>Religious types now feel tremendously energized because they see things swinging back their way. This is exactly the feeling that accompanies the Second Religiousness. Although it seems to suggest a new beginning, it is in fact spelling the end. It's the last hurrah before the total collapse of the civilization. The Roman empire embraced Christianity, and then it died! It was Christianity that assassinated it. So we're nearing the end of western civilization as Spengler predicted
>>25286001Quite the contrary, consult the illustrated I Ching and find out more
>>25286001Is that Hank?
>>25286001What second religiousness? The internet fashion cycle had a tradcath and orthobro craze for a bit, but neither of them were sustainable. The convertodox movement is collapsing as we speak because only men were converting, causing a dating crisis worse than the secular one. The general culture has the decline of religion continue, with a trend towards death worship like 764 and singularity cultists growing instead.I guess Islam got a shot in the arm because of Palestine and Iran, but that's not going to last either.Sex gifs.
>>25286067>tradcath>orthobroWhy are you trying to incite sectarian tension? This invites calamity
>>25286001Pretty much except it is important to remember that nobody is triumphing from it this time as opposed to the Christians in the Roman times.
>>25286078Like, Techbros want society to collapse sooner for their accelerationist "singularity" dream with their AI harems, but with no long term stable infrastructure to continually produce functional hardware it will be in vain. You can see similar conclusions with other groups too.
>>25286067Twitter is not real life or even the entire Internet. You are in a bubble of like 100k people worldwide max.
>it adopted christianty then it died...a couple hundred years later, largely due to issues stemming back to the pre-christian crisis of the 3rd century which completely fucked the empire permanently>also the people who conquered them were also christian and christian empires went on to become the most powerful in in human history why are these guys always so overtly dishonest?
>>25286091For (You)
>>25286090What religious boom do you see elsewhere? Evangelicalism and Mormonism are what people point to for modern success stories, but they are also falling apart. They are making gains in LatAm, the Pacific, and Africa but collapsing in the western world. Evangelicalism is struggling because it hitched itself so tightly to Zionism, a worldview that is universal among people over 60 but exceptionally unpopular among people under 40 because of the Gaza genocide. Mormonism, in addition to its general struggle with the internet exposing its historical and theological problems, has an extremely old and out of touch hierarchy that makes the Anglican Church look young and vital. Exvangelicals and exmormons become non-religious. The trend towards more "nones" doesn't seem to be stopping. Not atheism or antitheism, just indifference and maybe a vague sense of cosmic justice for vaguely defined bad people. Most people are just indifferent.The 764 thing is fringe, but the general sense of violent, apocalyptic racist nihilism that it represents does seem to be taking over with young right wingers in western countries. I don't think the singularity obsession is fringe, it's not just weird dudes on LessWrong anymore. Normal people are developing AI psychosis, Bernie Sanders is calling for AI to be stopped for existential reasons, and the "escaping the permanent underclass" idea is starting to catch on among normal people too.
>>25286136thanks Gemini but the topic is BOOKS lmao
>>25286140The slopocalypse is the apex of Spenglerian concept of Faustian civilization. The belief that the human will can convert space into an intelligent machine that can solve everything in existence, including art, philosophical inquiry, and suffering.
>>25286067>What second religiousness?Basically means that people will start return to religion not because its true but because society has declined to a point where most institutions we trusted have become so retarded and untrustworthy that religious institutions seem better and offer some sort of guidance in a decling culture
>>25286091>why are these guys always so overtly dishonest?Honestly requires the Truth which requires knowledge and emotional intelligence.
>>25286091>>it adopted christianty then it died...a couple hundred years laterMore like decades. Paganism was formally banned in the 390s, and Rome got sacked in 410. Then the empire ceased to exist in 476. >also the people who conquered them were also christian and christian empires went on to become the most powerful in in human historyThose Christian empires weren't Roman. Spergler wasn't saying that Christianity was le bad, just that it killed Rome.
Poignant passage from Spengler>Systematic philosophy, then, lies immensely far behind us, and ethical has been wound up. But a third possibility, corresponding to the Classical Scepticism, still remains to the soul-world of the present-day West, and it can be brought to light by the hitherto unknown methods of historical morphology. That which is a possibility is a necessity. The Classical scepticism is ahistoric, it doubts by denying outright. But that of the West, if it is an inward necessity, a symbol of the autumn of our spirituality, is obliged to be historical through and through. Its solutions are got by treating everything as relative, as a historical phenomenon, and its procedure is psychological. Whereas the Sceptic philosophy arose within Hellenism as the negation of philosophy — declaring philosophy to be purposeless — we, on the contrary, regard the history of philosophy as, in the last resort, philosophy’s gravest theme. This is “ skepsis,” in the true sense, for whereas the Greek is led to renounce absolute standpoints by contempt for the intellectual past, we arc led to do so by comprehension of that past as an organism.>In this work it will be our task to sketch out this unphilosophical philosophy— the last that West Europe will know. Scepticism is the expression of a pure Civilisation; and it dissipates the world-picture of the Culture that has gone before. For us, its success will lie in resolving all the older problems into one, the genetic. The conviction that what is also has become, that the natural and cognizable is rooted in the historic, that the World as the actual is founded on an Ego as the potential actualized, that the “when” and the “how long” hold as deep a secret as the “what,” leads directly to the fact that everything, whatever else it may be, must at any rate be the expression of something living. Cognitions and judgments too are acts of living men. The thinkers of the past conceived external actuality as produced by cognition and motiving ethical judgments, but to the thought of the future they are above all expressions and symbols. The Morphology of world-history becomes inevitably a universal symbolism.
Spengler in the 1910s predicts the future of Western philosophy being a mirror of Greek scepticism, but because we are a historic culture and the Greeks are not, our doubt of objective truth would take the form of 1., Assuming that all truth is a product of its historical era, 2., that doubting every systematic truth would boil all knowledge into the product of one singular cause, and 3., that singular cause would be genetic realities. It made sense in his time to look at Race as this potential explainer, but after world war two, genetics became a toxic idea as the post-war consensus was being written up. Had the Nazis won, we'd probably have had some kind of race realism as the dominant narrative of our civilisation. Instead, the 60s brought a wave of post-modernism that took the first two parts and put the cause up to something more broad. Violence and force and power performs the same role as genetics in explaining systematic truth without daring to declare genetics as the cause of truth through survival of the fittest. Violence and power then got expanded out into a culturally left wing point of critique in the forms of feminist and queer theory, thereby producing the form of Spengler's new intellectual era while the specific content was determined by the outcome of world war two.
>>25286001It's cringey and larpy as fuck. I unironically pine for the days of fedora tipping Douglas Adams enthusiasts.
>>25286001>Byzantium, which fell in the 1450s isn't Rome because...>it just isn't okay!
>>25286408that's right, retard. ROME is an aesthetic and way of life.
>>25286408All people with above average IQ have understood that the medieval Greek kingdom was a completely different civilization from the Rome of Caesar and Augustus. Cope and seethe.
>>25286001This applies not only to the Western world, but to the entire world. The entire world is becoming more uniform and losing its greatness and will inevitably decline.
>>25286001It is a matter of a fact that during the dawn of Christianity every other Roman philosopher was a Richard Dawkins tier atheist and the government had adopted a very POC state religion called 'Providence'.Why people blame God for having replaced Roman degeneracy with Catholic purity, I do not know.
>>25286003Why are asians like this
>>25286192Emotional intelligence?Tits or gtfo you stupid whore!!!!
>>25286001>I'm bald>this means the West is collapsing
>>25286136damn I just read the wiki article on 764. the kids are really taking this whole accelerationism thing to heart uh
>>25286136>What religious boom do you see elsewhereIslam , and it is great to see it, Alhamdulillah >>25286836trvthke
Who says I don't want "the West" to collapse?Right now, "the West" is the globohomo machine that's ruining everything, and insisting on an endless lowering of quality of life, so that we can have more feminism, and line go up. I only pray there's a decent caliber of people left around after the fact, to build something less awful.
Has accelerationism ever worked? When Western Rome collapsed it took hundreds of years to recover, their colonies in Britain and much of Continental Europe were basically post-apocalyptic, some parts practically receded to the stone age. Italy was deveatated by invasions from Justinian and then the Plague. Spain was conquered by Muslims, who could've possibly conquered all of Europe had they been lucky. In hindsight Roman accelerationism would've been seen as completely retarded, as bad as the decaying empire was things can always get worse.
>>25286001>Implying Christianity isn't thrvrenewing force that caused the West to revive after Rome's inevtiable collapseLol at ur life u bald fag.>>25286067You said this in the Hitchens thread, too, and it was wrongvthen, you stupid nigger. All the apostate boomers are dying off and slowely but surely bring replaced by millennial and zoomer converts.https://youtu.be/jJ3cWWNXBHg?si=pLStmsJfUCnSfsu0
>>25287031Where are these millennial and zoomer converts? On Twitter?
>>25286970[...] we can pause for a moment before a hypothesis whose realization would have seemed quite appealing to the Roman populations of the 5th century. Here is the premise: the Germanic nations bordering the empire at that time were numerically much weaker than they actually were; they would have been very quickly absorbed into the vast social reservoir that constantly demanded their strength. After a certain time, these families would have disappeared among the Romanized elements; then, general corruption, continuing its course, would have resulted in a chronic degeneration that today would scarcely allow Europe to maintain any semblance of sociability. From the Danube to Sicily, and from the Black Sea to England, we would be at roughly the same point of pulverized decay as the southern provinces of the Kingdom of Naples and most of the territories of Asia anterior.
>>25287031>>Implying Christianity isn't thrvrenewing force that caused the West to revive after Rome's inevtiable collapse"Rome" and "the West" are very different things. Try actually reading Spengler, you Christlarper.
>>25287098France, the US, England. Young adult baptisms are rising everywhere.https://youtu.be/LkOZ3u_URJ4?si=qp5n0pB_X1KW4hfGhttps://youtu.be/bhZXmdWuRMg?si=3hPyfvNNV6wo6-Tihttps://youtu.be/KGgxWeIVB1s?si=qtG2LGvCXj4otIb9
>>25287186Except Rome never fell and thrived for another 1000 years while the Church helped the rest of Europe out of Barbarism, Spencerfag.
>thrived
>>25286001It's amazing to see midwittery like Spengler foisted on his own paganizing petard. This whole quote is a joke.>Rome good>Christianity made it fallBoth are untrue. Also, "all things are organic and have lifespans" and "Christianity caused death of this thing" are mutuall exclusive. Either the lengths are beyond cause and effect or not.>So Christianity is badAstounding levels of mental and spiritual inadequacy.>So we're nearing the end of western civilizationIt's basically been dead. Morals are in tatters. Your average person is a social media content slave farmer. No one believes in God or truth. Men are mostly just masturbators with cynicism to prop up their intellectual fantasies. Women are in a league of biological delusion so bad it's almost scifi tier. All the while, everyone is killing their own kids and sterilizing one another to have mid sex.
>>25287198as a Muslim I wish they would return to Islam desu, but if true this is better than atheism/secularism at least. Seeing European Churches abandoned and their women walking around half naked makes me feel embarrassed and sorry for them
>>25287198>>25287098But don't worry it's all fake. It's all a reactionary show. The devil isn't real. You don't believe any lies. You're enlightened, independent. You're your own God. Who needs Christ and His sweet nothings? You have your big strong brain and 60-80 years to eat brunch and squeeze out a couple of orgasms before lights out. It's okay. Why go to church? That's for idiots. Aren't we just monkeys? It's easy, everything is meaningless and chaotic and random. Why would you quibble? How could Confession work? Isn't it just a nice release mechanism? Just one more psychology paper and we'll all be happy forever. Right?
>>25287233>Right?*blink*
