkmateYou are such an abysmally stupid fuck.
>>25287500>>25287506I wanted to say check. But checkmate is just cooler. Also nothing says you cant have a best out 5, or a best out of how many rounds are needed.
>>25286545The charter and the grant in perpetuity?
Sun Eater made me fall asleep no cap fr fr
>As soon as I get to Sun Eater, the spam is going to be all any of you seeWHERE IS MY SPAM!?
There is too much social science in science fiction.
>>25287727I blame Dune catapulting this. It reads very modern hyper analysing it's characters thoughts and actions and how individuals change the social fabric.
Is this any good to read?
>>25287831Honestly asking, are novelizations of movies ever good?
>>25287834Law of large numbers and all that.
>>25287727That's what the New Wave was all about, starting in the 1960s.
When none of the regulars are around, there's no posting to be had.
Let this general fucking die already.
>>25287930>Americans and Euros in bed>Posting slows to crawlAnd you find this surprising?
>>25287942Thank you for informing that everyone on the west coast is asleep by 8pm.
>>25287689Im watching basketball man. Sun eater can wait. I've already read 100 pages since I started and havent read anymore for like 3 hours
>Pagespamtranny is a sportspigger
Should I read Osten Ard or Earthsea first?
Post of a book you've read that no one else here has read or heard of
>>25287962After Earthsea, Osten Ard will feel like slop to you.
>>25287727You don't talk to people very much.
>>25287968I heard it's a sad story. Surely it's Longyear's best.Shipwreck by Charles Logan.
>>25287269Retard is lonely, so lonely.
>>25287975You lost
>>25287942He's new and thinks every thread is useless if it is not actively spammed with nonsense 24/7.>>25287975HE HAS NOBODYTO CALL HIS OWNOHHHHH OWWWWOOOAAAAA
>>25287953That's 100 posts missed out on.
>>25288085I never post every page, I didnt even start posting about The Darkness that comes before until the Vulgar Holy War. I really should trust my instincts when writing that egregious occurs, otherwise I just end up wasting my time giving the author more respect than they deserve.But realistically if I was that strict for anything, id likely never experience any story
>>25288111>Egregious is an adjective used to describe something that is extraordinarily or conspicuously bad, glaring, or flagrant. It implies an error or behavior so obviously awful that it stands out in a remarkably negative wayI'm glad you understand how bad your posts are.
So I did it, I marathoned Bakker and read the first three books back to back. Long story short, this made me appreciate what a master of the craft and how much of a superior writer GRRM is. First off, the naming of things. Bakker is completely random here and as a result his world feels completely devoid of cohesion. None of the factions and lands follow a coherent naming scheme (always the case in ASOIAF) and when Bakker can't think of a name he just literally lifts something from Tolkien and changes it a bit, like Eärwa or Asgilioch, with the latter literally in the context of a border fortress between two long-warring nations wtf. In contrast GRRM's naming is subtle, artful and coherent, always following a broader scheme for the larger region. Prophet INRI Sejenus, are you fucking kidding me? Motherfucker do you really think you're being clever?Two, worldbuilding. In Bakker this is paper thin and only some surface descriptions are given. After 1500 pages of Bakker I still have no idea what the nation of Ce Tydonn is about, what are its customs or history. After 1500 pages of ASOIAF I would have not only known the history of say the Reach, but I would also know about many of its subregions and lesser lords, each one with its own rich history, and all this exposition seamlessly woven into the narrative without the need for info dumps, because GRRM is a good writer.Third, Kellhus. I can hardly think of a more ridiculous character in anything I've read over the past 10-15 years. There is a reason why this kind of character is very rare in fiction but nonetheless Bakker does it and the results are often hilarious. The fantasy Hitler is perfect in every way and instantly brainwashes people by way of fortune cookie tier utterances, completely demolishing an intelligent reader's suspension of disbelief in the process. You can really see how the climax peters out when Kellhus finally meets his father because Bakker can't really match all the hype he's spun up to this point. Really bad and jarring writing.Fourth, the story. It's literally just the First Crusade in a fantasy setting, right down to Bakker replicating the same events - the siege of Caraskand is the Siege of Antioch and Saubon is literally Bohemond. Fanboys will say this is just a backdrop for le epic retelling but its not - its all just extremely lazy writing. Much as with names, when Bakker can't think of something he just leans on existing history to propel his narrative forward. Overall, this would be a very solid literary effort for a gifted highschooler writing fanfiction, but its ridiculous to me that any publisher agreed to actually release these books into the wild. I guess it was a different era and the genre isn't really ambitious. Still, Bakker would have to self-publish his work in 2026, most likely as a web-novel.
my retelling of War of the Roses is better than your retelling of the First Crusade
>>25288189ASOIAF is called a retelling of the Wars of the Roses because there is a kingdom, and a bunch of power hungry noble houses and they all fight each other and the aesthetic is obviously English but GRRM never literally lifts real life events into his books. There never was a historical analogue to the Red Wedding, but some people got killed while being hosted by another house. Bakker literally just lifts entire events from history and repaints them because he can't come up with a unique narrative.And when he tries he ends up with shit like Kellhus totally not being crucified, but CIRCLEFIED instead. Perhaps the thing I hate the most about these books is when Bakker tries to be clever and ends up with eye-rolling shit like this.
>>25288250> Bakker literally just lifts entire events from history and repaints them because he can't come up with a unique narrative.Man, you must HATE Guy Gavriel Kay
>>25286220Read Blood over Bright Haven
Read takeshi kovacs years ago. read thin air now.Richard K. Morgan is the best cyberpunk writer there is and was. Neuromancer is overrated.
